jamesmark Posted October 21, 2007 Author Share Posted October 21, 2007 I see it now, fuel samples... But would that not mean that Alonso wins??? No, as it is BMW that is being investigated I believe so woudl promote Lewis up to 5th giving him the F1 crown. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
jamesmark Posted October 21, 2007 Author Share Posted October 21, 2007 the missus just made an interesting point: If Williams or BMW lose driver points, then so should MacLaren from the "espionage" thing earlier in the year... The FIA gave the McLaren drivers amunity (sp) if they fully cooperated. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
DannyB Posted October 21, 2007 Share Posted October 21, 2007 What What WHAT What have i missed since the Race?!?!? Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
grahamc Posted October 21, 2007 Share Posted October 21, 2007 No, as it is BMW that is being investigated I believe so woudl promote Lewis up to 5th giving him the F1 crown. true, sorry Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Alex Posted October 21, 2007 Share Posted October 21, 2007 This is bizarre, I don't think Hamilton would want to win this way...IF and it's a big IF, any punishment is deemed worthy I expect it to be in the addition of the number of seconds the cars benefitted from having the funny fuel...this doesn't mean it would be enough to save Lewis. I think it's to do with heat, the teams were caught out with an extremely hot race, that's why the two honda's broke they over heated. Anyway, I don't think this is the way to decide a championship, but I'm sure Bernie is rubbing his hands!! lol Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
grahamc Posted October 21, 2007 Share Posted October 21, 2007 This is bizarre, I don't think Hamilton would want to win this way...IF and it's a big IF, any punishment is deemed worthy I expect it to be in the addition of the number of seconds the cars benefitted from having the funny fuel...this doesn't mean it would be enough to save Lewis. I think it's to do with heat, the teams were caught out with an extremely hot race, that's why the two honda's broke they over heated. Anyway, I don't think this is the way to decide a championship, but I'm sure Bernie is rubbing his hands!! lol is about temp of fuel Apparently happened to DC in 1995 and the penalty was constructors points only.... Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
merckx Posted October 21, 2007 Share Posted October 21, 2007 Kimi deserves to be world champion. But If the BMW's have cheated then the person with the most points deserves to win the F1 title. Just because a possible disqualification happens in the last race doesn't really matter. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Homer Posted October 21, 2007 Share Posted October 21, 2007 Bizarre indeed! And not good for the series if the recent news is to be believed. As much as Lewis has given a superb drive for much of the season Kimi has been the consistent and solid driver. He has earnt the championship as much as Alonso and Hamilton. At the end of the day he drove a better race during the last few and won - that’s all it needs Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
grahamc Posted October 21, 2007 Share Posted October 21, 2007 http://news.bbc.co.uk/sport1/hi/motorsport/formula_one/7055644.stm Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
SupraStar 3000 Posted October 21, 2007 Share Posted October 21, 2007 this pic sums it up really. ***Taken from the f1 site:*** BMW Sauber and Williams under investigation The BMW Sauber and Williams teams are being investigated by Brazilian Grand Prix stewards over possible technical irregularities on their cars at the end of Sunday’s Interlagos race. The enquiries are believed to relate to fuel temperatures. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
RedM Posted October 21, 2007 Share Posted October 21, 2007 It would be kind of poetic if Ferrari got f**ked over off the track. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Homer Posted October 21, 2007 Share Posted October 21, 2007 fuel temperatures What the heck does that mean? Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Homer Posted October 21, 2007 Share Posted October 21, 2007 It would be kind of poetic if Ferrari got f**ked over off the track. Aye Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Paul Posted October 21, 2007 Share Posted October 21, 2007 What the heck does that mean? I think the fuel temps were up to 10 degrees cooler than they should have been. I think this means that they can get more fuel in so therefore an advantage?? Could be wrong though:d Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
imi Posted October 21, 2007 Share Posted October 21, 2007 Imi mate i'm not knocking lewis i'm a big fan.I agree with what you say,but why didn't he just sit behind alonso.I respect that lewis is a racer and a winner and wanted to win the championship in style,but to be the 1st rookie winner is a bit special.On the up side thoe i guess we have many years of entertaining F1 ahead. As Graham said about SA in the rugby.They are not suprised when there team wins they expect it.May be we should adopt that attatude?? Buddy - it was McLarens responsibility to guide him home and bring back the title at the Chinese race. It was his for the taking and they screwed it up for him. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
b_have Posted October 21, 2007 Share Posted October 21, 2007 Well I rekon something very fishy went on with LH's car. To lose all gearbox control for 20 seconds and then recover to normality is unusual to say the least. Reminds me of the old days when working for Kawasaki racing, I recall certain factory teams using ECU 'ghost maps' for launch control (which was illegal). The ghost maps were programed with a time decay that in effect caused the map to disappear after use. Question is, who would/could access this and what motive? Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
supra61 Posted October 21, 2007 Share Posted October 21, 2007 Buddy - it was McLarens responsibility to guide him home and bring back the title at the Chinese race. It was his for the taking and they screwed it up for him. Totally agree bud.They also screwed it up for every brit,maclaren,hamilton fan.What a fook up. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
imi Posted October 22, 2007 Share Posted October 22, 2007 To round up a fantastic weekend for british sport... http://news.bbc.co.uk/sport1/hi/other_sports/snooker/7055652.stm Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
grahamc Posted October 22, 2007 Share Posted October 22, 2007 bloody hell Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
grahamc Posted October 22, 2007 Share Posted October 22, 2007 http://www.formula1.com/news/headlines/2007/10/7023.html Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
SupraStar 3000 Posted October 22, 2007 Share Posted October 22, 2007 on the up hand, we did win the under 9s, world Conker championships Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Gamer Posted October 22, 2007 Share Posted October 22, 2007 Well I rekon something very fishy went on with LH's car. To lose all gearbox control for 20 seconds and then recover to normality is unusual to say the least. Reminds me of the old days when working for Kawasaki racing, I recall certain factory teams using ECU 'ghost maps' for launch control (which was illegal). The ghost maps were programed with a time decay that in effect caused the map to disappear after use. Question is, who would/could access this and what motive? The ECU controlling that would have set it self to default mode, hence the 20 second delay and then recovery. Other comments made that should be cleared up. Hamilton had no choice but to go for a 3 stopper after his troubles. It would have allowed him to run lighter and hopefully pass more people. that was the reasoning behind going for a 3 stopper at that point. As far as the fueling irregularities mentioned. If the fuel is colder it allows them to run a bit longer. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
jim_supra Posted October 22, 2007 Share Posted October 22, 2007 I don't think McLaren will appeal the Stewards decision, or at least I hope they don't. They need to show that they are above the other teams and not do to others teams what McLaren have had done to them. And as said before, Lewis will not want to be Champion in those circumstances. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Gamer Posted October 22, 2007 Share Posted October 22, 2007 The report on the news is that they will be appealing. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
jim_supra Posted October 22, 2007 Share Posted October 22, 2007 The report on the news is that they will be appealing. Right, I thought it was they are expected to, not that they are for definate. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
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