how effective is the emanage blue

How effective is the emanage blue in controlling ignition and fuel ? what is needed to control the ignition ?

AFAICR you can only add fuel and timing, with pretty limited features, and can only accommodate injectors up to a certain size,depends on your set up but its no match for the ultimate.

The blue will allow you to increase and decrease fuelling by altering the air flow map, and you can add addition fuel on a separate map.

You can also advance and retard ignition timing in the same way as the ultimate.

I'm still runnig a blue on mine, and it does the job alright. To me, there's not enough difference to warranty paying out an extra £400 or so to change. I'd rather pay a bit more and get a propper standalone.

Sure the Ultimate can do more, but from experience, not many people use those features.

I'm running 800cc injectors and yes, I've started to run out of scope, but I'm 99% sure that the Ultimate is the same if you rely on air flow adjustments alone.

after my experiences with piggybacks id say it depends on the car setup, signal 'fugdgers' tend to cause all sorts of problems

Spend little now, spend more later...

I'd say just spend that bit more now and do it all properly! But I'm sure you know all that

spend little now, spend more later...

 

I'd say just spend that bit more now and do it all properly! But i'm sure you know all that

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Unfortunately its the only option for auto cars at the moment. thanks for all your replies.

IMO using the airflow map on either the blue or ultimate, just causes the std ECU to mess with the ignition timing advance and retard.

Just to add, NO ignition control on UK cars, ECU uses a strange igniter feedback routine that the Emanage blue interferes with and will cause a no start

Marty

IMO using the airflow map on either the blue or ultimate, just causes the std ECU to mess with the ignition timing advance and retard.

Nothing wrong with that IMO so long as it's not causing knock. The MAP-ECU2 does fuelling through airflow adjustment and does a pretty decent job

Cheers,

Brian.

Airflow map is adjusted before the std ECU, so it will compensate for larger adjustments by adding or pulling ignition timing, so its a real PITA to readjust for these every time you make changes, and not the best way to tune IMO.

So i always use the the injector map, which is after the std ECU, so no timing changes.

Whilst I agree that it does alter the timing, I've never really found it enough of an issue to worry about.

Mine is self mapped, and being honest, I seem to play around with 'fine tuning' it all the time, but only because I have the E01 linked to it. I've attached a dyno plot fron 5 years ago. It's still running on basically the same map...

My biggest irritation is the sequential changeover point. You can see the dip on the plot. If I hit that at a medium throttle, it will run very rich and you can feel the engine bogging.

The MAP-ECU2 does fuelling through airflow adjustment and does a pretty decent job

 

Cheers,

 

Brian.

hmmm it does depend on the cars setup, i found it to be a PITA especially when running with narrowband connected. If you run huge injectors you therefore decrease the air flow reading you give the stock ecu thus lowering the load points and adjusting timing