Paranoid Public

i dont agree with it, but by sounds of it they were fiddling under their chairs. Im no racist but that would make me question what they were doing or about to do. There is no reason to fiddle under a plane seat unless you want your life jacket.... PERIOD!

Devils advocate:

A day trip to Malaga - WTF?

Mike

I wasn't going to bother with this, but seeing as you've posted up another one of these themes, this landed in my inbox today.

Make of it what you will.

A GERMAN THOUGHT

 

If any of you still feel that this war on terror is a mistake, here is an opinion from an unexpected source. This is not a problem that is going to be easy to solve. It is the struggle to maintain our Western way of life and the very culture that has made it possible. Lose this one, and our grandchildren may be speaking Arabic, those of them that survive the "conversion".

 

Look at what has been happening in Europe the last couple of weeks. For all practical purposes, they won Spain without any effort on their part other than a couple of bombs in public places. Now they are burning Paris and hitting on Holland and Belgium.

 

Better get serious, very, very serious!

 

It's fascinating that this should come out of Europe. Mathias Dapfner, Chief Executive of the huge German publisher Axel Springer AG, has written a blistering attack in DIE WELT, Germany's largest daily paper, against the timid reaction of Europe in the face of the Islamic threat. This is a must-read by all Americans. History will certify its correctness.

 

 

EUROPE - THY NAME IS COWARDICE

 

(Commentary by Mathias Dapfner CEO, Axel Springer, AG)

 

A few days ago Henry Broder wrote in Welt am Sonntag, "Europe - your family name is appeasement." It's a phrase you can't get out of your head because it's so terribly true.

 

Appeasement cost millions of Jews and non-Jews their lives, as England and France, allies at the time, negotiated and hesitated too long before they noticed that Hitler had to be fought, not bound to toothless agreements.

 

Appeasement legitimized and stabilized Communism in the Soviet Union, then East Germany, then all the rest of Eastern Europe , where for decades, inhuman suppressive, murderous governments were glorified as the ideologically correct alternative to all other possibilities

 

Appeasement crippled Europe when genocide ran rampant in Kosovo, and even though we had absolute proof of ongoing mass-murder, we Europeans debated and debated and debated, and were still debating when finally the Americans had to come from halfway around the world, into Europe yet again, and do our work for us.

 

Rather than protecting democracy in the Middle East, European Appeasement, camouflaged behind the fuzzy word "equidistance," now countenances suicide bombings in Israel by fundamentalist Palestinians.

 

Appeasement generates a mentality that allows Europe to ignore nearly 500,000 victims of Saddam's torture and murder machinery and, motivated by the self-righteousness of the peace movement, has the gall to issue bad grades to George Bush ... Even as it is uncovered that the loudest critics of the American action in Iraq made illicit billions, no, TENS of billions, in the corrupt U.N. Oil-for-Food program.

 

And now we are faced with a particularly grotesque form of appeasement. How is Germany reacting to the escalating violence by Islamic Fundamentalists in Holland and elsewhere? By suggesting that we really should have a "Muslim Holiday" in Germany?

 

I wish I were joking, but I am not. A substantial fraction of our (German) Government, and if the polls are to be believed, the German people, actually believe that creating an Official State "Muslim Holiday" will somehow spare us from the wrath of the fanatical Islamists.

 

One cannot help but recall Britain's Neville Chamberlain waving the laughable treaty signed by Adolph Hitler and declaring European "Peace in our time".

 

What else has to happen before the European public and its political leadership get it? There is a sort of crusade underway, an especially perfidious crusade consisting of systematic attacks by fanatic Muslims, focused on civilians, directed against our free, open Western societies, and intent upon Western Civilization's utter destruction.

 

It is a conflict that will most likely last longer than any of the great military conflicts of the last century - a conflict conducted by an enemy that cannot be tamed by "tolerance" and "accommodation" but is actually spurred on by such gestures, which have proven to be, and will always be taken by the Islamists for signs of weakness. Only two recent American Presidents had the courage needed for Anti-appeasement: Reagan and Bush.

 

His American critics may quibble over the details, but we Europeans know the truth. We saw it first hand: Ronald Reagan ended the Cold War, freeing half of the German people from nearly 50 years of terror and virtual slavery. And Bush, supported only by the Social Democrat Blair, acting on moral conviction, recognized the danger in the Islamic War against Democracy. His place in history will have to be evaluated after a number of years have passed.

 

In the meantime, Europe sits back with charismatic self-confidence in the multicultural corner, instead of defending liberal society's values and being an attractive center of power on the same playing field as the true great powers, America and China.

 

On the contrary - we Europeans present ourselves, in contrast to those "arrogant Americans", as the World Champions of "tolerance", which even (Germany's Interior Minister) Otto Schily justifiably criticizes.

 

Why? Because we're so moral? I fear it's more because we're so materialistic, so devoid of a moral compass.

 

For his policies, Bush risks the fall of the dollar, huge amounts of additional national debt, and a massive and persistent burden on the American economy - because unlike almost all of Europe, Bush realizes what is at stake - literally everything.

 

While we criticize the "capitalistic robber barons" of America because they seem too sure of their priorities, we timidly defend our Social Welfare systems. Stay out of it! It could get expensive! We'd rather discuss reducing our 35-hour workweek or our dental coverage, or our 4 weeks of paid vacation .. Or listen to TV pastors preach about the need to "reach out to terrorists. To understand and forgive".

 

These days, Europe reminds me of an old woman who, with shaking hands, frantically hides her last pieces of jewelry when she notices a robber breaking into a neighbor's house.

 

 

Appeasement?

There is no reason to fiddle under a plane seat unless you want your life jacket.... PERIOD!

The guy said that he was looking at the food menu.

I got stopped in Chicago for 3 flippin hours....they werent happy with Her Magesty's Passport print quality -

thought it was forged

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asked for my driving license

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made me wait 3 hrs

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werent happy with the fact that I have been to turkey and dubai (imagine if they had seen my previous passport - lol)

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then asked me whether i had a bank account in the US

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whether i worked in the US

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whether i had a social security number

Then they let me go.....

I work for an american company, freq travel to the US on business. went there for the annual sales meeting so I was with colleagues, the tossers embarassed me in front of my peers.

Talk about an over-reaction.....pathetic.

The guy said that he was looking at the food menu.

but since when has the food menu been kept under the seat

Unfortunatly mate, you probably are gonna have to put up with it for a while Unfortunatly the colour of your skin is the first sign as such of a terriost isnt it. What i mean is first the public see's generally (on TV, Pics in newspapers)

If there is ever a white bomber then it will blow that out the water and anybody stopped then just because of how they look may be racially started.

hmmm strange that looking under the seat was enough to scare so many passengers. Even more strange that they thought it was funny.

but since when has the food menu been kept under the seat

 

Unfortunatly mate, you probably are gonna have to put up with it for a while Unfortunatly the colour of your skin is the first sign as such of a terriost isnt it. What i mean is first the public see's generally (on TV, Pics in newspapers)

 

If there is ever a white bomber then it will blow that out the water and anybody stopped then just because of how they look may be racially started.

He never said that he looked UNDER THE SEAT.....

apparently some 12yr old girl started crying (probably because her ignorant chavvy racists parents have been feeding her with all this proporganda crap) - the entire family walked out of the plane, causing unrest and the captain decided to give these two INNOCENT lads their marching orders.

They said that they heard the guys speaking Arabic, while they were actually speaking urdu / punjabi - talk about jumping the gun.

Modern day Racism.

He never said that he looked UNDER THE SEAT.....

"The minute they got on [the plane] they started going under the seats and messing."

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Fail to see why it's racist though? These two guys were acting strangely according to witnesses and therefore they were reported and dealt with. What's the problem with that?

The only people that put the label of 'racism' to this are probably the guys themselves because they want to earn a few quid with newspaper exclusives or others with a chip on their shoulder about the UK and the way we live and run our country who are forever whinging everytime someone with an ethnic background gets pulled up for something.

All imo of course

Paul

He never said that he looked UNDER THE SEAT.....

 

apparently some 12yr old girl started crying (probably because her ignorant chavvy racists parents have been feeding her with all this proporganda crap) - the entire family walked out of the plane, causing unrest and the captain decided to give these two INNOCENT lads their marching orders.

 

They said that they heard the guys speaking Arabic, while they were actually speaking urdu / punjabi - talk about jumping the gun.

Modern day Racism.

unfortunatly we werent there and no cameras so we will never know what they did or didnt do.

I wouldnt say it racism as such. Its because Children and too a degree adults see terrosim associated with how a person looks, you cant blame a child for getting upset, its then parental instincts to look after your child.

Unfortunatly alot of muslims are suffering because of a minority. This is gonna be a bad example, but some drivers speed so we are all punished with speed cameras and police doing veichle checks even if your fully legitimate.

Like i said not best example but you get my point, its the world we live in.

Can I ask just how many of the club members pop over to Southern Spain for a day-trip as what the article stipulates.

I've heard of one-day booze trips to France but not sure what you get out of a 1-hour trip to Spain!! :blink:

Amanda Dunleavy from Bolton, who was on the flight, said the pair aroused suspicion because of the way they acted when they were queuing.

She said: "They queued up for a good 40 or 50 minutes and then wandered off. They kept coming back, standing very, very close to people, intimidating them.

I think the bitch is lying......I think she and others over-reacted. I watched their interview on Newsnight and they came across as regular guys...nothing sinister about them.

He explained that the reason why they left the cue is because they thought they were in the wrong one only later on they realise that wasnt the case.......oooh.....terrorist alert

moreover, they were cleared by the spanish security.

racism cause they were asian so automatically associated with terrorism...if that isnt racism then what is?

Can I ask just how many of the club members pop over to Southern Spain for a day-trip as what the article stipulates.

 

I've heard of one-day booze trips to France but not sure what you get out of a 1-hour trip to Spain!! :blink:

I agree - see post number 3

Mike

Don't see how thats racist IMHO, IMO this is where some of the arguements start people saying its racist just for the hell of it, and beofre someone spits the dummy out the pram and jump on what I said let me clear up that I feel sorry for the asian people how they are getting labeled, but that BBC news brief that was posted was no where near racist.

racism cause they were asian so automatically associated with terrorism...if that isnt racism then what is?

Im a young guy in a sporty car, i get stopped because i must of stole it or not be fully legal. Yes its not right, but one time someone steals my car ill be glad they stopped the person.

Same with someone getting on a plane who looks muslim acting suspicous, the one day they say ok been to much in news we will let them do through and they blow a plane up. Gonna be a nightmare then everywhere!

I feel sorry for Muslims who are not involved with this because it is being labelled and isnt fair but i do think peoples safety coems first as some people are out there to hurt people.

This is gonna be a bad example, but some drivers speed so we are all punished with speed cameras and police doing veichle checks even if your fully legitimate.

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Very poor example

we all know that drivers are easy targets...REVENUE

speeding doesnt kill, inappropriate speeding for the conditions does.

"I think the bitch is lying......I think she and others over-reacted. I watched their interview on Newsnight and they came across as regular guys...nothing sinister about them."

WHY? What on earth gives you that impression? YES the black, musilms are going to be looked at more closely than the british white man... that's due to the muslims doing the bombings in the first place. YES it's wrong to stereotype (I've got plenty of muslim mates who understand what's going on) but ffs this is becoming a joke

Same with someone getting on a plane who looks muslim acting suspicous,........ .

Buddy, there is no such thing as LOOKS MUSLIM....

you should know that by now...

if you say ASIAN, then its racism.

Very poor example

 

we all know that drivers are easy targets...REVENUE

 

speeding doesnt kill, inappropriate speeding for the conditions does.

How was my 2nd example of young guy in sporty car lol

'Chavy racist parents' , 'bitch' ....................chip on shoulder I would suggest;)

It seems you're looking for things to suit your own way of thinking and perception of the situation?

Sounds like your trip wasn't as smooth as you hoped Imi

They said that they heard the guys speaking Arabic, while they were actually speaking urdu / punjabi - talk about jumping the gun.

Modern day Racism.

It's a difficult time for Asian's (Pakistani persons mainly) and I fully sympathise. Unfortunately the 9/11, 7/7 bombings, current middle east situation, 'war on terror' and media sensationalism mean that people like yourself are going to be targeted.

IMO, the best thing to do is hold you head high and put up with what’s going around right now (incredibly difficult I know). The worse thing to do is react in public anger - those that protested in London after the Danish cartoon incident caused possibly the most damage to ‘Muslim’ relations since the 7/7 bombings.

Buddy, there is no such thing as LOOKS MUSLIM....

 

you should know that by now...

 

if you say ASIAN, then its racism.

I didnt wana say Asian as like you said it would come across racist (not me but you know what i mean)

Its a tricky one,its like a mine field and theres no way out

Can I ask just how many of the club members pop over to Southern Spain for a day-trip as what the article stipulates.

 

I've heard of one-day booze trips to France but not sure what you get out of a 1-hour trip to Spain!! :blink:

for ciggerette runs, yes.

How was my 2nd example of young guy in sporty car lol

I agree with the 2nd example...dont tell me you look like a kid.....

If u do, then i'd stop you myself cause your spoiling the image of a supra...took me flippin 26 yrs to afford to own and maintain one....kids like you make me sick.