Multiculturalism has 'utterly failed'

I was expecting to log back on and find this thread in an uproar? What's happened?

You left for a bit

I'm not really surprised by the comments on daily mail website.

Though who is to say the Daily mail haven't doctored out the comments in favour of immigration?? Really doubt that many people in the UK are that negative and stupid.

 

So really this is not an issue about immigration but more to do with the fact of Muslims in Germany\Sweden? It seems this has been the only thing in the papers for the last 10 years to be honest and it is almost like these Muslims popped out of the water recently. I have family and friends who live in Germany, some who have been living there for 30 odd years & contributed to society since they have been there (One being a teacher) and they have advised how hated they have been more recently (Apprantly wasn't even that bad 30 years ago).

 

It's funny you say that. It's very noticeable too.

It will be very very interesting when China, Korea and India become the world super powers and the West starts to really flutter.

Give it 10-20 years.

• Western factories close due to cheaper factories in Korea/China/India etc. (as is already happening)
  
• All the high paid financial services jobs move to China and India etc.as their economies get a bull market (as is already happening)
  
• All the IT jobs move to India and Asia (as is already happening)
  
• UK salaries/employment fall where similar jobs can be offshored more cheaply abroad (globalisation - which you are all already aware of is happening)
  
• More benefit reforms to the welfare system - less to the scroungers as the governments tightens down to save money (which is also currently happening)
  
• Lower unemployment in the West - as these immigrants we are speaking of start to want to look elsewhere for a better life, but
  
• salaries fall to compete with companies in India/China etc.

Nationals realise its not worth living here anymore, pay is poor...

I know,...India/China! The weather looks good there and I hear they welcome English speaking [insert occupational background here] . Their company they work for will most likely even set up a branch there and say who wants to move? 25% pay rise all around!

The first few settlers will be greeted with open arms and smiles.

Until 5-10 years later their nationals starts complaining and writing threads on Indiamkivsupra.net - "why are so many Westerners coming here stealing jobs etc. etc." House prices are now unaffordable!

And alas the argument will continue. The only difference being Abz and Septic, will be able to walk around without hassle due to them being able to "look" right to integrate into society. However those who don't look in place, will start to get hassle/dirty looks etc. etc. No-one will say it's racism, people will say its due to religion and beliefs (yeh, course it is ).

It will be very interesting to see how this thread will look in 15 years time (assuming we all last long enough to tell the tale)

It is racism let's be honest and not dance around the word. I can partially understand the reasoning from both sides. Most only see what they want to see most likely because they luckily haven't had reason to be subject to the unjust negative stereotyping, which Western media loves to show over and over.

Until the above happens and the shoe is on the other foot, I feel sorry for Muslims etc. who must endure unfair belating. I feel your pain even though I'm not a Muslim. Times will change one day. Just will depend if you are here to see it.

Used to agree with you supra_aero, but I'm also interested in the facts that because of the high-visibility of their peers in the west, the populations of India and China are gaining rights and riches MUCH faster than we did through the 20th Century.

Have you seen what property prices in urbanised China and India are doing? They'll be more expensive than over here in less than a few years. Salaries in the financial and tech industries over there are going up faster than they EVER did over here.

I used to really worry about what you're describing - I'm now more of the opinion that the far east will actually catch up with us much faster than expected, and things will "balance out". If places like China try to manage the populace with socialist/communsit politics (keeps salaries and personal rights limited), they're going to end up with a revolution on their hands!

Used to agree with you supra_aero, but I'm also interested in the facts that because of the high-visibility of their peers in the west, the populations of India and China are gaining rights and riches MUCH faster than we did through the 20th Century.

 

Have you seen what property prices in urbanised China and India are doing? They'll be more expensive than over here in less than a few years. Salaries in the financial and tech industries over there are going up faster than they EVER did over here.

 

I used to really worry about what you're describing - I'm now more of the opinion that the far east will actually catch up with us much faster than expected, and things will "balance out". If places like China try to manage the populace with socialist/communsit politics (keeps salaries and personal rights limited), they're going to end up with a revolution on their hands!

I think India and China will far surpass US/UK economies, rather than balance. I for one can't wait to see the new change of balance anyway. I am sure Abz and Septic won't mind being seen a more positive light.

I remember the days at primary school where non-European kids were embarrased to say where they were from due to horrible negative stereotypes from comics/cartoons and even blue peter.

E.g. Chinese kids all thought to be martial arts experts and China responsible for the cheap toys which always broke amongst other stupid stereotypes.

Wouldn't it be great for once that even at Primary school level they were recognised for the great things their nation were respected for. I remember Italian kids in school couldn't stop boasting about Ferrari's and Lamborghini's being Italian for example.

I'd love it if the Indian and Chinese kids for example had lots of very well respected multi national companies to boast about in class without feeling embarassed.

These negative stereotypes all start at a young age and once ingrained its very hard to remove (as we can see by the Daily mail )

If the Asian tiger economies thrive enough to put an end to these stupid mis informed views for our next generation of children, we've accomplished a lot.

I really can't wait until this happens.

I used to really worry about what you're describing - I'm now more of the opinion that the far east will actually catch up with us much faster than expected, and things will "balance out". If places like China try to manage the populace with socialist/communsit politics (keeps salaries and personal rights limited), they're going to end up with a revolution on their hands!

I do wonder if they'll keep salaries down and personal rights limited. I don't think so. I think Samsung have already proved that won't be the case as the owner of Samsung threated to move his operations to China if they weren't offered more 'incentives' to keep the company in Korea.

For those who don't know, Samsung is Korean. And are doing incredibly well financially as you all probably guessed.

I'll try to dig out the article.

You don't judge by what footy team they support? What, even if they support Spurs?

I don't understand the comment....

Erm......4 O'clock.....

H.

Thanks for your understanding Supra_aero. It's quite refreshing and heart warming to see someone understand it objectively without resorting to ingrained stereotypes as you say.

It will be interesting to see what happens 15 years down the line and I hope the changes are for the better. Only time will tell

It certainly is an exciting time for the far east. If they DO manage to keep it under control, the potential is hugely scary (for us westerners, anyway!).

I was reading an article recently that speculated with current growth rates, the number of university graduates in China in 2020 would be larger than the number of births in the UK! How's that for scale? Now how do you feel about your economy in the grand scheme of things?

Septic - "objectively", you're/they're basically going to kick our arse! :D

(lucky for me I'm not really the patriotic type!)

On the other side of the coin, if you go to Spain there are enclaves of English speaking expats, who drink at the english themed pub and drink english beer and keep themselves to themselves away from "Johnny Foriegner".

 

IBTL

Not just Spain my friend. Even on this small rock we have the same. Very sad really

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On the other side of the coin, if you go to Spain there are enclaves of English speaking expats, who drink at the english themed pub and drink english beer and keep themselves to themselves away from "Johnny Foriegner".

 

A fact all to often forgotten.

Edited as CJ has made the point.

I got confused by this country... A conservative Prime Minister stated that there was no such thing as society, the next thing we know a new Conservative Prime Minister is pushing the big society concept. How does that work?

He said we were having a referendum on Europe, what happened there? I am beginning to wonder if some of these politicians tell porkies.....

Lol Snooze I don't see it as a us vs them kind of scenario. I mean if I got a job in South Korea I would snap it up immediately. I'm not the patriotic type either but obviously I would be concerned about how the economic climate affects the U.K because of my attachment with the country.

I think its obvious that the issue of Multiculturalism doesn't operate in a:tongue: vacuum; there are a wide variety of factors that determine a person's stance on things. Some members on here clearly have very little tolerance for a certain group of people but ultimately that says more about them than it does about any particular group of people. For me, multiculturalism is, prima facie, a great thing but obviously concerns are definitely raised when regarding issues such as immigration etc.

I can honestly put my hand on my heart and say I have no problem with any group of people from any faith/country etc. I have friends from all over the globe. In fact I'm going to make a list of friends from different countries (not Xbox mates before anyone says!):

America, Belgium, China, Italy, Spain, Germany, Ghana, India, Pakistan, U.K (obviously), Kenya, Japan, The Philippines, Bangladesh, Iran, Israel (yes this surprises me too!) Morocco, Jamaica, Somalia (God help me), Middle East, Ireland, Thailand, Nepal, Sri Lanka, Australia, Poland, Turkey, Armenia and more probably but I can't remember.

Holy shiznits! Even I didnt realise the list would be that big! I ended up having to think of a country and then ascertaining whether my friends are from there! No doubt I've missed some obvious countries but oh well.

Flipping heck. Go on Paul, call me a racist!

Have I missed anything ?

Have I missed anything ?

Even if you have I'm sure it'll be summarised in your Daily Mail tomorrow in their usual hate-filled, ill-informed, knee-jerk, scaremongering manner.

HTH.

Even if you have I'm sure it'll be summarised in your Daily Mail tomorrow in their usual hate-filled, ill-informed, knee-jerk, scaremongering manner.

LMAO, you wait til I'm a mod mate

LMAO, you wait til I'm a mod mate

I like your...hopefulness

I tried multiculturalism last night. I bought a chicken pathia from the local curry house then got a special fried rice from the Chinese further down.

Bloody lovely.

Joking aside we're all human. Life is hard enough without hating each other. I really never understood any form of prejudice even as a child

I hate intollerable people

I like your...hopefulness

Not applied but it would liven things up on here don't you agree?

Or intolerant?

Or intolerant?

yes, I knew the word was wrong but couldnt find the right word on dictionary.com. I failed, I shall now castigate myself...and lets hope I spelt that one right.

yes, I knew the word was wrong but couldnt find the right word on dictionary.com. I failed, I shall now castigate myself...and lets hope I spelt that one right.

I bought a nice italian suit because the doctor said I was important!

....but it would liven things up on here don't you agree?

Ja vol mein fuhrer

Ja vol mein fuhrer

You have not gone far enough to the right