Blackie Posted December 10, 2007 Share Posted December 10, 2007 Anyone seen one? my boss was in the R.A.F for 20 years and says he has seen a few but the big bosses just didnt want to know. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Rob Posted December 11, 2007 Share Posted December 11, 2007 When I believed in UFOs I used to see them all the time, now I no longer believe in them, I see lots of planes, helicopters, evening stars(ie venus) and other stuff. Although the probability of intelligent life existing elsewhere may be high, I don't believe this planet has ever been visited by beings from another planet. Look at all the evidence, first sightings by RAF bomber crews in the 40's, the so called foo fighters, trained pilots yes, under a lot of stress? You betcha, all night missions with life and death at stake, not what I'd call a reliable witness. Then that Kenneth bloke coined the flying saucer phrase and suddenly everyone is seeing them, and meeting them, and they come from Mars, Venus etc. Later on they start to come from places further out when science proves that Earth is the only planet with life on it. A lot of the stories were manufactured by the CIA to cover up the stuff they were developing in the USAF, and the public just ran with it. Hell, everyone wants their brief moment of fame and the stories always reflect whats going on in the media. Humans love telling stories, it's what makes us tick. I actually saw the fairly well-known Orpington UFO in the 80's, now that I can't explain as my story tallied with many other witness' accounts. Was it mass-hysteria? Looking at it now, how much did I know about every single aircraft in existance when I was that age? Slightly less than I do now, but I reckon it was some secret plane testing. I believed it HAD to be a UFO then, but now I'm old enough to realise it was just something that I didn't know existed, and I transposed my beliefs onto it. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Rob Posted December 11, 2007 Share Posted December 11, 2007 http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/List_of_major_UFO_sightings In fact here's a list going way back to the 16th Century. Sadly, no mention of the incident I spoke of, but it was well recorded amongst teh UFO community. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Havard Posted December 11, 2007 Share Posted December 11, 2007 Why don't U.F.O Blackie?? Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
tbourner Posted December 11, 2007 Share Posted December 11, 2007 You'll be seeing lots of them in about 10-20 years! http://www.gfsprojects.co.uk/ I suppose by then they'll just be FOs though. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Matt H Posted December 11, 2007 Share Posted December 11, 2007 Anyone seen one? my boss was in the R.A.F for 20 years and says he has seen a few but the big bosses just didnt want to know. Seen one? im sure a few people on here have been aboard one!! Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Carl_S Posted December 11, 2007 Share Posted December 11, 2007 UFO's exist, but extra terrestrial intelligence coming to earth either to visit or for some other reason, is a fallacy. a weather balloon can be a ufo, until its identified, as well as special military test aircraft. I think people see them in times of stress, and becuase they are susceptible to *wanting * to see such things. They don't exist and have told friends that have seen them that they are mistaken. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
bigcol Posted December 11, 2007 Share Posted December 11, 2007 Seen one? im sure a few people on here have been aboard one!! not that alien abduction theme again is it:D Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
AJI Posted December 11, 2007 Share Posted December 11, 2007 yeah thats right ..... a UFO is only something that hasn't been identified if it is flying. There are loads of occurancies on air traffic control (one of my old school mates works at Gatwick)... these are usually small aircraft with faulty transponders etc. they cease becoming a UFO when the pilot identifies himself. But anything is a UFO if its in the air and you don't know what it is. Just that as there is an element of unknown in the equation there is money to be made from fear of the unknown... as with all these other things such as haunted castles etc. This is why there is always the link of little green men coming to suck out your brain !! Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
JustGav Posted December 11, 2007 Share Posted December 11, 2007 I don't believe this planet has ever been visited by beings from another planet. extra terrestrial intelligence coming to earth either to visit or for some other reason, is a fallacy. And why not, don't we study ants in ant farms? As Carl Sagan has said it would an awful waste of space if we are alone. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
bigcol Posted December 11, 2007 Share Posted December 11, 2007 its funny that no-one has mentioned about anything coming from uranus:p Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
CJ Posted December 11, 2007 Share Posted December 11, 2007 its funny that no-one has mentioned about anything coming from uranus:p Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Rob Posted December 11, 2007 Share Posted December 11, 2007 And why not, don't we study ants in ant farms? As Carl Sagan has said it would an awful waste of space if we are alone. I doubt that we are alone. It's quite a precise set of circumstances that allow life on Earth, but it must occur again in the infinite universe. Based solely on our knowledge (as that's all we can base things on) it's quite a huge achievement to be able to cross interstellar distances, and if we were to achieve it and go out and find a planet with intelligent life on it, would we land and make contact? It would be a bit of a waste of time if we didn't. Therefore if other-world beings can come to Earth and make contact...let's take another famous example...and they decide to pass on some of their advanced engineering in the form of an engine that runs on water, who would they present this gift to? The Prime Minister, The Queen, The CEO of BP? (the classic "take me to your leader" actually makes a lot of sense) or in the case I'm referring to, some bloke sitting by Manchester Ship Canal, fishing at midnight, drowning his sorrows in a bottle of whiskey? "Here, Zod, that guy looks the ideal candidate to receive our advanced mechanics package" "Well, Gimzoid, you know MY feelings on the issue, but I was outvoted by the high committee, so if you and your "pals" want to hand over something that will change this planet forever, to that pissed-up loser down there, don't come running to me when he fails to return the favour. I mean, millions of our people are dying from the awful Typhoid virus, and I personally selected this planet as being suitable to find a cure, but No, you go right ahead with your "little plan." Remember what happened with that hillbilly guy in Nevada, you gave him the time-space folding machine, and what did he give us? A bottle of bourbon and a signed picture of Jayne Mansfield! Well that was just great." Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Matt H Posted December 11, 2007 Share Posted December 11, 2007 its funny that no-one has mentioned about anything coming from uranus:p I hope i never have to see anything comeing from uranus Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
AJI Posted December 11, 2007 Share Posted December 11, 2007 As we can't say with 100% accuracy how life started on earth (after all its just a probability), then there is also the chance there is no other life anywhere else in the universe. The thing is, why do we need life to exist anywhere else.... we don't really. Some people find it comforting to think that we are not alone.... but then what would it achieve if E.T's did come to earth ? For them and for us ? Us humans, our first reaction to anything we don't know about it fear... and the need to control and have the power to destroy if we can't control it. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Rob Posted December 11, 2007 Share Posted December 11, 2007 Decline of religion? UFOs only really kicked in after WW2. It's certainly been written before how more and more people drop organised faiths and shift to believeing in crazy unfounded stuff like crystals, crop circles, UFOs, astrology, new world order or Islam. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Thorin Posted December 11, 2007 Share Posted December 11, 2007 I know it requires an extremely strict set of requirements for life to exist on a planet, and that the odds are ridiculously high... but those odds say that somewhere else in the universe there probably is other sentient life. However yes there's also the smaller possibility that we are the only sentient life in the universe, but if that's the case, why? Wouldn't that suggest that it's possibly no accident that we came to exist? Edit: of course being the one true god I already know all the answers, but I'm just pushing this out there to get you all thinking. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
CJ Posted December 11, 2007 Share Posted December 11, 2007 Decline of religion? UFOs only really kicked in after WW2. It's certainly been written before how more and more people drop organised faiths and shift to believeing in crazy unfounded stuff like crystals, crop circles, UFOs, astrology, new world order or Islam. So you consider Islam not to be an organised faith and group it with crop circles and crystals? If so, then you really need to read up more on Islam before making such stupid statements. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Thorin Posted December 11, 2007 Share Posted December 11, 2007 So you consider Islam not to be an organised faith and group it with crop circles and crystals? If so, then you really need to read up more on Islam before making such stupid statements. Who's to say that believing in the prinicples of Islam (or Christianity, or Hinduism, or Pastafarian, etc. etc.) isn't any more credible than believing that crystals have the power to "heal" you though? Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
CJ Posted December 11, 2007 Share Posted December 11, 2007 Who's to say that believing in the prinicples of Islam (or Christianity, or Hinduism, or Pastafarian, etc. etc.) isn't any more credible than believing that crystals have the power to "heal" you though? It wasn't the credibility I was defending. It was this statement: "It's certainly been written before how more and more people drop organised faiths and shift to believing in crazy unfounded stuff like crystals, crop circles, UFOs, astrology, new world order or Islam". The above suggested Islam was not an organised faith and was part of "crazy unfounded stuff" whereas other mainstream religions were not. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Thorin Posted December 11, 2007 Share Posted December 11, 2007 The above suggested Islam was not an organised faith and was part of "crazy unfounded stuff" whereas other mainstream religions were not. Ah I see.... They're all crazy unfounded stuff IMO though Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Havard Posted December 11, 2007 Share Posted December 11, 2007 Ah I see.... They're all crazy unfounded stuff IMO though I am with this man.... Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Thorin Posted December 11, 2007 Share Posted December 11, 2007 I am with this man.... It's unfounded because proof denies belief, and I'm not about to prove to anyone that I am God and disappear in a puff of logic Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Gazboy Posted December 11, 2007 Share Posted December 11, 2007 There's billions of stars with billions of planets out there, statisticly there has to be another planet with life, it may only be single cell organisms but I can't imagine Earth is a freak scenario. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Ian C Posted December 11, 2007 Share Posted December 11, 2007 It's unfounded because proof denies belief, and I'm not about to prove to anyone that I am God and disappear in a puff of logic Stop babeling Oh and yes it took a lot of precise factors to get this specific form of life on this planet, but then what other form of life would have sprung up? Certainly not a form that wanted a different precise set of factors Some people say it's a miracle that we got the planet in the right solar orbital position, and the right size, and the pole tipped over to give our seasons and weather, and a moon for tides etc. I say it's the opposite - utterly inevitable. If one or more of those factors didn't exist or was markedly different, either a) a different form of life would have sprung forth and would be saying "OMG that was lucky we had three moons and the surface temperatures are 100degC and the atmosphere is ammonia based or we'd be screwed" or b) no life would have appeared and no-one would be saying anything. -Ian Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
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