NeoFuture Posted November 5, 2007 Share Posted November 5, 2007 has anyone tried a hydrogen booster. they apparently give you 120 octane Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
NeoFuture Posted November 5, 2007 Author Share Posted November 5, 2007 http://waterpoweredcar.com/images/hydrobooster.pdf interesting Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
AJI Posted November 5, 2007 Share Posted November 5, 2007 would the supra ECU be able to adjust timing enough to take 120 RON ??? Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Tricky-Ricky Posted November 5, 2007 Share Posted November 5, 2007 would the supra ECU be able to adjust timing enough to take 120 RON ??? I think you will find that the Supra ECU is not up with the latest types,as it has no wideband as std, it can can only retard the ignition in response to detonation, it doesn't know what fuel you have put in. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
NeoFuture Posted November 5, 2007 Author Share Posted November 5, 2007 so how does NOS work with the ecu, doesnt that just raise the octane levels Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Tricky-Ricky Posted November 5, 2007 Share Posted November 5, 2007 so how does NOS work with the ecu, doesnt that just raise the octane levels No! nos should be injected via a controller and with more fuel, nos only adds extra oxygen which in turn allows extra fuel to be burnt = more power, it has nothing to do with the ECU. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
JustGav Posted November 5, 2007 Share Posted November 5, 2007 No! nos should be injected via a controller and with more fuel, nos only adds extra oxygen which in turn allows extra fuel to be burnt = more power, it has nothing to do with the ECU. Correct, it also lowers the charge tempreature dramatically which helps get round the detonation issue (for a short while anyway)... The stock ECU and lambda sensor is setup to expect the correct ratio for petrol and air (not other chemicals)... Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
NeoFuture Posted November 5, 2007 Author Share Posted November 5, 2007 so if some one was crazy enough to use an aftermarket ECU and work out the timings it would be possible (im only talking theoretical) so it would be possible to make a supra run on water if you atomize the hydrogen from water Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Tricky-Ricky Posted November 5, 2007 Share Posted November 5, 2007 LOL i think it would take a little more than an aftermarket ECU;) Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
NeoFuture Posted November 5, 2007 Author Share Posted November 5, 2007 yeah but with todays prices you can get all the bits for the price of a litre of golden 97 ron lol, in a few weeks time ill be able to do an NA-T for less than the price of a tank of splash Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Supra-Brett Posted November 5, 2007 Share Posted November 5, 2007 Never mind all of that, im pretty sure that it takes a shit load of energy to split water into hydrogen and oxygen. Think how much energy it takes to boil water. Thats just converting it from liquid to vapour. Physically breaking the hydrogen oxygen bond requires loads more energy (i think) I would get out my chemistry degree books and work it out, but i cant be arsed (and probably wouldent be able to work it out anyway after all this time out of uni). The extra weight in batteries, drain from a massive alternator and weight in water would likley override all the benefits (thats why Ford, Vauxhall etc havent done it already) Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Guest Geryatrix Posted November 5, 2007 Share Posted November 5, 2007 The only problem with using electrolysis to produce the Hydrogen and Oxygen is that it uses more energy to produce the gas than the gas will give when burnt. In order to use the system you would need the battery pack off a milk-float in the boot which would take the edge off the Supra's performance. Obviously two minds with a single thought. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
NeoFuture Posted November 5, 2007 Author Share Posted November 5, 2007 no its not, you can split the molecules relativly easily and only takes a 15-20 amp 12v Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
JustGav Posted November 5, 2007 Share Posted November 5, 2007 no its not, you can split the molecules relativly easily and only takes a 15-20 amp 12v Don't think so dude, otherwise we would all have hydrogen cracking systems in our houses (or is that just me?) Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Chris Wilson Posted November 5, 2007 Share Posted November 5, 2007 no its not, you can split the molecules relativly easily and only takes a 15-20 amp 12v You are not factoring in quantity here, are you? A test tube experiment isn't going to run a three litre engine for long. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
NeoFuture Posted November 5, 2007 Author Share Posted November 5, 2007 no im factoring octane boost for a petrol provisioned engine with a small atomizer, i know its going to take some powering, this thread is only about thoery not practice hehe Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
AJI Posted November 5, 2007 Share Posted November 5, 2007 I'm sure theories like this have been tested and engines produced.... but the big oil companies either buy up the patents for stupid money or they kill off the people involved...... or is this just me going down one of these conspiracy routes ?? ha ha Would be nice though to run a Supra engine on water...... I'd be able to laugh my ar$e off at Gordon Brown and his theiving tax grabbing cabinet ! (But then they'll tax water at 80%) Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
SimonB Posted November 5, 2007 Share Posted November 5, 2007 It's utter BS I'm afraid. To see why, let's see how much air is going through the engine at, say 6000rpm at 1BAR boost. That would be: 3000cc x 6000rpm / 2( because there's 1 intake stroker per 2 revs) / 60. That would be 150 litres, and because we're at 1 BAR that would be 300 litres of air every second (actually a bit less as that assumes 100%VE). The feeble amout of hydrogren produced by this thing would be totally lost in that lot. And that's even without the fact that as has been said, it takes more energy to extract hydrogen and oxygen than you get from burning it. So basically, it's total bollocks... Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
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