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F1 engine development frozen for a decade!


Gaz Walker

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It will be a total waiste of time, so the ones a t the front will stay in front, and the ones at the back stay there, sounds great, not:(

 

your forgeting there are no small companies developing F1 engines anymore.

 

With exception of toyota as they are not near the top of the grid!! All the back of the field teams run customer engines of the top teams - STR ferrari, redbull renault etc.

 

The should have commited to bio desiel or something but as everyone has said give the engineers a free reign!

 

Its meant to cut cost but i doubt it actually does as im sure the large teams just divert the money to somewhere else!

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I believe there is scope to change this, but, if the engines arn't to change it's probably because of the laws of diminishing returns...after all they arn't allowed to tryout composites in the engines etc. It makes no real sense to waste development time on them, other than to level the playing field. (I do think all the engines should be dyno tested by the FIA and allowances made for the weakest engines to catch up a bit....otherwise it's a permanent disadvantage...but then again maybe they have and there is none?

 

So what are we left with? A HUGE push on Energy Reclaimation.

There will be a massive push by the teams focused on getting the most out of each kj of energy....

 

So what can we expect? Brake systems that charge batteries? Drivetrain systems that do the same (mainly on lift/deceleration I expect)? New, lighter and better battery technologies? Exhaust heat systems akin to BMW's Steam system? Different Fuel?!

 

The important thing to note with all of this is that these technologies could well be used ON THE ROAD. The manufacturers and FIA are keen to promote new technologies that are directly and obviously useful on the road. An F1 V8 2.4 pushing out 750Bhp+ isn't, unfortunately ;) , going to give us anything useful on the road.

 

I would have loved to see them push for composite engines but under the current rules they can't. But the rest will be pretty cool...and of real benefit to us all.

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They've been limiting the performance of F1 cars for a long time anyway.

 

Regenerative energy technology should be welcomed, I think some buses already use this. The energy wasted by a vehicle having to stop and then speed up again repeatedly is obviously the main reason why fuel economy is poor.

 

I wonder how they'll work this though, will there be a rush to do as much development as possible before this ten year period begins if they are allowed to keep which ever engine they have in use at the time?

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I wonder how they'll work this though, will there be a rush to do as much development as possible before this ten year period begins if they are allowed to keep which ever engine they have in use at the time?

 

I don't think the idea is that each team has to stick with the exact engine technology they have at the time of the freeze - it's just that no NEW, unagreed technologys can be introduced. The idea is that the teams that are behind will have time to catch up to the technological leaders - they will still be allowed to implement technologys that the other (top) teams already use.

 

It's a mechanism for attempting to level the playing field.

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Not true. The lower teams tend to use the top teams old engine designs (usually 1-2 years behind, I think?). Not the same engines. With this new limitation in place, the top teams old engines will not be as different to the new ones as they are now.

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sorry but I dont think thats correct, now the engines have gone through a homologisation process they are of a similar spec! Its also simply not possible, V8's were introduced in 06 and tuned through the year. The manufactures had to submit the degined for the Engine for the 2007 season in Dec 06 so there were not the previous revisions of the engine to sell to other teams.

 

The below is intresting - I never realised they could change as much as they can year on year.

 

http://www.fia.com/mediacentre/Press_Releases/FIA_Sport/2006/March/270306-01.html

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I don't think the idea is that each team has to stick with the exact engine technology they have at the time of the freeze - it's just that no NEW, unagreed technologys can be introduced. The idea is that the teams that are behind will have time to catch up to the technological leaders - they will still be allowed to implement technologys that the other (top) teams already use.

 

It's a mechanism for attempting to level the playing field.

 

 

I agree, that's the intention. Aside from the question of whether F1 should have ANY technology bans, they'd have been better having a control aerodynamics package, as that is where the smaller teams are unable to compete with the bigger. personally I'd like to see another top level formula, where any wheel driven propulsion is allowed, and aerodynamic package, and any electronics. You'd maybe see turbos, rotaries, superchargers, moving aero packages, ground effects, different fuels blah blah. To level the costs the cars would not run sponsorship decals, and there'd be no TV coverage, those that built and ran cars would do it for the hell of it, and to see them you'd have to get off your backside and go to where they ran. it'll obviously neve happen, but F1 is too precious these days, with poor racing and I honestly believe the TV audiences are getting fed up with it, as it stands.

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I agree, that's the intention. Aside from the question of whether F1 should have ANY technology bans, they'd have been better having a control aerodynamics package, as that is where the smaller teams are unable to compete with the bigger. personally I'd like to see another top level formula, where any wheel driven propulsion is allowed, and aerodynamic package, and any electronics. You'd maybe see turbos, rotaries, superchargers, moving aero packages, ground effects, different fuels blah blah. To level the costs the cars would not run sponsorship decals, and there'd be no TV coverage, those that built and ran cars would do it for the hell of it, and to see them you'd have to get off your backside and go to where they ran. it'll obviously neve happen, but F1 is too precious these days, with poor racing and I honestly believe the TV audiences are getting fed up with it, as it stands.

 

too right Chris cant agree with you more! I ended up watching the goodwood revival races last weekend and that was some of the best racing I have seen on the TV in a long long time. All F1 seems to be is 2 weeks of politicts followed by a drivers persesion every other weekend

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Formula Zero is interesting at the moment, pushing Green technologies.

 

The engine ban will mean as said above that technology will be pushed to other areas to gain a competitive advantage. I was watching a show on BBC World in Xian this week on how they'll use energy from the brakes to store extra power which could be unleashed on the press of a button, giving a new type of driving tactic too.

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