MrDriver Posted April 2, 2009 Share Posted April 2, 2009 Hamilton disqualified!!! Trulli back on place 3... Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
tooquicktostop Posted April 2, 2009 Share Posted April 2, 2009 Hamilton disqualified!!! Trulli back on place 3... Just read this Thats it for me, I give up on F1, its a bloody farce [ANGRY][/ANGRY] Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
AndrewOW Posted April 2, 2009 Share Posted April 2, 2009 It has happened before, and will happen again. What a load of old tosh, but then again, I'm pleased its back on the BBC! Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Alex Posted April 2, 2009 Share Posted April 2, 2009 F1 isn't a farce - McLaren and Lewis lied. They should be banned from Malaysia too. That is no way for the reigning WDC to behave. Very very dissapointed in them. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
hiten55 Posted April 2, 2009 Share Posted April 2, 2009 here we go again, different season, same old FIA Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
merckx Posted April 2, 2009 Share Posted April 2, 2009 http://news.bbc.co.uk/sport1/hi/motorsport/formula_one/7978186.stm Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Alex Posted April 2, 2009 Share Posted April 2, 2009 here we go again, different season, same old FIA Hardly...This is the FIA doing the right thing. Try reading what happened before you assume the FIA/Max/Bernie are meddling in it. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
AndrewOW Posted April 2, 2009 Share Posted April 2, 2009 F1 isn't a farce - McLaren and Lewis lied. They should be banned from Malaysia too. That is no way for the reigning WDC to behave. Very very dissapointed in them. Hardly...This is the FIA doing the right thing. Try reading what happened before you assume the FIA/Max/Bernie are meddling in it. Are you on a retainer for Ferrari, or something? Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
tbourner Posted April 2, 2009 Share Posted April 2, 2009 I don't understand what happened. What did they say to the stewards and what really happened? Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Alex Posted April 2, 2009 Share Posted April 2, 2009 McLaren c0cked up... Under the safety car Trulli fell off the road in front of Lewis, Lewis quite rightly overtook Trulli whilst he was on the grass. Lewis was instructed to let Trulli back past him as McLaren feared (wrongly) that Lewis would be penalised for overtaking under yellow. Trulli (knowing the truth that Lewis should be P3) tried to let Lewis back past but Lewis wouldn't go through. Cars finished race - Trulli 3rd Lewis 4th. McLaren then appealed against Trulli saying it was all his fault and that he shouldn't have overtaken Lewis. Lewis claimed (lied) that he had not been instructed to let Trulli through, and that he was looking at his on-wheel information system when he slowed and Trulli decided to overtake. On the basis of the above Trulli was deemed to be in the wrong. But then Lewis told the press that McLaren told him to let Trulli through (how stupid). FIA read this and immediately started going back through the recordings of the pit-car radio of both. FIA found Lewis had lied and that when he said he was reading the safety information on the wheel - none was displayed! Lewis DQ'd and Trulli re-instated. Dark day for Lewis and McLaren. Sport into disprepute again. All because they didn't know what to do behind the safety car. All their own making - very very stupid. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Alex Posted April 2, 2009 Share Posted April 2, 2009 Are you on a retainer for Ferrari, or something? This has NOTHING to do with Ferrari does it...they didn't even finish! Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Dnk Posted April 2, 2009 Share Posted April 2, 2009 We'll probably see Brawn Gp kicked out on the 14th with their iffy diffusers. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Whitesupraboy2 Posted April 2, 2009 Share Posted April 2, 2009 well if brawn and williams and toyota are deemed illegal in couple weeks...Alonso won that race Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
tooquicktostop Posted April 2, 2009 Share Posted April 2, 2009 Alex, I understand what you are saying but it takes away the excitment of the race, and after all it is a race, it seems all to often the rules get in the way or are so complex even the teams get it wrong ....and they have to agree most of them !! I just want to watch the worlds best cars and drivers fighting tooth and nail to win at all cost, that I am afraid seems to have gone in the F1 sport today Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
AndrewOW Posted April 2, 2009 Share Posted April 2, 2009 This has NOTHING to do with Ferrari does it...they didn't even finish! Alright, alright. Calm down, calm down. Toyota? Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
johnny g Posted April 2, 2009 Share Posted April 2, 2009 McLaren c0cked up... Under the safety car Trulli fell off the road in front of Lewis, Lewis quite rightly overtook Trulli whilst he was on the grass. Lewis was instructed to let Trulli back past him as McLaren feared (wrongly) that Lewis would be penalised for overtaking under yellow. Trulli (knowing the truth that Lewis should be P3) tried to let Lewis back past but Lewis wouldn't go through. Cars finished race - Trulli 3rd Lewis 4th. McLaren then appealed against Trulli saying it was all his fault and that he shouldn't have overtaken Lewis. Lewis claimed (lied) that he had not been instructed to let Trulli through, and that he was looking at his on-wheel information system when he slowed and Trulli decided to overtake. On the basis of the above Trulli was deemed to be in the wrong. But then Lewis told the press that McLaren told him to let Trulli through (how stupid). FIA read this and immediately started going back through the recordings of the pit-car radio of both. FIA found Lewis had lied and that when he said he was reading the safety information on the wheel - none was displayed! Lewis DQ'd and Trulli re-instated. Dark day for Lewis and McLaren. Sport into disprepute again. All because they didn't know what to do behind the safety car. All their own making - very very stupid. Nice to see McLaren up to their tricks again. Button, Barichello and Alonso FTW. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Alex Posted April 2, 2009 Share Posted April 2, 2009 For all your F1 news needs http://www.autosport.com http://www.f1-live.com http://www.gpupdate.net http://www.planet-f1.com http://news.bbc.co.uk/sport1/hi/motorsport/formula_one/default.stm Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
grahamc Posted April 2, 2009 Share Posted April 2, 2009 This has NOTHING to do with Ferrari does it...they didn't even finish! But do remember that Ferraris policy is "if we cant have it, no one can!!!" Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Alex Posted April 2, 2009 Share Posted April 2, 2009 Alex, I understand what you are saying but it takes away the excitment of the race, and after all it is a race, it seems all to often the rules get in the way or are so complex even the teams get it wrong ....and they have to agree most of them !! I just want to watch the worlds best cars and drivers fighting tooth and nail to win at all cost, that I am afraid seems to have gone in the F1 sport today I'm sticking to the facts that's all - people saying the FIA are upto their old tricks is a bit lame when they haven't bothered to read. You have to wonder about the mental state of a team that feels the need to lie and cheat like this. They should have people who's job it is to know and understand the rules. Those people should instruct the team on what to do in those situations. It's not rocket science. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
AndrewOW Posted April 2, 2009 Share Posted April 2, 2009 I like the photo used for the home page on the BBC website at the moment! Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
johnny g Posted April 2, 2009 Share Posted April 2, 2009 We'll probably see Brawn Gp kicked out on the 14th with their iffy diffusers. well if brawn and williams and toyota are deemed illegal in couple weeks...Alonso won that race It's a possibility, but we have the situation where the FIA employ people to come up with the rules, who aren't as clever as someone like Ross Brawn - who has a staggering record of out thinking the FIA when it comes to interpreting the rules. Even more than Adrian Newey I think. Take the 1994-1995 Bennetton B194, B194B and B195. They were stuffed with alleged illegal parts and software - yet, Brawn, Byrne and Symonds out though the powers that be. Similarly in the Ferrari golden era, they had some issues that they again out-thought the FIA on. Also, don't forget, they wrote off last year to develop this car. Brawn has had much longer to interpret and develop. I think they've simply done a better job than everyone else. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Alex Posted April 2, 2009 Share Posted April 2, 2009 It's not just the diffusers that are making the Brawn, Williams and Toyota's fast. As above, they have also had big teams working on the cars since early 2008. Rubens' diffuser was mashed in the first corner by Heikki...and he still finished 2nd... Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
tbourner Posted April 2, 2009 Share Posted April 2, 2009 McLaren c0cked up... Under the safety car Trulli fell off the road in front of Lewis, Lewis quite rightly overtook Trulli whilst he was on the grass. Lewis was instructed to let Trulli back past him as McLaren feared (wrongly) that Lewis would be penalised for overtaking under yellow. Trulli (knowing the truth that Lewis should be P3) tried to let Lewis back past but Lewis wouldn't go through. Cars finished race - Trulli 3rd Lewis 4th. McLaren then appealed against Trulli saying it was all his fault and that he shouldn't have overtaken Lewis. Lewis claimed (lied) that he had not been instructed to let Trulli through, and that he was looking at his on-wheel information system when he slowed and Trulli decided to overtake. On the basis of the above Trulli was deemed to be in the wrong. But then Lewis told the press that McLaren told him to let Trulli through (how stupid). FIA read this and immediately started going back through the recordings of the pit-car radio of both. FIA found Lewis had lied and that when he said he was reading the safety information on the wheel - none was displayed! Lewis DQ'd and Trulli re-instated. Dark day for Lewis and McLaren. Sport into disprepute again. All because they didn't know what to do behind the safety car. All their own making - very very stupid. Thanks! They should have people who's job it is to know and understand the rules. Those people should instruct the team on what to do in those situations. It's not rocket science. It is strange when you think probably 80-90% of proper F1 fans watching would have known about that rule, how come nobody on the radio did! Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Guigsy Posted April 2, 2009 Share Posted April 2, 2009 the reports on what happened on websites seem confusing. the bbc one particulary. i read it and went "what. i dont understand that at all" Then i read the press reliease and it all becomes clear as Alex said. Mclaren (specificly lewis and that other bloke) blatently lied to the FIA. Punishment is fair and just if you ask me. Press Release Stewards Decision - Australian GP 02/04/2009 PENALTY IMPOSED ON DRIVER NO 1 LEWIS HAMILTON AND COMPETITOR VODAFONE MCLAREN MERCEDES SUMMARY OF KEY CONSIDERATIONS At the first hearing following the Australian Grand Prix the Stewards did not have the benefit of the radio exchanges between driver No 1 Lewis Hamilton and his Team Vodafone McLaren Mercedes nor did they have access to the comments to the Media given by Lewis Hamilton immediately after the end of the race. From the video recordings available to the Stewards during the hearing it appeared that Jarno Trulli’s car left the track and car No 1 moved into third place. It then appeared that Trulli overtook Hamilton to regain third place, which at the time was prohibited as it was during the Safety Car period. During the hearing, held approximately one hour after the end of the race, the Stewards and the Race Director questioned Lewis Hamilton and his Team Manager David Ryan specifically about whether there had been an instruction given to Hamilton to allow Trulli to overtake. Both the driver and the Team Manager stated that no such instruction had been given. The Race Director specifically asked Hamilton whether he had consciously allowed Trulli to overtake. Hamilton insisted that he had not done so. The new elements presented to the Stewards several days after the 2009 Australian Grand Prix which led to the reconvened Stewards Meeting clearly show that: a. Immediately after the race and before Lewis Hamilton attended the Stewards Meeting he gave an interview to the Media where he clearly stated that the Team had told him to let Trulli pass. b. Furthermore, the radio exchanges between the driver and the Team contain two explicit orders from the Team to let the Toyota pass. The Stewards, having learned about the radio exchanges and the Media interview, felt strongly that they had been misled by the driver and his Team Manager which led to Jarno Trulli being unfairly penalised and Lewis Hamilton gaining third place. http://www.fia.com/en-GB/mediacentre/pressreleases/f1releases/2009/Pages/f1_stewards_decision.aspx Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
RED_ROCKET Posted April 2, 2009 Share Posted April 2, 2009 why was he not just relagated to 4th seems a bit harsh Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
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