jaymdee Posted December 1, 2007 Share Posted December 1, 2007 375quid to fit an intercooler!!!WTF?? Yeah, but at £75 per hour that works out to 5 hours, which if it needs a bit of extra work to get to fit (and remove all the bumper, wheel arch liners etc) could be correct Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
juanchan Posted December 1, 2007 Share Posted December 1, 2007 I assume that it wouldn't be worth involving anything like trading standards? On the grounds of selling/fitting items as "required" when they aren't? Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
jaymdee Posted December 1, 2007 Share Posted December 1, 2007 any clues as to what 412fwhp is in bhp??? You'd probably want to be getting 330 at the rear wheels to guestimate 412 @fly, assuming 20% losses (at worst). Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Muffleman Posted December 1, 2007 Share Posted December 1, 2007 Even Phoenix only charge £35 an hour and there is no VAT to pay on that £35 is uncommonly cheap mate, it's £45ph + vat round this way for the backstreet garages fixing mondeos, £65ph for performance cars and £90ph upwards for main dealers. But I'm afraid £3.5k for BPU is a total and utter rip off, no two ways about it ! Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Pete Posted December 1, 2007 Share Posted December 1, 2007 IIRC when I had a go on their rolling road he tried to convince me that I needed a boost controller and to remove the restrictor ring as the controller would limit the boost. Didn't matter how much I tried to convince him that a boost controller could only raise the boost, he was having none of it. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Ian W Posted December 1, 2007 Share Posted December 1, 2007 IIRC when I had a go on their rolling road he tried to convince me that I needed a boost controller and to remove the restrictor ring as the controller would limit the boost. Didn't matter how much I tried to convince him that a boost controller could only raise the boost, he was having none of it. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Homer Posted December 1, 2007 Share Posted December 1, 2007 any clues as to what 412fwhp is in bhp??? When they gave you the dyno results they should have provided them with a RWHP figure (which is what the rolling road actualy calculates), sounds like they didn't Is it an auto or 6spd? With a 6spd, based on previous results it's probably around the 350rwhp figure, if an auto, probably around 320rwhp. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
SupraD06 Posted December 1, 2007 Author Share Posted December 1, 2007 I assume that it wouldn't be worth involving anything like trading standards? On the grounds of selling/fitting items as "required" when they aren't? dont kow mate, at the time he said "ill only fit this if i need to as i dont want to sell you things you dont need" where as what he should of said was " you dont need this and im ripping you off with everything im doing and your money is funding my own car, cheers mate" I just want the place to get leveled Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
SupraD06 Posted December 1, 2007 Author Share Posted December 1, 2007 Is it an auto or 6spd? With a 6spd, based on previous results it's probably around the 350rwhp figure, if an auto, probably around 320rwhp. its a 6speed mate, Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Homer Posted December 1, 2007 Share Posted December 1, 2007 £35 is uncommonly cheap mate, it's £45ph + vat round this way for the backstreet garages fixing mondeos, £65ph for performance cars and £90ph upwards for main dealers. But I'm afraid £3.5k for BPU is a total and utter rip off, no two ways about it ! Hmm, I refuse to pay more than £40 per hour for labour, pretty much every garage (apart from Phoenix) have trained monkeys doing the work. If they were a real specialist, doing work that requires specialist skills then I would obviously pay for this. For spanner work, not a penny more than £40 per hour. That's more than I earn so may as well take the afternoon off and do it myself Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Homer Posted December 1, 2007 Share Posted December 1, 2007 its a 6speed mate, If the dyno is to be believed then the power is about right, though not impressive. Either way, you've been ripped off on those labour charges. Sorry fella, there's no other way to say it Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
SupraD06 Posted December 1, 2007 Author Share Posted December 1, 2007 when you say " though not impressive" do you mean not impressive because its only at bpu or because its not impressive for the mods ive had done???? either way like i said its about 2k down the pan wooooo hoooo may aswell laugh or else ill just cry:( Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Muffleman Posted December 1, 2007 Share Posted December 1, 2007 The whole thing is bad, not just labour charges - the price on the parts is criminal. Phoenix next time mate Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Homer Posted December 1, 2007 Share Posted December 1, 2007 when you say " though not impressive" do you mean not impressive because its only at bpu or because its not impressive for the mods ive had done???? either way like i said its about 2k down the pan wooooo hoooo may aswell laugh or else ill just cry:( I meant thats it's okay for BPU, but not what you'd expect from a car with a mapped piggyback ECU. Mine made 430fwhp in the hot summer weather when running 1.15 bar with a stock ECU. If a piggyback ECU is fitted it can be made to reduce fueling at the high end and thus provide a little more power. As mentioned, it's the Rear Wheel HP figure that really counts (along with a run at a reliable rolling road). Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
SupraD06 Posted December 1, 2007 Author Share Posted December 1, 2007 Not a good day today, anyone want to buy a 6speed tt thats had more money spent on it than can be accounted for lol Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
suprafan72 Posted December 1, 2007 Share Posted December 1, 2007 Not a good day today, anyone want to buy a 6speed tt thats had more money spent on it than can be accounted for lol Mate, As Homer and Matt says you've been ripped off bad... Another Supra Member on here as been to them for Suspension work etc..Ill ask her what sort of price they charged her.. Bit shocked they would charge that to be honest.. But then again i'm not shocked at anything now mate.. I live around 2 miles from these guys so if i can help in anyway.. I don't mind having a word with them on your behalf mate... If i can help i will Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
SupraD06 Posted December 1, 2007 Author Share Posted December 1, 2007 Mate, As Homer and Matt says you've been ripped off bad... Another Supra Member on here as been to them for Suspension work etc..Ill ask her what sort of price they charged her.. Bit shocked they would charge that to be honest.. But then again i'm not shocked at anything now mate.. I live around 2 miles from these guys so if i can help in anyway.. I don't mind having a word with them on your behalf mate... If i can help i will very good of you that mate, thanks very much, like i said in previous posts the price difference in the boost controller and turbo timer compared to most other places is just unjustifiable, with the high labour cost and things like the neo which i didnt need im seriously out of pocket and i seriously hope no one else even drives near the place. thanks again mate Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
suprafan72 Posted December 1, 2007 Share Posted December 1, 2007 very good of you that mate, thanks very much, like i said in previous posts the price difference in the boost controller and turbo timer compared to most other places is just unjustifiable, with the high labour cost and things like the neo which i didnt need im seriously out of pocket and i seriously hope no one else even drives near the place. thanks again mate No probs mate... Im frankly appauled about it... Like i said let me know if i can help Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
SupraD06 Posted December 1, 2007 Author Share Posted December 1, 2007 ive just been working it out and i reckon im £1283 over priced or there abouts, not sure there is much i can do about it now seen as it was nearly 8 months ago, just very dissapointed in them, they seemed very geniune, i did think he may even be a member on here as he has a 800+bhp supra as the demo car in the reception area which he owns, i think everyone needs to know about this kind of behaviour before it happens again Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Tones Posted December 1, 2007 Share Posted December 1, 2007 I meant thats it's okay for BPU, but not what you'd expect from a car with a mapped piggyback ECU. Mine made 430fwhp in the hot summer weather when running 1.15 bar with a stock ECU. If a piggyback ECU is fitted it can be made to reduce fueling at the high end and thus provide a little more power. As mentioned, it's the Rear Wheel HP figure that really counts (along with a run at a reliable rolling road). i thought standard 440s would be running at near enough 100% duty at that kind of power? not reccomended really is it? or am i off in saying that?? Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Homer Posted December 1, 2007 Share Posted December 1, 2007 i thought standard 440s would be running at near enough 100% duty at that kind of power? not reccomended really is it? or am i off in saying that?? Some common misinformation there... though they are near (or at) 100% duty at WOT at 1.3 bar, the AFR'a and EGT's consistantly indicate overfuel at higher rpm. The only lean spot is the transition point. At the lower boost levels this will help the 2nd turbo spool quicker, but 440's are not an issue at high RPM provided the rest of the system is working 100%. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Tones Posted December 1, 2007 Share Posted December 1, 2007 gotcha! While im on it here b4 i hi jack anymore , one more question, would adding 550cc injectors to bpu jspec make any difference, stock ems, or would u have to get emanage or the likes to benefit? Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Homer Posted December 1, 2007 Share Posted December 1, 2007 one more question, would adding 550cc injectors to bpu jspec make any difference, stock ems, or would u have to get emanage or the likes to benefit? You'll be able to remove that very slight lean point at mid rpm, but it will make no difference to max power. Some say that a little lean during boost build is a good thing and helps quick spool, so in some points of view leaving it as stock will provide max hp on the stock ECU Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Dnk Posted December 1, 2007 Share Posted December 1, 2007 the garage that did it was WESTON PERFORMANCE in solihull Took my car there a little while ago as i live 5 miles away, they couldnt find any faults and even though i was told i would get the diagnostics done for free i got a bill for £175,, i wont be going back there again !! Doubt they'll stay in business for long if they keep taking the p like this. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Dnk Posted December 1, 2007 Share Posted December 1, 2007 Just to add,,, Ibrar fixed my car in about 30 mins yesterday which kind of says it all really. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
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