edge Posted October 17, 2007 Share Posted October 17, 2007 Has anyone had any hypnotherapy for fear of flying. Me and the other half are both scared sh%&$less but want to be able to get on a plane again. Last time we flew out to egypt and i had many calming substances and about 10 pints on an empty stomach and as soon as i was on the plan the fear kicked in and i was as sobre as a judge So the other half keeps going about getting some hypnothreapy. Has anyone gone through this or found another way round the fear of flying? I used to work with planes for 3 years which i think started it all and she picked up my bad vibes and made her worse. My sister is a trolley dolley and flys daily and still cant convince me to get on a plane. All sarcastic, stupid and sensible comments welcome Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
colsoop Posted October 17, 2007 Share Posted October 17, 2007 Your name isn't BA is it ? I aint getting on no plane fool Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Jake Posted October 17, 2007 Share Posted October 17, 2007 Just go to your doctor and get some vallium or similar. That's what my sister did. He gave her loads of them. I took some of them too, just to see what it was like but they didn't seem to do anything as far as I could tell, but then flying doesn't bother me anyway. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Jamesy Posted October 17, 2007 Share Posted October 17, 2007 dude... get yourself a toddler or 2!! - for some reason i have now talked myself into being shit scarred on a plane - used to love it. since we had our 2 little kiddies its been better - fact is as soon as they shut the plane door the little horrors go nuts, restless, crying, feeding etc...by the time you've sorted them out your landing - cushty! Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Thorin Posted October 17, 2007 Share Posted October 17, 2007 Angela is very scared of flying too, she's mentioned getting pills from the Doctors, but might be interested in hypnotherapy too. Flying has never bothered me either. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Suprasteve Posted October 17, 2007 Share Posted October 17, 2007 my wife is the same - she gets hysterical and the staff have to sit with her to calm her down - very embarrassing. she spoke to someone about hypnotherapy but didn't actually book the sessions - there are 2 different types, one helps calm you the other is much more serious and connects into your subconscience to route about trying to find out the reason of the fear...sounds a bit heavy for my liking. however, he did show her a few methods or controlling the fear, mainly to do with tapping certain pressure points on the body and repeating words to yourself - this helped a lot on the last plane we went on but people were giving her funny looks... EDIT: she also had pills, they helped a little but just made her feel pished...maybe i should get some - i'll find out what they were called. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
adam bell Posted October 17, 2007 Share Posted October 17, 2007 Your name isn't BA is it ? I aint getting on no plane fool give him some of the special milk;) Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
edge Posted October 17, 2007 Author Share Posted October 17, 2007 She has got two contacts lined up to ring and have a chat about it (hypnotherapy). My sister takes valium on long haul when she visits oz etc. I will need to try it before i set foot on any plane. It would be great if someone could come round and either punch and knock me out but i may be hurt when i wake up or one of them things they use on star trek, the gun thingy that goes "pssssssst" in the neck and off to sleep you go. Its not the flying part that scares me, its the hitting the ground bit! Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Jake Posted October 17, 2007 Share Posted October 17, 2007 Why are you scared of flying then? You seem like a sensible guy usually, you must know that fear of flying is not logical. Do you know anyone that has been in a plane crash? Do you know anyone that knows anyone that's been in a plane crash? No, me neither. Can't you just man-up and pull yourself together? Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Kopite Posted October 17, 2007 Share Posted October 17, 2007 I've got a fear of flying too but went on a plane for the first time in 10 years in September... wasn't too bad once up there. Didn't bother with any tablets etc, just didn't eat anything in case i was sick etc Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
edge Posted October 17, 2007 Author Share Posted October 17, 2007 Why are you scared of flying then? You seem like a sensible guy usually, you must know that fear of flying is not logical. Do you know anyone that has been in a plane crash? Do you know anyone that knows anyone that's been in a plane crash? No, me neither. Can't you just man-up and pull yourself together? As i mentioned i used to work on planes, although only on the communication side of things. There are 2 books which most overhaul/repair places should have. And one day i read them, tells you about fatigue cracks in airframes, engine faults that are allowed but have to be checked regular etc but i dont want to go into to much detail just incase i put anyone elso off. Also in the industry you hear alot of things that get done or missed and shouldnt. Heard of a big freight liners that seemed to crash quite regular as it only seems to be passenger planes that get shown on the news.I know flying is one of the safest forms of transport around but if the plane was to break down you cant just pull up and wait for the AA to come put things right. And they dont tell you to put your head between your legs for extra safty in the event of an incident as if you think about it being in that position then suddenly a massive force on impact is only going to break your neck, Put your head between your legs so you can kiss your ass goodbuy Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Supragal Posted October 17, 2007 Share Posted October 17, 2007 Thing is, no amount of therapy or drugs is going to stop you thinking those things. Flying will never be danger free, but then most things aren't. When you say you are scared of it, do you mean you get nervous or do you mean when you set foot on a plane you get intense feelings that you can't even describe etc etc Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
colsoop Posted October 17, 2007 Share Posted October 17, 2007 Don't worry if you are really in the s**t the body releases chemcials to calm you down and prepare you for whats about to happen Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
edge Posted October 17, 2007 Author Share Posted October 17, 2007 Thing is, no amount of therapy or drugs is going to stop you thinking those things. Flying will never be danger free, but then most things aren't. When you say you are scared of it, do you mean you get nervous or do you mean when you set foot on a plane you get intense feelings that you can't even describe etc etc For example when in the air, every little noise or tiny bit of turbulance puts the fear of god in me and im wondering was that an engine just fallen and are the trolley dollies just smiling because they get paid too Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Chiefgroover Posted October 17, 2007 Share Posted October 17, 2007 Just remember the pilot knows a lot more about the plane and flying than you, he's probably got a fab looking wife and 4 lovely kids he really wants to see again, and there is no way on this earth he would be flying that thing if he thought it may go down. Still safer than walking. Alternatively, if your born to be shot, you wont be hung, whats for you wont go past you lol. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Supragal Posted October 17, 2007 Share Posted October 17, 2007 For example when in the air, every little noise or tiny bit of turbulance puts the fear of god in me and im wondering was that an engine just fallen and are the trolley dollies just smiling because they get paid too Turbulance scares me big time too. Thing is, if I want to go abroad I don't have much choice so I just get on it and try not to think about it. I'm a non believe in hypnosis though so I wouldn't ever try it personally. Drugs, meh, as long as you got one that blocked the fear response. I say just keep doing it until you're not scared Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
edge Posted October 17, 2007 Author Share Posted October 17, 2007 Just remember the pilot knows a lot more about the plane and flying than you, he's probably got a fab looking wife and 4 lovely kids he really wants to see again, and there is no way on this earth he would be flying that thing if he thought it may go down. Still safer than walking. Alternatively, if your born to be shot, you wont be hung, whats for you wont go past you lol. Yes we are lucky in the uk to have some good pilots. I used to repair/overhaul the "black boxes" bright orange voice recorders and some of the things the pilots used to say get you worried but most of them wasnt uk based. Also if i did manage to get over my fear of flying i would never take an internal flight in a poor country as there rules and regs are alot less strict. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Supragal Posted October 17, 2007 Share Posted October 17, 2007 Also, doesn't the plane do most of it itself anyway? I used to know someone who did something weird with planes, like crash investigation/prevention or something so he was privvy to a lot. I don't know if he was just trying to make me feel better but he assured me that the type of event that would bring a plane down was hard to come by. You'd be more in danger from hijackers then the plane actually failing in a big enough way to crash. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
miko_supra Posted October 17, 2007 Share Posted October 17, 2007 Fly with virgin atlantic. im an engineer on their aircraft and they are top notch Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Guest Danny Guy Posted October 17, 2007 Share Posted October 17, 2007 Also, doesn't the plane do most of it itself anyway? Ive written assembly code for flight navigation systems, i think everything apart from take-off and landings are controlled via computer. If a pilot needs to turn a couple of degrees, climb or fall they turn a dial and the computer will do the work for them providing its on autopilot i think. Even if engines fail the plane's capable of gliding and landing safely. (even the big jumbo's) Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Kopite Posted October 17, 2007 Share Posted October 17, 2007 This worried me haha I may not be able to get online tomorrow as i have sevreal broken airplanes to take care of here in Frankfurt Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Tannhauser Posted October 17, 2007 Share Posted October 17, 2007 With regard to hypnotherapy: As Steve comments above, there are different approaches lying behind hypnotherapy. If you think of going for hypnotherapy, my advice is to phone and enquire if they use psychodynamic techniques. If they do, I would go elsewhere. A psychodynamic therapist may well believe that the fear of flying reflects some deep unconscious conflict, one that needs to be uncovered before you can make any progress. There is very little evidence that this is the case. There are many factors affecting whether hypnotherapy will be effective. I think it stands more chance of succeeding if combined with some CBT (cognitive-behavioural therapy). I don't mean see two different people, just get one that offers both. A good CBT therapist will give you strategies for dealing with the symptoms of stress as well as dealing with irrational thought-patterns, over a short number of sessions. 'Tapping' type therapies are unlikely to be doing anything other than giving a nice placebo, but hey, if it works..... I like the Mindfields approach to therapy, so you could do worse than have a look at their website. Down the drugs route, you could try melatonin. It's not for sale in the UK, but it's easy to get off US nutrition websites. It's the hormone that triggers sleep. I'm a nervous flyer and a 3mg tablet 2 hours before take off will knock me out and deal with jet lag. Watch out on short flights, though, or you'll be really groggy when you get there. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
edge Posted October 17, 2007 Author Share Posted October 17, 2007 With regard to hypnotherapy: As Steve comments above, there are different approaches lying behind hypnotherapy. If you think of going for hypnotherapy, my advice is to phone and enquire if they use psychodynamic techniques. If they do, I would go elsewhere. A psychodynamic therapist may well believe that the fear of flying reflects some deep unconscious conflict, one that needs to be uncovered before you can make any progress. There is very little evidence that this is the case. There are many factors affecting whether hypnotherapy will be effective. I think it stands more chance of succeeding if combined with some CBT (cognitive-behavioural therapy). I don't mean see two different people, just get one that offers both. A good CBT therapist will give you strategies for dealing with the symptoms of stress as well as dealing with irrational thought-patterns, over a short number of sessions. 'Tapping' type therapies are unlikely to be doing anything other than giving a nice placebo, but hey, if it works..... I like the Mindfields approach to therapy, so you could do worse than have a look at their website. Down the drugs route, you could try melatonin. It's not for sale in the UK, but it's easy to get off US nutrition websites. It's the hormone that triggers sleep. I'm a nervous flyer and a 3mg tablet 2 hours before take off will knock me out and deal with jet lag. Watch out on short flights, though, or you'll be really groggy when you get there. Thanks for that. Will get her to ring and ask and take a look at that site. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Supragal Posted October 17, 2007 Share Posted October 17, 2007 The thing that bothers me about drugs (or drinking for that matter) for flying is what happens if there IS a problem and you need to be totally on the ball and functional to act properly. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
gaz1 Posted October 17, 2007 Share Posted October 17, 2007 i had a very bad experience on a plane going to ibiza about 15 yrs ago, everyone on that plane thought they were going to die,(including me) it took 4 years to get me back on one, and even now i hate flying, but on the other hand i love sunny climates, if you look how many planes are in the air in the world at any one time of the day, and how many times in a year one comes down it kinda puts things into perspective;) i tried the beer and sleeping tablets and like you as soon as the engines fired up so did i, sober as a judge within seconds, i feel for you mate as i no how hard it is, but remeber when you get on you will be getting off soon;), oh and for the record the return trip from ibiza for me was a boat and a hired car:D Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
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