Glasgow Airport

http://www.theregister.co.uk/2007/06/29/more_fear_biscuits_please/

 

the above just about summed it up for me...

Why?

Good Find...

Why?

Is your skepticism caused by your beliefs, or for some other reason?

Why do you feel that there is some great conspiracy?

I can, in a way, understand why there is cynicism about the timing of events, but the erosion of civil liberties as a result of this Government's legislation effects everybody not just a small section of our society. The fight is against terrorists, not Muslims.

Indeed. It was more of a response the wkdtime's post, saying that "most of us muslims are like that". I would suggest most of any other religion are like that too, it's kinda missing the point though.

 

Not that I care.

So far the point that seem's be floating accross by some members is that all muslims are terrorist's (But 'oh no' they don't quite say it like that...but none the less it's quite obvious what they actually mean).

Is that the point you were refering to?

I was saying in my previous post what you thought was pretty obvious judging by your post, but some people choose to look past this.

The fight is against terrorists, not Muslims.

Try drilling that into the head's of a few people who have subscribed to this thread.

. The fight is against terrorists, not Muslims.

Great quote!!

H.

So far the point that seem's be floating accross by some members is that all muslims are terrorist's

Some people seem to believe that, others just seem to think that all terrorists are muslims.

I overheard someone saying that ETA is a muslim group the other day.

No matter where the threat comes from or the reasons behind it there will always be plenty of scope for odd thoughts, it's human nature and it's usually the really bizarre opinions that get the spotlight.

http://www.theregister.co.uk/2007/06/29/more_fear_biscuits_please/

 

the above just about summed it up for me...

Shit stirring tw@ is just trying to stir up trouble again.

So far the point that seem's be floating accross by some members is that all muslims are terrorist's (But 'oh no' they don't quite say it like that...but none the less it's quite obvious what they actually mean).

 

Is that the point you were refering to?

 

I was saying in my previous post what you thought was pretty obvious judging by your post, but some people choose to look past this.

Try drilling that into the head's of a few people who have subscribed to this thread.

I understand where you are coming from. Personally I cringe everytime I see one of these threads start on the forum. Time and again I see it descend from a question relating to current affairs into something that really doesn't belong here. Quite frankly some members views are so narrow minded and prejudiced and I'm not just talking about this thread but attitudes in general.

There is nothing wrong with a healthy adult debate about current affairs however some posters in these threads seem unable to do so.

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I understand where you are coming from. Personally I cringe everytime I see one of these threads start on the forum. Time and again I see it descend from a question relating to current affairs into something that really doesn't belong here. Quite frankly some members views are so narrow minded and prejudiced and I'm not just talking about this thread but attitudes in general.

 

There is nothing wrong with a healthy adult debate about current affairs however some posters in these threads seem unable to do so.

 

So I'll take this opportunity to remind members about the club rules about posting on this clubs forum:

 

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The owners of The mkiv Supra Owners Club reserve the right to remove, edit, move or close any thread for any reason. No refunds will be given to anyone banned from the forum for disregarding these rules.

 

Of late I have seen posts that breach these rules. We try our best to be fair with our moderating, allow people their say, and not be too heavy handed.

 

This isn't aimed at any one individual, but we walk down a two way street here, so lets keep it civil, and informed and think carefully before you press the submit button.

 

Thankyou.

I salute you, well said!

So far the point that seem's be floating accross by some members is that all muslims are terrorist's (But 'oh no' they don't quite say it like that...but none the less it's quite obvious what they actually mean).

I haven't seen anyone saying that, in anyway shape or form, either reading it normally or between the lines, or reading it backwards in a mirror for any evil messages. It doesn't seem obvious to me, perhaps you are part of the problem?

That's not to say some members don't appear to be airing racist tendencies though...

I haven't seen anyone saying that, in anyway shape or form, either reading it normally or between the lines, or reading it backwards in a mirror for any evil messages. It doesn't seem obvious to me, perhaps you are part of the problem?

 

 

That's not to say some members don't appear to be airing racist tendencies though...

I wasn't refering to this specific thread, sorry I should have made that clear...my bad!

I could so easily copy and paste comment's from previously discussed thread's that would back up what im saying, but that would be really childish now wouldn't it?

Sorry to be part of the problem, if that is what I am.

I was'nt refering to this specific thread, sorry I should have made that clear,

 

I could so easily copy and past quotes from members that would back up what im saying, but that would be really childish now would'nt it?

Ah I thought you were referring to this thread. In other threads then quite possibly but then I don't read everything.

... seem's be floating accross by some members is that all muslims are terrorist's ...

Where exactly did you see this sweeping generalisation?

If I were a muslim guest in a non-muslim country I'd be doing my best to behave better than the locals.

Simple events that wouldn't even make the local papers would become massive headlines if one of my family members/community were involved. That's human nature, negatives, faults and accidents stick to our mind a lot more than positive events.

I don't see why any muslims would think any differently, it is only rational and self-serving to behave like this.

That's one of the reasons why I don't buy this 'terrorist' propaganda. Defacating on one's doorstep is bad practice.

The very careful wording by the media is another indication that all is not what it seems.

 

If I were a muslim guest in a non-muslim country I'd be doing my best to behave better than the locals.

Simple events that wouldn't even make the local papers would become massive headlines if one of my family members/community were involved. That's human nature, negatives, faults and accidents stick to our mind a lot more than positive events.

 

I dont see my self as a muslim guest here in Britain, I have 4 generations that have all grown up here in Britain, my family and I respect the law's and tradition of this country, we have white neighbours who we treat like family and invite to all sort's of thing's ranging from wedding partie's to religous celebration's.

Most if not all fellow muslim's I have come accross treat this country like I do.

We cringe when we see an attempted bombing etc..and it truns out to be Asian's, Muslim's, people shouting 'Allah', because we know what come's next.

When we see C***S that carry out these atrocities, we would like to do nothing better than to tourch the f***ers, but the misconecption can seem to be that we sympathise with them.

We as fellow muslim's can't stop them or control them or even have an effect on them, in the same way parent's or society will have little effect on racist people with extreme racist views. Yes the two are very different in many ways, but both have one similarity...twisted and bent views that can neither be changed or stopped.

I'll fight for both my beleif's and for my tradition, that means for Islam and for this Country.

I dont see my self as a muslim guest here in Britain, ....

.....

...I'll fight for both my beleif's and for my tradition, that means for Islam and for this Country.

Sorry, but I am not sure I fully understand here, and it's not just the abundance of apostrophes.

Sorry, but I am not sure I fully understand here, and it's not just the abundance of apostrophes.

Well to paraphrase him then, the way I see it is, that he'll stand up for his religious beliefs (Islam) and from what I see he's proud to be British. I don't see that being a paradox.

Sorry, but I am not sure I fully understand here, and it's not just the abundance of apostrophes.

Erm, you want me to try in crayon?

Also, they're not apostrophies, they're full stop's.

Here's the breakdown,

"I dont see my self as a muslim guest here in Britain, ...."

The above was a reply to what you had said in your earlier post about muslim guest in a non muslim country.

"I'll fight for both my beleif's and for my tradition, that means for Islam and for this Country"

The above should be pretty much self explanitory to any one with average language skills, I'll make it sound simpler, "I'll fight and stand by my religion and would also fight and standby this country with out a doubt" and No the two belief's do not clash.

HTH

That's nice, but I still don't see where that sweeping generalisation lies.

Instead of a link to that (offending) post, this is becoming personalised for a specific member.

There is no need for that.

...so to recoup, where is this reference to all muslims are terrorist's ?

...so to recoup, where is this reference to all muslims are terrorist's ?

http://www.mkivsupra.net/vbb/showpost.php?p=1484967&postcount=77

Glad to be of service.

The fight is against terrorists, not Muslims.

The problem with wars is when there are a group of poeple who are from a certain background people generalise all of them!

For instance, during WW2 im sure people just didnt say, i hate Hitler and the German army but the people are good.

Everyone gets drawn in if they are tied to the others unfortunately its just the way it is.

Guys, I fail to see anything like that sort of generalisation.

Was it there but was retracted then?

In any case it would be an idiotic thing for anyone to claim, so why would it matter anyway?

That's nice, but I still don't see where that sweeping generalisation lies.

 

Instead of a link to that (offending) post, this is becoming personalised for a specific member.

There is no need for that.

 

...so to recoup, where is this reference to all muslims are terrorist's ?

Geez,

Post 85, paragraph 2 will answer why I have not posted a link.

The offender did not say 'All muslim's are terrorist's' as such, why dont you re-read my post and tell me where did I say that they said exactly that? What I did say was that, that is what they implied.

The minute I try and defend my belief's im acused of taking this personally.

I give up, think what ya like.

Isn't it a bit odd how suddenly a new PM is in power, and there is a sudden uprise of attacks...

 

Not that I'm cynical or anything, but is it all possible there is a connection with these two things. It would certainly give the PM a good start to tighten up things and ramp up some military activity. This sort of black ops wouldn't be a first time would it...

 

(Adds another conspiracy theory to the list) *grin*

I thought that too. isn't the PM trying to get the 90 day detention through at the moment

..The minute I try and defend my belief's im acused of taking this personally..

Why would you think that there is a need for you to defend your beliefs or anything else?

Nobody is accusing you of anything either, where did that come from?

Why do you even think that people are talking about you?

If someone were to make a misinformed, generic comment I wouldn't try to be offended. In fact I might feel sorry for him and his upbringing as well.

Try being a bit detached. There is a whole different agenta here and you're focusing on the diversion

Just got back from Corfu, flew from Brum, to be fair they had a fair few Police outside and wouldnt let anybody drive near the front doors.... but I felt it wasn't any different from usual with all the checks etc... very relaxed attitude from the staff concidering the last few days antic's!

Why would you think that there is a need for you to defend your beliefs or anything else?

 

Nobody is accusing you of anything either, where did that come from?

 

Why do you even think that people are talking about you?

 

If someone were to make a misinformed, generic comment I wouldn't try to be offended. In fact I might feel sorry for him and his upbringing as well.

 

Try being a bit detached. There is a whole different agenta here and you're focusing on the diversion

I'll go and bury my head in the sand