SupraStormRising Posted October 30, 2007 Share Posted October 30, 2007 What does everyone think? Personnally I think there is something but it will not be like you'd expect as I am more inclined to think the intelligent higher (insert what you believe) brought about the 'big bang' and tuned everything from there. Otherwise what is the point in concious and intelligence? Maybe a bit to deep for 00:03am Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
GazzaGSi Posted October 30, 2007 Share Posted October 30, 2007 Especillly with afew pints on top too... Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
SupraStormRising Posted October 30, 2007 Author Share Posted October 30, 2007 :cool:Although sadly i'm at work JD would be nice about now Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
jamesmark Posted October 30, 2007 Share Posted October 30, 2007 Lift after death is a load of rubbish, for me I don't believe it, Heaven and Hell does not exist. Also at the other end people who believe in Adam and Eve basicially they are just saying we come from a bunch of inbreds. Just my opinion. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
jazz1 Posted October 30, 2007 Share Posted October 30, 2007 well i believe life after death is probably hell or heaven as iv been reading some real life stories, one lady who passed away and it was not meant to be her time but she witnesed hell and then came back alive seeing as it wasnt supposed to be her time. Well there must something as ghosts exist so they were once human Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
jamesmark Posted October 30, 2007 Share Posted October 30, 2007 well i believe life after death is probably hell or heaven as iv been reading some real life stories, one lady who passed away and it was not meant to be her time but she witnesed hell and then came back alive seeing as it wasnt supposed to be her time. Well there must something as ghosts exist so they were once human Oh please, some nutter that never took her meds, let me guess she came from America? As for ghosts these chain emails about ghosts showing you spooky pics are NOT real. Ghosts are a great part of peoples imagination. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
marbleapple Posted October 30, 2007 Share Posted October 30, 2007 Oh please, some nutter that never took her meds, let me guess she came from America? As for ghosts these chain emails about ghosts showing you spooky pics are NOT real. Ghosts are a great part of peoples imagination. Whilst I do agree with you in general terms, you do seem very certain of yourself... can you back up your statements and disprove every bit of evidence they have? (the opposite arguement falls at the same hurdle) Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
jamesmark Posted October 30, 2007 Share Posted October 30, 2007 Whilst I do agree with you in general terms, you do seem very certain of yourself... can you back up your statements and disprove every bit of evidence they have? (the opposite arguement falls at the same hurdle) No, and neither can the people that claim there is an after life, there is NO hard evidence! apart from people saying that they have been to the after life. So it is something that cannot and probably NEVER will be proven, to me it is a load of rubbish it my opinion but if someone does believe in it then fair enough I wont think any less of them, people have their beliefs thats what makes us individuals. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
jazz1 Posted October 30, 2007 Share Posted October 30, 2007 well a lady from my work witnesed a ghost and because of that she is in a mental hospital Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
SupraStormRising Posted October 30, 2007 Author Share Posted October 30, 2007 Hmm feel I should post this linky Now I am a scientist always have been always will be however I still think consciousness itself carries on and that at the end of it there is something. Otherwise what's the point? Edit:- Should add also it is heavy reading Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
jazz1 Posted October 30, 2007 Share Posted October 30, 2007 i belive in us turning into spirits or going to hell and heaven, example go visit henry the 8 place thats haunted Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
jamesmark Posted October 30, 2007 Share Posted October 30, 2007 Hmm feel I should post this linky Now I am a scientist always have been always will be however I still think consciousness itself carries on and that at the end of it there is something. Otherwise what's the point? Edit:- Should add also it is heavy reading Good site, in a nutshell LAD is only heresay nothing more nothing less, it is on the same level as an "old wifes tale" Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
creative Posted October 30, 2007 Share Posted October 30, 2007 Also at the other end people who believe in Adam and Eve basicially they are just saying we come from a bunch of inbreds. Just my opinion. you been to wales as well? I sit on the fence with this one. I don't believe there is life after death but I do believe in spirits after experiencing and seeing them. The mind is a powerful tool but there are some things that just cant be explained... Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
SupraStormRising Posted October 30, 2007 Author Share Posted October 30, 2007 i belive in us turning into spirits or going to hell and heaven, example go visit henry the 8 place thats haunted Completely agree stayed in my God Fathers Chateau in the south of France when I was younger there was serious poltergeist activity. Also my sister who was 18months at the time sat bolt upright in the middle of the night and started speaking French.... God Father said that she was saying the attic and a lot of other stuff. To cut a long story short we found a military uniform in the middle of the attic on the floor nicely folded with a lock of hair tied to a piece of string suspended above it. Oh and a mirror lifted itself off the wall and smashed the only piece of it bigger than a pea had a signature scrawled across the back... Creepy Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
jazz1 Posted October 30, 2007 Share Posted October 30, 2007 there are ghosts its not imaginary otherwise people would not talk about these things so you cant say people are mad, baring in mind theres millions off people who have witnesed these ghosts etc Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
hogmaw Posted October 30, 2007 Share Posted October 30, 2007 Life after death, ghosts, even religion... ffs I can't believe that in this day and age people still believe in outdated, non-proven hearsay myths fantasy and mumbo jumbo gobbledegook to explain something just because it's unexplainable in rational, common sense or easy-to-understand terms. Can't you just understand that, like lots of other things, we just haven't sussed everything out yet? Science and modern day thinking has explained millions of things (repeat MILLIONS) of things in the last few hundred years that previously were 'explained' by scripture, myth and outright lies. Yet here we are in 2007 and there are still millions of people on the planet that believe in pretty much the same nonsense as primitive man ie god(s), life-after-death, ghosts etc. They forget the fact that as each day goes by, our understanding of the world increases, chipping away at the the Great Ignorance upon which is built religion and superstition. It beggars belief [sic], it really does. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
creative Posted October 30, 2007 Share Posted October 30, 2007 i can tell you of plenty experiences I and my mother have had with ghosts... like all the knives on the kitchen floor and the man sat on the bed... and the empty pint glass on the bar and and and.... catch the drift? lol Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
SupraStormRising Posted October 30, 2007 Author Share Posted October 30, 2007 Good site, in a nutshell LAD is only heresay nothing more nothing less, it is on the same level as an "old wifes tale" The probability section of that site is very interesting even a complete atheist or agnostic would still get a 20% probability of life after death. After all scientists recently had two options admit there was a controlling factor in the big bang due to the particular 'Fine Tuning' of certain quantum particle physics and loads of blah blah stuff I wont go into the only thing they could do is say well in that case to make up the 1 to 10 to the power of 1000000000000 odds of the universe forming the way it did we'll say that there is a multiverse that when the big bang happened pretty much an infinite number of universes were formed. Now if you add in the very real scientific probability of parallel universes you're begining to look at huge numbers. The science side of things interests me more and also how even darwin himself said 'If somone can find something that can't evolve by random mutations my whole theory falls apart' Bring on the bio molecular engines which would be impossible to form via evolution because if one component wasn't there the whole thing doesn't work. If you read this to the end I give you this Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
neil tt Posted October 30, 2007 Share Posted October 30, 2007 I belive:) Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Supragal Posted October 30, 2007 Share Posted October 30, 2007 In my opinion there is no such thing. How can there possibly be life after death? Break it down to what humans are. Basically, you die, you get buried and the worms eat you. End of. But it is difficult to comprehend how there can be "nothing" anymore. Terrifying really. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Pete Posted October 30, 2007 Share Posted October 30, 2007 You've already died. This is your life after death. You went to hell. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
AJI Posted October 30, 2007 Share Posted October 30, 2007 unfortunately religious beliefs and after life's and ghosts etc. are scientifically impossible as they only exist in people's 'consciousness'. Scientific fact is something that can be proven; and proven time and time again. After-life's are very old teachings of people's non understanding of death. It is very hard for the human mind to accept that once you die your brain also dies and your consciousness dies along with it. ie. once the oxygen and blood fails to keep you alive then there is nothing to support your life. You will then go into rigour-mortis as each part of your body dries up of oxygen and blood and then you are finally 'dead'. This is science fact and it is usually hard to accept. This is why nice little sotries of how you don't feel pain and you live forever in a nice big white fluffy cloud in the sky comes about.... this sounds so much better to people and they therefore accept it much better. From my understanding of history, religions came about due to people's non-understanding of life; and after-life's came about due to peoples non-understanding of death. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
jim_supra Posted October 30, 2007 Share Posted October 30, 2007 I don't believe in Life after death, or Heaven and Hell, no such place exists, it's a nice notion and one which i'm sure helps to comfort alot of, dare I say it, weak minded people, but I find the idea too far fetched. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
peter richards Posted October 30, 2007 Share Posted October 30, 2007 not quite sure about the welsh remark , but theres not a lot left after cremation.and what is just gets thrown away , (the sea , under a tree in the cem) the egyptian got a bit tied up in this , but apart from the odd mummy , which is hardly life after death , you dont see many Pharaohs walking about Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Charlotte Posted October 30, 2007 Share Posted October 30, 2007 In my opinion there is no such thing. How can there possibly be life after death? Break it down to what humans are. Basically, you die, you get buried and the worms eat you. End of. But it is difficult to comprehend how there can be "nothing" anymore. Terrifying really. It's very frightening for people to think like that, therefore people like to believe in a higher force at work or afterlife. The world would be a very depressed place if everyone agreed with the 'lights out' theory. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
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