Kieran Posted November 7, 2007 Share Posted November 7, 2007 As was said above, I think a lot of it is to do with technology doing everything for us and nobody actually writing anything by themselves anymore. At work, out of nine people in my team, there's only me (the youngest at 24) and the oldest who's 50-odd that can spell and use the right words; e.g. payroll is often written as "payrole" and the usual your/you're cock-ups whenever someone has to write something from scratch. I reckon the reason for this is that whenever we have to do any paperwork, it just involves changing a few words or numbers on a standard document and printing it out. Having said that, while I can still spell and punctuate pretty well, my handwriting is $hit now because I hardly ever use a pen anymore other than for signing things. Also, I have that weird thing with typing think instead of thing as well. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
SupraStar 3000 Posted November 7, 2007 Share Posted November 7, 2007 jamesmark, Not sure I follow. Am I being paranoid? Do I rant on about my job much? Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
dazla Posted November 7, 2007 Share Posted November 7, 2007 To be totally honest i didn't really do well at school with my English. My spelling and punctuation is pretty poor but i try my best. I wish i could go back and do it all again but its to late for that. I excelled in other things like art and design with an A+ and wasn't pushed enough in classes like English and maths. Must of been the school:rolleyes: Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
CJ Posted November 7, 2007 Share Posted November 7, 2007 jamesmark, Not sure I follow. Am I being paranoid? Do I rant on about my job much? I think it was a pop at RedM Ed, not you. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
SupraStar 3000 Posted November 7, 2007 Share Posted November 7, 2007 Cheers Colin. Sorry James. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
RedM Posted November 7, 2007 Share Posted November 7, 2007 I think it was a pop at RedM Ed, not you. Yeah, and way off the fucking mark too. There is a world of difference between basic education (maths, English etc) and actual trades, skills, workplace qualifications and the like. I've only got my O levels to get me jobs. I've had no work place training or anything that could be put onto a bit of paper. So, Mark, if it was that easy I'd having fucking done it by now. FFS! Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
jamesmark Posted November 7, 2007 Share Posted November 7, 2007 jamesmark, Not sure I follow. Am I being paranoid? Do I rant on about my job much? No need to be paranoid. I was only making a comment that people 'can and do' moan about the jobs they are in however if they are truly educated in the english language then they could easily use this to acheive better jobs. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
RedM Posted November 7, 2007 Share Posted November 7, 2007 No need to be paranoid. I was only making a comment that people 'can and do' moan about the jobs they are in however if they are truly educated in the english language then they could easily use this to acheive better jobs. Bullshit. Everyone and their bloody dog should have good English skills. It shouldn't even be something to be judged on. You really do talk some shit. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Blackie Posted November 7, 2007 Share Posted November 7, 2007 Interesting point, if spelling, grammar and so on is so important in this day of age why do some not use it to seek better jobs? Instead of starting threads and moaning about how thier job sucks etc etc. If they are truly that educated they would not be in such a dead end job that is "poorly paid", they would actively seek better employment. but, on the other hand, i will openly admite im not the brightest button in the box and my spelling and grammers rubbish but i have a job i like and i have always had a job ever since i left school. i dont think grammer and spelling come in to a lot of them. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
flukey-lukey Posted November 7, 2007 Share Posted November 7, 2007 I have a good job that pays well and I'm happy with it. I wouldn't consider myself 'truely educated in the English language' though... Not all jobs/careers need qualified english folk Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
RedM Posted November 7, 2007 Share Posted November 7, 2007 I have a good job that pays well and I'm happy with it. I wouldn't consider myself 'truely educated in the English language' though... Not all jobs/careers need qualified english folk Exactly. Being able to spell and write correctly is just assumed. It doesn't actually count for shit when applying for a job. Well, maybe if you want to be a proof reader or the like. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Blackie Posted November 7, 2007 Share Posted November 7, 2007 Exactly. Being able to spell and write correctly is just assumed. It doesn't actually count for shit when applying for a job. Well, maybe if you want to be a proof reader or the like. yep! in every job i have had, writing hasent been an issue Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
RedM Posted November 7, 2007 Share Posted November 7, 2007 yep! in every job i have had, writing hasent been an issue Luckily. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Blackie Posted November 7, 2007 Share Posted November 7, 2007 Luckily. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
CJ Posted November 7, 2007 Share Posted November 7, 2007 yep! in every job i have had, writing hasent been an issue Luckily. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Tannhauser Posted November 7, 2007 Share Posted November 7, 2007 Exactly. Being able to spell and write correctly is just assumed. It doesn't actually count for shit when applying for a job. Well, maybe if you want to be a proof reader or the like. If I read this correctly, you seem to be saying that it's only likely to be important in a few specialist jobs. I don't think that this is true. There are still quite a few professions where a poorly-worded application would go straight in the bin. Alternatively, there are plenty of Personnel Managers who would use SPAG as a way to weed out applications. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Havard Posted November 7, 2007 Share Posted November 7, 2007 Confused by the thread title as my grammar doesn't even have a computer and isn't even aware of the internet, never mind been on this forum!! H. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
jamesmark Posted November 7, 2007 Share Posted November 7, 2007 If I read this correctly, you seem to be saying that it's only likely to be important in a few specialist jobs. I don't think that this is true. There are still quite a few professions where a poorly-worded application would go straight in the bin. Alternatively, there are plenty of Personnel Managers who would use SPAG as a way to weed out applications. Exactly what I was meaning, the fire service for one. Even in my work any bad spelling etc etc your application will be declined no matter how many qualifications you have. Being able to speak and write the Queens English is an absolute must where I work. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Guest Killer Heels Posted November 7, 2007 Share Posted November 7, 2007 welcome back H! Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
RedM Posted November 7, 2007 Share Posted November 7, 2007 If I read this correctly, you seem to be saying that it's only likely to be important in a few specialist jobs. I don't think that this is true. There are still quite a few professions where a poorly-worded application would go straight in the bin. Alternatively, there are plenty of Personnel Managers who would use SPAG as a way to weed out applications. You read it correctly but I didn't mean it that way! It's important in all jobs just not in the way that Jamesmark believes it to be. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
RedM Posted November 7, 2007 Share Posted November 7, 2007 Confused by the thread title as my grammar doesn't even have a computer and isn't even aware of the internet, never mind been on this forum!! H. Year or lifetime? Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
flukey-lukey Posted November 7, 2007 Share Posted November 7, 2007 If I read this correctly, you seem to be saying that it's only likely to be important in a few specialist jobs. I don't think that this is true. There are still quite a few professions where a poorly-worded application would go straight in the bin. Alternatively, there are plenty of Personnel Managers who would use SPAG as a way to weed out applications. Nope, think hes saying its likely to be unimportant in a few specialist jobs i.e A job thats not officed based? A manual job? A job that doesn't involved writing etc etc Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Tannhauser Posted November 7, 2007 Share Posted November 7, 2007 To be totally honest i didn't really do well at school with my English. My spelling and punctuation is pretty poor but i try my best. I wish i could go back and do it all again but its to late for that. Your posts are easy to read and understand because you bother to use some structure (i.e. sentences and paragraphs). I can't see anybody on a forum objecting to that. Although you do make some mistakes, there is a world of difference between the way you write and some of the bad ones on the BBS. There are posts on .net that make my teeth hurt to look at them. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Havard Posted November 7, 2007 Share Posted November 7, 2007 Year or lifetime? Just a year mate!! Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Tannhauser Posted November 7, 2007 Share Posted November 7, 2007 Nope, think hes saying its likely to be unimportant in a few specialist jobs i.e A job thats not officed based? A manual job? A job that doesn't involved writing etc etc No, I think he's saying that it's not unimportant in all but a few non-specialist jobs that often (seldom) use incorrect but accurate english. Such as a helicopter. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
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