Paranoid mods...

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Sorry had to be said....some of you seem a little trigger happy:D

I'll have to get into work earlier, thread was closed by the time I read it.

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Sorry had to be said....some of you seem a little trigger happy:D

Although I put my name forward for to be one but I sort of agree.

I put my name forward to...

The mod team are here to keep the peace, especially since JB's new 'respect' rules.

Your threads have been closed since you continue to reopen closed discussions.

Guys.....its early days yet, it you are not happy with the mods, then PM them instead. that way they can fine tune their moderation to hit the balance.

Homer, i wasnt attempting to open a closed thread, if thats what it came accross as then accept my oppologies, but if i was in the wrong then surely you should have pm'd me and made me aware that my thread was deleted and why?

If Mods have the power to delete threads then they should also show common courtesy to the member whom's thread they have deleted and make them aware that it has been deleted and why.

Homer, i wasnt attempting to open a closed thread, if thats what it came accross then accept my oppologies, but if i was in the wrong then surely you should have pm'd me and made me aware that my thread was deleted and why?

 

If Mods have the power to delete threads then they should also show common courtesy to the member and make them aware that the thread was deleted and why.

Considering the content of your initial and the following posts it's quite obvious where it was heading. With something like this I'd not expected it necessary to PM since its rather obvious why the original thread was closed. It wasn't just one thread either, you posted it twice in two forums.

However your point is taken on board for future

As mentioned, few factors here.

1) JB has asked us to really keep on top of moderating

2) New mods getting used to it all

3) Given the recent threads that have lead to totally out of order heated racist comments, I'm not suprised the one in question was stopped before it got there.

i find it interesting these days, how some people can't hold a civil discussion, and just discuss things without turning it into personal attacks. as adult's surely we can talk about things openly, without it descending into chaos each time.

moderating a forum should be easy going for the most part, if everyone plays by the rules. rarely should moderator's need to get involved unless it's really serious.

recently it has not really been like that. then again, there were things before the recent 'racist' threads, that i thought should be sorted out. but i digress.

Moderator's wouldn't be chosen unless there was something there. mostly it's common sense, seeing how they handle situations, and treating others the way you want to be treated.

forum members should respect the moderator's and so long as their is common sense, live by their decisions.

everyone should be able to moderate themselves, and forum mod's are pretty much invisible if they do, they also have lives away from forum.

new moderator's shouldn't necessarily need a learning curve, they should be able to do it from day one.

on the asian music forum i only ever had to ban one person, and that was due to offensive personal attacks and he tried to put friends against one another, and was home to 2nd largest asian (japanese) music channel on IRC. had over 1000 members and 80% of them were white. have spare time atm as forum is down and looking for new hosting.

the one thing i find recently, these 'racist' threads, seem to be closed, and i agree with that. Homer has done great keeping an eye over them and stepping in but doing it in a way that is good for everyone.

but, the threads are not the problem as free speech is good, what goes to the crux of the matter is why should this be needed on a forum. as adults we should be able to discuss anything. if anyone causes a problem then sort them out, and leave people's views there, so they can make their mind's up about what was said and who said it.

self censorship is good, censorship in general should not be needed.

final thought. we are all adults here, and have made many friends on forum. that's more important than anything. can't throw things away for the sake of a few recent 'goings on'. friendship should last.

just my 2 cents

ja ne

I think you were spot on there to close it when you did...

Good call m8...

Whilst here I would just add that I am getting just a tad fed up with these pretty 'obvious' racist / non-racist threads that keep cropping up from certain individuals done basically to incite

... done to death / same old song - and should be banned before they start - this would, I suspect, reduce the moderators work by a third!

I think it's a load of ballbags, threads are closed before the majority have an opportunity to comment and they have a note on the end saying "...everyone has had a chance to comment...." - sorry guys but some of you new mods are the suxxxorz

If Mods have the power to delete threads then they should also show common courtesy to the member whom's thread they have deleted and make them aware that it has been deleted and why.

Spot on.

If this carries on the forum will be full of video clips only.

As above - "...everyone has had a chance to comment...."

Erm...NO we haven't!

The threads in question that were closed yesterday i believe were correct to be closed. I was impressed with the way the flight bombers thread did hold up well and it didnt turn into a slanging match, although it looked to be turning that way and that is what we are trying to stop. Due to recent forum language / behaviour, we are on a tough policy and a thread was put up this would be the case for the time being.

http://www.mkivsupra.net/vbb/showthread.php?t=78546

i tend to agree with points that both Paul E and michael raise.

Paul E says about closing threads, well yeah, that can be done and i agree definitely on racist attitudes, but there needs to be accountability as well. the whole topic area is getting tiresome now, as nothing is solved - just two opposing views, not going anywhere.

michael also makes valid points, that not enough people have a chance to give input, and should be allowed to.

personally, i feel people who make inflammatory comments should be warned in the thread for all to see.

maybe have symbols under the username, like 3 strikes and you are out, maybe that would stop the worst of any abuse.

Homer at least, did act last night, which was good to see from a positive pov, and he didn 't just close it.

The threads in question that were closed yesterday i believe were correct to be closed. I was impressed with the way the flight bombers thread did hold up well and it didnt turn into a slanging match, although it looked to be turning that way and that is what we are trying to stop. Due to recent forum language / behaviour, we are on a tough policy and a thread was put up this would be the case for the time being.

 

http://www.mkivsupra.net/vbb/showthread.php?t=78546

don't forget 'alleged flight bombers'. nothing has been proven yet, innocent until proven guilty.

so, are the people who post these comments in threads going to be held accountable for all to see, rather than just close the thread?

you can acutally have a 'grown up' discussion on anything, people are the ones that make or break said discussion

be back later, gonna pay my credit card bill and then fork out a few hundred to get my Supra back

ja ne

Moderate the people causing the problems, not the threads that are available for people with valid opinions to express themselves in a sensible way.

If an idiot appears in a thread about tyres and suggests running 165 profiles on a MKIV will the thread be locked or will the person in question be 'moderated' by their peers?

don't forget 'alleged flight bombers'. nothing has been proven yet, innocent until proven guilty.

 

so, are the people who post these comments in threads going to be held accountable for all to see, rather than just close the thread?

you can acutally have a 'grown up' discussion on anything, people are the ones that make or break said discussion

Sorry yes alleged, although that isnt whats to be discussed in this thread.

The infraction system is in place and is being used, I totally agree on this forum some threads can have a great discussion about things and have done in the past, but nowadays one person says something that is against someone elses opnion and then it can turn into a slagging match rather then a discussion. It's sad but true.

Moderate the people causing the problems, not the threads that are available for people with valid opinions to express themselves in a sensible way.

 

If an idiot appears in a thread about tyres and suggests running 165 profiles on a MKIV will the thread be locked or will the person in question be 'moderated' by their peers?

you hit the nail on the head. couldn't agree more. it's the people that need it, threads can be discussed in an adult way if people make the effort.

just off for a quick malletts mallett before i go

The infraction system is in place and is being used, I totally agree on this forum some threads can have a great discussion about things and have done in the past, but nowadays one person says something that is against someone elses opnion and then it can turn into a slagging match rather then a discussion. It's sad but true.

So learn to moderate people then rather than taking the easy 'one click' solution.

Sorry yes alleged, although that isnt whats to be discussed in this thread.

 

The infraction system is in place and is being used, I totally agree on this forum some threads can have a great discussion about things and have done in the past, but nowadays one person says something that is against someone elses opnion and then it can turn into a slagging match rather then a discussion. It's sad but true.

ok, just a quick response i really have to go out now.

personally i feel the infraction system needs to show results visibly. if it is hidden no one knows if any action is actually taking place on people that cause the crap thats flying

Moderate the people causing the problems, not the threads that are available for people with valid opinions to express themselves in a sensible way.

Very good point. A discussion on it's own can't be racist or inflammatory, it's a small percentage of responses that do that. Closing or deleting a topic won't stop the discussion, it'll simply get raised again and again until everyone feels they've had their say - which on a forum like this won't happen overnight.