Paranoid mods...

Well we've been discussing this and will try to satisfy you all by making the following changes.

We will attempt to leave threads running for as long as possible and will moderate the people causing the problem in a thread rather than locking or deleting the thread. This should be easier now we have the infractions system. This new system will also mean repeatedly troublesome members are dealt with (in other words given a temporary ban leading to a permanent ban) much sooner than when we were doing it manually.

If we deem a single post unsuitable then we will edit the post rather than deleting it, stating why it's been edited. An automatic PM will be sent when a post is edited telling you why. An infraction may also be given if deemed necessary, and again an automatic PM will be sent if this is the case.

If there are many posts which are a problem then we will delete the posts and then reply to the thread stating why and asking people to behave. An automatic PM will be sent stating that the posts have been deleted and why. And again individual infractions will be issued if particular members deserve it.

If we see a thread that is heading towards becoming a problem, or one which we have already had to moderate, then we may lock the thread if it is late and unlock it again when there are some moderators online. A final post will be made be the moderator stating what is going on. In these circumstances please do not start another thread to continue the discussion as that will result in an infraction being issued.

If, by the time we get to a thread, it has gone beyond the point of no return and would require a moderator to send more than a minute tidying it up, then the thread will be locked. We will not delete these threads unless there are legal reasons behind doing so. After the thread is locked the moderator will post to it explaining why, unless it is obvious. Although I will ask the moderators to still reply to the thread so you have a point of contact should you consider the decision to be grossly wrong. An automatic PM will be sent to the thread creator when their thread is locked, and a short reason will also be included. If a moderator then checks back through the thread and finds one particular member to be the cause of the problem, an infraction will be issued.

We intend to use the infractions system fully now we have it. It's worth noting that the infraction system can issue warnings too, and these will be used where people are starting to get out of hand but haven't warranted a real infraction yet.

Please do not flame any moderator on this forum because you disagree with their decision. Their decision is final, but if you wish to discuss that decision then please PM them in a civilised manner. Abusive or threatening PMs towards a moderator will get you an instant ban. If after contacting a moderator you are still not happy, then contact me. If it's me you have the problem with then tuff! No seriously, if you disagree strongly with a decision I've made then contact Supragal and she will deal with it.

I've said it before but I'll say it again. You are all adults here, you know exactly what you're allowed to do and what would be classed as pushing your luck without the need for it in writing. It will be a very sad day if we ever have to set out 101 rules of exactly what you can and can't do because people are unable or unwilling to use common sense when posting here.

Right. Now just bloody hurry up and authorise the HID group buy!

Please do not flame any moderator on this forum because you disagree with their decision.

But can we flame them because we just don't like them?

Abusive or threatening PMs towards a moderator will get you an instant ban.

Oh crap.

edit: ah only PM's, that's ok

But can we flame them because we just don't like them?

 

 

 

Oh crap.

 

edit: ah only PM's, that's ok

im watching you

Furthermore, I have now made it possible for people to be banned from individual threads. If a member causes a problem in a thread and the infraction given does not ban them completely anyway, then we will use this option to ban them from the thread allowing everyone else to continue posting to it.

A word of warning though, creating a new account to gain access to thread you have been banned from could get your account banned completely. If you would like to be unbanned from a thread then please contact a moderator, DO NOT create a thread about it on the forum.

I'm watching you

And I'm keeping an eye on you.

Well we've been discussing this and will try to satisfy you all by making the following changes.

 

We will attempt to leave threads running for as long as possible and will moderate the people causing the problem in a thread rather than locking or deleting the thread. This should be easier now we have the infractions system. This new system will also mean repeatedly troublesome members are dealt with (in other words given a temporary ban leading to a permanent ban) much sooner than when we were doing it manually.

 

If we deem a single post unsuitable then we will edit the post rather than deleting it, stating why it's been edited. An automatic PM will be sent when a post is edited telling you why. An infraction may also be given if deemed necessary, and again an automatic PM will be sent if this is the case.

 

If there are many posts which are a problem then we will delete the posts and then reply to the thread stating why and asking people to behave. An automatic PM will be sent stating that the posts have been deleted and why. And again individual infractions will be issued if particular members deserve it.

 

If we see a thread that is heading towards becoming a problem, or one which we have already had to moderate, then we may lock the thread if it is late and unlock it again when there are some moderators online. A final post will be made be the moderator stating what is going on. In these circumstances please do not start another thread to continue the discussion as that will result in an infraction being issued.

 

If, by the time we get to a thread, it has gone beyond the point of no return and would require a moderator to send more than a minute tidying it up, then the thread will be locked. We will not delete these threads unless there are legal reasons behind doing so. After the thread is locked the moderator will post to it explaining why, unless it is obvious. Although I will ask the moderators to still reply to the thread so you have a point of contact should you consider the decision to be grossly wrong. An automatic PM will be sent to the thread creator when their thread is locked, and a short reason will also be included. If a moderator then checks back through the thread and finds one particular member to be the cause of the problem, an infraction will be issued.

 

We intend to use the infractions system fully now we have it. It's worth noting that the infraction system can issue warnings too, and these will be used where people are starting to get out of hand but haven't warranted a real infraction yet.

 

Please do not flame any moderator on this forum because you disagree with their decision. Their decision is final, but if you wish to discuss that decision then please PM them in a civilised manner. Abusive or threatening PMs towards a moderator will get you an instant ban. If after contacting a moderator you are still not happy, then contact me. If it's me you have the problem with then tuff! No seriously, if you disagree strongly with a decision I've made then contact Supragal and she will deal with it.

 

I've said it before but I'll say it again. You are all adults here, you know exactly what you're allowed to do and what would be classed as pushing your luck without the need for it in writing. It will be a very sad day if we ever have to set out 101 rules of exactly what you can and can't do because people are unable or unwilling to use common sense when posting here.

thanks Mawby for clarifying the position of everyone, what they can and cannot do. hope it makes for an easier time in forum for both members and moderators.

thought i would ask a couple of points

a) in relation to infractions, are they going to be in private, or be done in public so everyone can see what is the outcome and who it was directed to. the later gives accountability and maybe make someone think twice before posting something.

b) maybe i missed the info, but are all moderators equal in day to day running of forum, or can you contact a super-moderator if someone needs to sort a problem out with a section moderator. hasten to add i don't have a problem with anyone, just seeking clarification. from my own POV, i oversee my normal forum mod's, in case of dispute or worse erupting between member and moderator.

thanks once again for setting all of the above out for all to see. sad that it needed to be done, moreso that the last paragraph was needed, when we should all self-moderate and respect each other.

The infractions are only visible to the person in question and moderators. I would have to put it to a vote before hacking the forum to make them public as some people may not like it, just as (for example) you wouldn't like a big sign above your car telling the whole world that you have 3 points on your license for speeding.

With regards to moderation, all moderators and super moderators are to be considered equal. They just have moderation powers over different parts of the forum. If a moderator makes a decision then that decision is considered final – a super moderator will not just come along and reverse it just because they don't agree with it. However, we may discuss the decision in the moderators section and then reverse it if all are agreed that it is the right thing to do.

The exception to this is if a moderator makes a decision that is grossly wrong. For example, if they have a personal grudge against someone and are using their powers as a moderator against that person for vengeance. In these circumstances it would fall upon Rosie or myself to step in and sort the problem.

thanks once again for taking time to answer my questions.

i will say this light heartedly, i know you used an example, but if i got 3 points for speeding that would be my problem, i know, and take the consequences. so if it was made public it is my fault for causing the problem. as the saying goes - live by the sword, die by the sword

i did not mean about a super moderator undoing a decision from a section moderator. i was thinking along the lines of if someone disagreed with a decision, a super-mod would get both parties together and sort it out, like an appeals process.

have not been trying to tire you out with all the questions or drag things out, as i know you do so much behind the scenes taking care of forum. glad you found some of the suggestions useful.

I do see forum moving in the right direction, in recent days there seems a lot more calmness around and 'respect' and no flaming, and appreciate all the work and time this is taking.

all the best

Ian