Matt H Posted November 27, 2007 Share Posted November 27, 2007 P.s, i do understand before any tries to differentiate, that Doug thinks its ok to punish someone for calling a teddy bear mohammed in a different country, but he doesnt agree with the actual punishment Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Class One Posted November 27, 2007 Share Posted November 27, 2007 Not looked at this in a while, since i last posted, wish i didnt because i cant believe what some people have posted in what appears to be defence of this joke. Suppose Doug, if you wana let people in other countrys rule how they want to, regardless of how stupid there laws are, then you have to accept the odd terrorist bombing now and again and whatever they want to do because they "think" its o.k FFS, ive read some shite on this forum in my time but FFS You obviously haven't read my posts properly then. I haven't advocated the actions of the Sudanese, and as I have stated I do not condone their punishment. Yes what's happened is disproportionate to her alleged crime by our standards, but that isn't my point. And if you knew history Matt, then you would know that we invaded the Sudan and f*cked up gloriously during the fall of Khartoum whilst trying to impose our Imperialist ways upon the indigenous populace. And yes, I do want other countries to rule themselves regardless of how "stupid" their laws are, otherwise we are nothing more than Imperialists ourselves. Intervention in other countries' affairs and trying to impose democracy during the 21st Century has been the primary cause of terrorism in this country and others. And the recent terrorist attacks and plots in Britain, have been on the whole conducted by British citizens on British citizens and not by state sponsored terrorism. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Matt H Posted November 27, 2007 Share Posted November 27, 2007 You obviously haven't read my posts properly then. I haven't advocated the actions of the Sudanese, and as I have stated I do not condone their punishment. Yes what's happened is disproportionate to her alleged crime by our standards, but that isn't my point. I'll refer you to post 76 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Class One Posted November 27, 2007 Share Posted November 27, 2007 Great riposte. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
CJ Posted November 27, 2007 Share Posted November 27, 2007 I'll refer you to post 76 That you made after applauding post 75 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
CJ Posted November 27, 2007 Share Posted November 27, 2007 Great riposte. No, I don't think it is as I have done a search and found nothing similar (jk) Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Matt H Posted November 27, 2007 Share Posted November 27, 2007 And if you knew history Matt, then you would know that we invaded the Sudan and f*cked up gloriously during the fall of Khartoum whilst trying to impose our Imperialist ways upon the indigenous populace. And yes, I do want other countries to rule themselves regardless of how "stupid" their laws are, otherwise we are nothing more than Imperialists ourselves. Intervention in other countries' affairs and trying to impose democracy during the 21st Century has been the primary cause of terrorism in this country and others. And the recent terrorist attacks and plots in Britain, have been on the whole conducted by British citizens on British citizens and not by state sponsored terrorism. Ignoring the pointless history lesson, i quess its o.k that one of our own is over then, most likey just trying to do a bit of good, and gets hit with crap like this, glad its not your wife doug, otherwise you will have to agree with her getting punished for such pettyness. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Matt H Posted November 27, 2007 Share Posted November 27, 2007 Great riposte. That you made after applauding post 75 No, I don't think it is as I have done a search and found nothing similar (jk) let me finish you eager beavers Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Matt H Posted November 27, 2007 Share Posted November 27, 2007 Great riposte. everythings a battle and an arguement with you Doug Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Matt H Posted November 27, 2007 Share Posted November 27, 2007 Other countries having there own laws and etc is all well and good, no problem with that, but there comes a point, where you have stand up and say something is wrong and over steps the mark when it is. Simply going in like your British of the past and starting changing everything is obviously not what im talking about. But you seem to think it is as your qouted imperialism and probably even considering throwing in crusades as well. No ones saying that, just that when something is blatantly wrong, you have to stand up and be counted. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Lbm Posted November 27, 2007 Share Posted November 27, 2007 Even though she was 'in charge' of the kids...I wonder why the children didn't flinch at any time saying "Oh miss...you can't really do that...it's not allowed"...or at least a shake of the head, etc? They're pretty savvy, young ones you know. In addition...surely some leniency given she is doing a job teaching kids with kindness and compassion and helping this country's future generation with foreign langauge skills... On the other hand....KILL HER! (Armstrong & Miller ) Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Class One Posted November 27, 2007 Share Posted November 27, 2007 everythings a battle and an arguement with you Doug Really? I find it's mostly the other way around. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Matt H Posted November 27, 2007 Share Posted November 27, 2007 On the other hand....KILL HER! (Armsrtrong & Miller & Doug) Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Matt H Posted November 27, 2007 Share Posted November 27, 2007 Really? I find it's mostly the other way around. ... Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
CJ Posted November 27, 2007 Share Posted November 27, 2007 Other countries having there own laws and etc is all well and good, no problem with that, but there comes a point, where you have stand up and say something is wrong and over steps the mark when it is. Simply going in like your British of the past and starting changing everything is obviously not what im talking about. But you seem to think it is as your qouted imperialism and probably even considering throwing in crusades as well. No ones saying that, just that when something is blatantly wrong, you have to stand up and be counted. But the problem with that argument is as I have said in previous posts i.e. if foreigners come here and try to change our rules and laws, we rightly get very upset and yet you seem to be advocating that very same thing. Or are you only disagreeing with the (as yet unconfirmed) punishment? If it is the possible severity of the punishment then your argument makes more sense. If it is because you (or others) disagree with the actual law, then it doesn't. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Lbm Posted November 27, 2007 Share Posted November 27, 2007 I also wonder if the people of the Middle East want to be associated with this idea of arresting this Infadel and punishing her! Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Matt H Posted November 27, 2007 Share Posted November 27, 2007 Even though she was 'in charge' of the kids...I wonder why the children didn't flinch at any time saying "Oh miss...you can't really do that...it's not allowed"...or at least a shake of the head, etc? They havent been completely brainwashed at that age, maybe a couple of years in advance before that happens Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Lbm Posted November 27, 2007 Share Posted November 27, 2007 They havent been completely brainwashed at that age, maybe a couple of years in advance before that happens Yep...hasn't quite filtered down yet...The concept of A Catholic child- A Christian child- or Muslim child- is for me...absurd Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Matt H Posted November 27, 2007 Share Posted November 27, 2007 But the problem with that argument is as I have said in previous posts i.e. if foreigners come here and try to change our rules and laws, we rightly get very upset and yet you seem to be advocating that very same thing. Or are you only disagreeing with the (as yet unconfirmed) punishment? If it is the possible severity of the punishment then your argument makes more sense. If it is because you (or others) disagree with the actual law, then it doesn't. Come on CJ, the women is getting punished, regardless of the punishment, for naming a teddy bear the most popular name in the Muslim faith, which the kids wanted anyway. its beggars belief, yet im on here reading that we shouldnt get upset about it and its o.k. Im not on some radical political website here, im on MKIVsupra.net and yet people are defending this. Its just probably speaks volumes about the bigger picture, and thats scarey Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
colsoop Posted November 27, 2007 Share Posted November 27, 2007 But the problem with that argument is as I have said in previous posts i.e. if foreigners come here and try to change our rules and laws, we rightly get very upset and yet you seem to be advocating that very same thing. Exactly what i was going to post. When in a foreign country you abide by their rules, simple !. By our standards her potential punishment is harsh but we live by different laws and thats the same the world over. The lady was naive at best and i would have hoped had a better understanding of the country she was working in or at least been advised by her colleagues a bit better. I expect the papers are quoting the punishment to be sensationalist (as is the media way) and the punishment will end up being nowhere near as bad as is claimed. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Lbm Posted November 27, 2007 Share Posted November 27, 2007 The lady was naive at best and i would have hoped had a better understanding of the country she was working in or at least been advised by her colleagues a bit better. Maybe so, but if you are going to employ foreign nationals, for your benefit...bloody well explain everything first- what they must and must not do and- must or must not say ! Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
colsoop Posted November 27, 2007 Share Posted November 27, 2007 Maybe so, but if you are going to employ foreign nationals, for your benefit...bloody well explain everything first- what they must and must not do and- must or must not say ! If i was going to work in a foreign country you could bet your life i would research it first you don't go off to a foreign country to work on a whim do you ? As i implied in my post you can't always believe what is made out in the media Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Lbm Posted November 27, 2007 Share Posted November 27, 2007 I agree with you Colsoop-do some research! ...smells more like a political punch to Britain though Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
hogmaw Posted November 27, 2007 Share Posted November 27, 2007 Not sure if anyone read my previous post as nobody has commented on it yet, but I still think it is pertinent to the discussion: "Much as we may personally disapprove of the laws, customs and traditions of other countries, it's nevertheless our obligation to respect them while we are there. If you call a toy bear by the name of Mohammed in Sudan, drink beer in Saudi, or have your chest shaved by a barber in Omaha - you're breaking the law." We might think of those laws as ludicrous, but the people who made them don't. By the same token, I am sure we too have daft laws that people of foreign countries think are stupid too. At the end of the day it's not a serious matter. Only when a country advocates something serious like terrorism or genocide, THEN can a foreign power step in in the name of humanitarianism. Being arrested over calling a teddy by the name of Mohammed is hardly a case for calling in the SAS is it? Subtle diplomacy behind the scenes will do the trick. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Kranz Posted November 27, 2007 Share Posted November 27, 2007 Tsk, it was all so much easier when we all lived in caves Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
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