GavinL Posted July 7, 2002 Share Posted July 7, 2002 Originally posted by Branners can you get the specs on them as they arent Leon turbos so I would like to know what another company calles a stage3/4. JB and what fuel system he is using as well Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
terence Posted July 14, 2002 Share Posted July 14, 2002 leon uses the same bloke i use, theres nothing special about leons turbos as everyone seam to think, this bloke will build whatever turbo you like to your requirements. hybrids is one thing but having hybrids built to a spec to complement the state of tune of your engine and how you want them to work is another. you should give this other guy a break, we all know that 1.7 bar is excessive unless other parts have been modified, so do you not think that this may have been done. another thing is that some jap spec turbos have steal blades as standard, not all of them are ceramic. my 2.5 tt had steal blades and they were stock items we believe. i ran 18 psi for nearly 2 years and it didnt mis a beat and stock fueling was fine as it was tested and well within its range. remember that the stock ecu can fuel upto 18psi i beleive happily and after that it just runs rich, which is what you want as rich fuel keeps heat temp down . i dont beleive for one minute that this chap is running that sort of presure with out other mods do you. T Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
GavinL Posted July 14, 2002 Share Posted July 14, 2002 Originally posted by terence i dont beleive for one minute that this chap is running that sort of presure with out other mods do you. T err...... yes they blew up a week later terry. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Terminator Posted July 14, 2002 Share Posted July 14, 2002 Originally posted by terence remember that the stock ecu can fuel upto 18psi i beleive happily and after that it just runs rich, which is what you want as rich fuel keeps heat temp down . T The MKIV ecu runs lean after 18psi. Dont know anything about 2.5 TT ecu's. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
GavinL Posted July 14, 2002 Share Posted July 14, 2002 Originally posted by Terminator The MKIV ecu runs lean after 18psi. I think it's the 440cc injectors that are causing that problem not the ECU as such. The number of US Supras running 21-22 psi and blowing turbo's and not engines suggests the ECU is capable of throwing in enough fuel. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Terminator Posted July 14, 2002 Share Posted July 14, 2002 Originally posted by GavinL I think it's the 440cc injectors that are causing that problem not the ECU as such. The number of US Supras running 21-22 psi and blowing turbo's and not engines suggests the ECU is capable of throwing in enough fuel. You guys share the same ecu as the US car, is the fuel map the same on Jap spec? Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Branners Posted July 14, 2002 Share Posted July 14, 2002 Originally posted by terence leon uses the same bloke i use, theres nothing special about leons turbos as everyone seam to think, this bloke will build whatever turbo you like to your requirements. hybrids is one thing but having hybrids built to a spec to complement the state of tune of your engine and how you want them to work is another. you should give this other guy a break, we all know that 1.7 bar is excessive unless other parts have been modified, so do you not think that this may have been done. another thing is that some jap spec turbos have steal blades as standard, not all of them are ceramic. my 2.5 tt had steal blades and they were stock items we believe. i ran 18 psi for nearly 2 years and it didnt mis a beat and stock fueling was fine as it was tested and well within its range. remember that the stock ecu can fuel upto 18psi i beleive happily and after that it just runs rich, which is what you want as rich fuel keeps heat temp down . i dont beleive for one minute that this chap is running that sort of presure with out other mods do you. T But Terry, that was on a mkiii so you cant say some Jap mkivs have steel blades. And to say Leon uses the same turbo guy as you is funny, he has used that turbo guy for many years and you found out who it was and went down there to try and get the turbo specs. Tell you what, you get some hybrids knocked up to a spec you think is good and then show us what your car can do and we might just believe you, till then Leon is the only person who has spent time and money developing hybrids for the mkivs so I know who Im going to stick with. JB Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
terence Posted July 15, 2002 Share Posted July 15, 2002 >that was on a mkiii so you cant say some Jap mkivs have steel blades. actually no it wasnt the 2.5 tt mkiii we were talking about at the time, it was the mkiv jap spec ones of a certain year. >Leon uses the same turbo guy as you is funny, he has used that turbo guy for many years and you found out who it was and went down there to try and get the turbo specs. wrong, i used this chap after using others that i didnt like and then found out leon was using him also, nothing wrong in that, and this is the same chap that told me about jap spec steal blades too. i never went anywhere near leon or his turbos or asked about his spec so I dont know where you got that from ? >you get some hybrids knocked up to a spec yes i am in that process right now and they will be running along side nitros, reason for this is I am not prepared to spend thousands buying HKS turbos that you'l never recoup the money on in order to make a fast car, you only have to look at this blitz car floating about, that cost a whole heap of money and it's selling for very little in comparison to what it cost to build. >Leon is the only person who has spent time and money developing hybrids for the mkivs leon paid for someone else to develop the turbos, the same as i have done in the past, you verbaly ask for turbos to acheive a result, this is what this chap does, anybody can ask to do that. this is what i ment by nothing special, not that leons turbos in his car arnt special, they are, hks ones i beleive. its not what you buy and how much you pay, its how you use it that counts. ive been an engineer for 14 years and done nothing else but engines in cars and bikes and there are other poeple out there who know a whole lot more than me but my knoweledge has not let me down yet. and yes JB you will be one of the first people i come hunting for when my cars finished i promise. i cant drive my car as well as i ride my race bike but i do alright so if you want to trade some paint thats fine, LOL Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Branners Posted July 15, 2002 Share Posted July 15, 2002 So your saying that when DaveS needed to change his turbos you didnt talk to Leon or try and find out what spec turbos Leon uses? Okay then, tell us all what year import Supras had steel blades and somebody here can check it. Hmm, going for a really good comparison then, a car with nitrous compared to all the other cars on here which dont run nitrous. The idea is to tune a car so it runs reliably for a long period of time, anybody can just whack nitrous in a car and hope it lasts a month or so. And yes, Leon runs HKS twins. He used to have hybrids in there, his first set built to his own spec, but with hybrids you can only get so much power, unless of course you want to run nitrous and then push the engine and turbos way beyond what they should do. No point in coming 'hunting for me' to 'trade paint', I sold my 12s 1/4 mile import to buy a bone stock UK spec, but of course if you want to run in the 10 of the Best event on the 4th August then theres a space open (oh no wait for it.....'my car wont be ready by then'). You build up a reputation as somebody who can tune and work on mkivs like Leon or Paul Whiffin and we might show you some respect, until then I just remember you for that tatty abortion of a front spoiler you had on your mkiii. Alright mate. JB Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Guest Martin F Posted July 15, 2002 Share Posted July 15, 2002 Originally posted by terence yes i am in that process right now and they will be running along side nitros, reason for this is I am not prepared to spend thousands buying HKS turbos that you'l never recoup the money on in order to make a fast car, you only have to look at this blitz car floating about, that cost a whole heap of money and it's selling for very little in comparison to what it cost to build. Hi Martin here. I'm sure it's not just me but i thought only a fool hoped to recoup any investment in a car, unless it's a classic restoration. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
GavinL Posted July 15, 2002 Share Posted July 15, 2002 Originally posted by Terminator You guys share the same ecu as the US car, is the fuel map the same on Jap spec? Martin can you confirm if the part numbers for the J-spec/Euro spec ECU are the same. I would be suprised if they are given that the two cars have differing turbos and injectors. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Guest Martin F Posted July 15, 2002 Share Posted July 15, 2002 Originally posted by GavinL Martin can you confirm if the part numbers for the J-spec/Euro spec ECU are the same. I can, but i'm 100% sure that they are different. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Branners Posted July 15, 2002 Share Posted July 15, 2002 Arent the pinouts different anyway? Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Guest Martin F Posted July 15, 2002 Share Posted July 15, 2002 Yep i think there are some differences for things like the MAP and the MAF etc. However many are the same like the injectors and some of the sensor's. Also the manual and auto ECU's are different as well. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
GavinL Posted July 15, 2002 Share Posted July 15, 2002 Originally posted by Martin F Yep i think there are some differences for things like the MAP and the MAF etc. However many are the same like the injectors and some of the sensor's. Also the manual and auto ECU's are different as well. That's what I thought, thanks Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
terence Posted July 15, 2002 Share Posted July 15, 2002 >So your saying that when DaveS needed to change his turbos you didnt talk to Leon or try and find out what spec turbos Leon uses? david asked me to look at his car as leon had already looked at it and told him he needed new turbos, it was very low on some cylinders, ran a little lumpy and smoked a little, and performance was down. when i was told how much the turbos from leon were going to be, i did call him to find out what they were going to be for the monies involved. that was for the turbo's leon was going to supply to david for his car only, nothing else. i dont know about you but i wouldnt give anyone any money for anything unless i knew what i was getting so i asked him, thats all. thats the only time ive spoken to loen as he clearly didnt want to get involved, i would guess that was something to do with me doing davids car as apposed to him, i would have been miffed too probably. it was only a week or so later. you are giving me and others the impression i tried to rob leon of his knowledge, thats not the case, i havent even spoken to the bloke since. >Okay then, tell us all what year import Supras had steel blades and somebody here can check it. i was told this by the the same chap who does these turbos, i cant remember off hand but i'll ask again shortly as i hope to be seeing him soon, thats not something I made up, that was told to me by goerge himself. >a car with nitrous compared to all the other cars on here which dont run nitrous. The idea is to tune a car so it runs reliably for a long period of time, anybody can just whack nitrous in a car and hope it lasts a month or so. I am fully aware you can only acheive so much reworking stock turbo's with the exception of changing the inlet housings etc, the reason im using nitros is to bring down the lag factor created by turbo's, rather than sit there waiting for it to happen. purley to help spool them up earlier simply cos of the lag created by the state of tune. How much I use i dont know and testing it all when finished will determin saftey margins. I used nitro on a drag bike that was used to run at santa pod which did 9.89 1/4 miles, so i am aware off how to use nos, havent had it in a car though but the principle is the same. we shall see. Im using it cos pound for pound its cheap horse power if used right, and the reason for that is most of my money I use in my bike racing so the car comes second best, I like supras but not to the point of spending all my money or loads on extra goodies, Im buying all that I can for the money im prepared to spend to build a quick car, I got my car for a good price and will only spend what i am comfortable with on it, if we were all loaded we would all have top supras cos money wouldnt be an issue. now my bikes, thats diferent, ive just spent £380 on 2 sets of dunlop slicks, had my ohlins race shock reworked at a cost of £140 ish for new settings at brands and just completed long dyno tests on this engine for a £160 track day next monday, bikes are my passion, that is just for one track day and thats b4 you fall off, thats when the cost goes up, i cant justify £500 on an exhaust for a supra but £1400 for a tatanium Mig system for my race bike I can, cos im serious about my racing, but dont feel that way about the cars. ( cant afford to be like that either ) This is why im using nos to aid performance, the kit was cheap and if used correctly will give more performance for the lowish cost coupled with the rest of the cheap goodies ive got so far. >August then theres a space open (oh no wait for it.....'my car wont be ready by then'). you are very right, my bike racing takes up all my time but I wouldnt pitch my car against some elses just to see whos best, I wasnt doing for that reason. harmless fun down the 1/4 mile whens its finished maybe, but just to have a nice car really. >You build up a reputation as somebody who can tune and work on mkivs like Leon or Paul Whiffin and we might show you some respect, until then I just remember you for that tatty abortion of a front spoiler you had on your mkiii. Alright mate. I am not trying to build a reputation and i have nothing against loen or anyone else for that matter and i certainly dont want or need your respect, the people I have helped and work that i have done has been good and they have been very pleased. I know what I can and cant do and dont have to explain to you either. the front bumper for mkiii was'nt all that ( really wanted a mkiv so my heart wasnt in it really ) and it was my first one done in a matter of hours to give an idea, funny how that sold and some others, cant be that bad or to everyones taste, I dont like the veilsides but i like paul whiffins but i dont go around slagging off the veilside. or were you trying to upset me ? But since you do and have been pretty rude so will i. I neither care what you or anyone else thinks, im not out to prove anything least of all to you, dont bother replying to this mail cos i cant be bothered to talk to a muppet like you, no wonder people leave the site if your like this. And gaivin I have two ecu's here as I sad b4, one out of my sup and one out of a uk car as i was told, as i have only the front end of this car with no chassi no's to tell me otherwise and you having bought it up on this list after I told you they were the same part no's cos I have two of them, i contacted my mate and have since found out that car is a jap spec car not a uk as i thought, so I was wrong, it does appear they are different, so if anyone wants a jap spec ecu I have one cheap ( except Branners that is ). Now i sujest mr branners you leave it at this, i have done nothing to you but if you carry on trying to offend me I will sort the issues you have with me out personaly as its not fair to use the list, dont you run this list site, does that mean you have the right to say what you like or something. let me guess Ive read all that you wrote the wrong way, LOL Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Alex Posted July 15, 2002 Share Posted July 15, 2002 So which control system are you using for the NOS? I think the whole NOS thing is in a way "cheating" if used for top end but as an anti-lag system its a really good idea. As you develop your car I for one would be interested to see how it progresses especially the post hybrid, before and after NOS reaction/dyno figures. With reference to a dyno not being worthwhile I think you have to not get carried away with peak power and peak torque and see how the car performs across the rev range for that alone it should be good to compare Non-NOS to antilag-NOS. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Branners Posted July 15, 2002 Share Posted July 15, 2002 Nope, you read everything right. You may not realise but I also own the Smartgroups list, yes the one you were on moderation on for so long which is why Im watching your posts so closely. And yes, I do have a reputation for being abrupt with people, but those people I respect never get any crap from me. DaveS has also explained his side of things so if I made it appear in anyway that he went about things the wrong way then I apologise to him. A lot of people on here know you from the mail list, so do bear that in mind when posting replies. JB Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
tDR Posted July 15, 2002 Share Posted July 15, 2002 LOL did I miss something between Branners and Terrence being new to the board an all? What happened that was so bad that it's down to handbags at dawn now? :baa: Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
terence Posted July 15, 2002 Share Posted July 15, 2002 Mr branners, Im getting a little pi**ed off with this, >Nope, you read everything right. You may not realise but I also own the Smartgroups list, yes the one you were on moderation on for so long which is why Im watching your posts so closely. So you are deliberatley trying to annoy me, i really dont like the way you imply things without actually saying things outright. >but those people I respect never get any crap from me. so by giving me crap as you say you dont respect me, thats fine, but personaly I have never been able to make a judgment about anybody I dont know, you know nothing about me, but I feel I know you well enough to comment on you now. I think you are a twit, >A lot of people on here know you from the mail list, so do bear that in mind when posting replies. getting mail from you is like being at school, youve been such a naughty boy terry, im going to have to say bad things. grow up mr branners, i have no problem with other people at all except you cos you started this rubbish, i will speak my mind and no one has actually offended me so much as you have. if i and others are not able to say their veiws and opinions without you jumping down their necks then whats the point of the list, christ if we were all like you we'd all be in shi* street. no ive said my pece and i take your notes too, thats the end of it as far as im concerned, all the above is said without meaning to cause a fence, if you dont like it, get a gate post. LOL ( joke ) Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
terence Posted July 15, 2002 Share Posted July 15, 2002 alex i hope to be able to use the nos to reduce the lag in the turbos, whenever you tune turbos you usually sacrifice something, and top end usually means high lag, I plan on using the nos to reduce this, the nos will only be used in the full throttle position when the car is about to excellerate and go off after a time delay. whilst crusing around you would just drive the car normally and when you boot it it would use the nos to increase the excelleration of the engine which in turn naturally spools the turbos earleir. the idea being, by making the turbos spool earlier which is what i want i can have turbos that have some lag low done but give good midrange and top end have my cake and eat it so to speak. I dont like the idea of using nos throughout the whole rev range as temps become to high and using nos and turbo boost will lead to problems. this way the temps will be low down the rev range and nos woould have expired as the turbos come on line, fueling will be important obviuosly but i think its possible. the turbos will go true set up cos i fazing out the nos and no1 working and bring on no 2, will be to much to fuel accuratley without ecu work and remapping. the idea is to use the nos to aid the turbos , not un with it or instead off. My whole car is being rebuilt from top to bottom and photos along with text will be posted when completed. i hope totake the car to chris wilson for fuel set up as i dont have the diagnostics here to do it, and i dont care how good someone says they are the fuel set up, without seeing it on a dyno i would trust it, you only got to do it once and its done safe in the knoweledge all is fine. Terry Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Dragonball Posted July 15, 2002 Share Posted July 15, 2002 'kin 'ell guys Give it a rest - my eyes are going all fuzzy trying to understand the insults! So as far as I can understand it ... nah...I dont! So it's a choice of yellow or green handbags from 10 yards - no scatching or biting or pulling of perms LOL Now just dont start on me - I'm a newbie (says so after my name) - and I dont understand F*** all about ceramics or nowt or who Leon is!! Paul:cool: Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Bradb Posted July 15, 2002 Author Share Posted July 15, 2002 Great use of the sunglasses emoticon Paul.. I'll give ya that. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Matt Harwood Posted July 15, 2002 Share Posted July 15, 2002 Not a Newbie any more! Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
tDR Posted July 16, 2002 Share Posted July 16, 2002 Originally posted by Paul E 'kin 'ell guys Give it a rest - my eyes are going all fuzzy trying to understand the insults! So as far as I can understand it ... nah...I dont! So it's a choice of yellow or green handbags from 10 yards - no scatching or biting or pulling of perms LOL Now just dont start on me - I'm a newbie (says so after my name) - and I dont understand F*** all about ceramics or nowt or who Leon is!! Paul:cool: Ceramics - What the jap spec MkIV Supra Turbo impellers are made of. Steel - What the UK spec MkIV Supra Turbo impellers are made of. Leon - Trusted and Well respected tuner on this board. See also 'Chris Wilson', 'Paul Whiffin' (dude that can get you stuff), 'TRL Performance' et all. I'm a n00b too and look what I learned! Pay More attention Paul! Dunno why it's handbags from 10 yards between Branners and Terrence tho Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
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