cookci Posted September 27, 2007 Share Posted September 27, 2007 He was on his mobile and got pulled on an open road by a policeman on foot!! I was wondering what would of likely happened if he had just driven off as that would of been by reaction lol Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Havard Posted September 27, 2007 Share Posted September 27, 2007 If the copper had got his plate then he'd have either got a fixed penalty or/and a summons for failure to stop for a Police officer!! Doug will be along shortly to clarify!! H. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Burna Posted September 27, 2007 Share Posted September 27, 2007 If the copper had got his plate then he'd have either got a fixed penalty or/and a summons for failure to stop for a Police officer!! Doug will be along shortly to clarify!! H. Sounds about right to me. Did your mate get fined cookci? Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
400BHP Posted September 27, 2007 Share Posted September 27, 2007 He should have known better than to be on his mobile, I hope this ends up with the same sort of stigma as drink driving Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
cookci Posted September 27, 2007 Author Share Posted September 27, 2007 Sounds about right to me. Did your mate get fined cookci? Lol yes. 1 policeman spotted him and made him sign the form!!! £60 and 3 points!!! He was gutted!!! If i had of stopped I think I would of been inclined to not sign also I cant beleive something like this could go to court!? Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Havard Posted September 27, 2007 Share Posted September 27, 2007 He should have known better than to be on his mobile, I hope this ends up with the same sort of stigma as drink driving Very true! There are some right ignorant pricks out there. You can gaurantee that if you look down a line of cars at a set of lights there will be someone on a phone. I thought the fine was up to £1000 but it still hasn't stopped people..... H. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
cookci Posted September 27, 2007 Author Share Posted September 27, 2007 He should have known better than to be on his mobile, I hope this ends up with the same sort of stigma as drink driving thats not the point im trying to make... He had to make a very quick decision whether to stop or not and he did!!! If I was in the sane situation I doubt id of stopped... its a company car also... everyone uses it!! Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
cookci Posted September 27, 2007 Author Share Posted September 27, 2007 BTW I love my parrot handsfree Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
TonyP Posted September 27, 2007 Share Posted September 27, 2007 thats not the point im trying to make... He had to make a very quick decision whether to stop or not and he did!!! If I was in the sane situation I doubt id of stopped... its a company car also... everyone uses it!! A copper signals for you to stop and you'd just drive off? Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
tbourner Posted September 27, 2007 Share Posted September 27, 2007 You can gaurantee that if you look down a line of cars at a set of lights there will be someone on a phone. H. So? What's wrong with doing it in traffic? There was someone recently who got fined for using a phone whilst in traffic, it turned out he was repositioning his bluetooth in his ear!!! Call records showed no phone call at that time. The fine didn't get refunded. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
jaw Posted September 27, 2007 Share Posted September 27, 2007 So is it physically holding a phone that gets punished? its just in theory other bluetooth kits still take your attention from the road when answering or making calls? not sure what their stance is on this.. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Class One Posted September 27, 2007 Share Posted September 27, 2007 He was on his mobile and got pulled on an open road by a policeman on foot!! I was wondering what would of likely happened if he had just driven off as that would of been by reaction lol I expect the PC would have taken his registration, circulated the details via the radio and your mate would have either been arrested for failing to stop and also reported for using his phone. As you can't give a ticket out for two offences he would have more than likely ended up in court gripping the rail and looking at 6 points + big fine + costs. If the copper had got his plate then he'd have either got a fixed penalty or/and a summons for failure to stop for a Police officer!! Doug will be along shortly to clarify!! H. Lol yes. 1 policeman spotted him and made him sign the form!!! £60 and 3 points!!! He was gutted!!! If i had of stopped I think I would of been inclined to not sign also I cant beleive something like this could go to court!? You don't have to sign anything, however you'll still get issued with a fixed penalty OR reported for summons and either have your licence seized there or then or be be given a notice to surrender your licence at your chosen Police Station within 7 days from midnight from the day after the date of the alleged offence. And yes something like this could quite easily go to court. Especially if you fail the attitude test or not accept the fixed panlty at the roadside. The attitude test would consist or a rationale along the lines of if you argue on the roadside then you'll fail the test and you can then make your argument in court. Court is the place for an argument, not the roadside. thats not the point im trying to make... He had to make a very quick decision whether to stop or not and he did!!! If I was in the sane situation I doubt id of stopped... its a company car also... everyone uses it!! Your choice. Just remember this. Your employer will be sent a notice of disclosure and last week the Govt decided to up the penalty to 6 points + fine to those who fail to disclose who was using the car etc etc. So? What's wrong with doing it in traffic? There was someone recently who got fined for using a phone whilst in traffic, it turned out he was repositioning his bluetooth in his ear!!! Call records showed no phone call at that time. The fine didn't get refunded. I would imagine that he got done for not being in proper control. It used to be the offence drivers were reported for prior to the specific offence of using a moble was written into Road Traffic law. Not knowing the full circumstances I couldn't coment further but i would hedge my bets on that. So is it physically holding a phone that gets punished? its just in theory other bluetooth kits still take your attention from the road when answering or making calls? not sure what their stance is on this.. It's covered in the Road safety Act and there are exceptions at to when you CAN use a hand held mobile. But the advice of the Government is even if you are hands free you should pull over and make/take your call rather than continue to drive. Even Police officers are no longer exempt and cannot use their radios whilst driving, they have to use a hands free set. Same for cabbies and Ambulance staff and the Fire Service. EVERYONE has to use hands free. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
RedM Posted September 27, 2007 Share Posted September 27, 2007 Even Police officers are no longer exempt and cannot use their radios whilst driving, they have to use a hands free set. Same for cabbies and Ambulance staff and the Fire Service. EVERYONE has to use hands free. How do I report the copper I saw on a mobile whilst driving then? Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Ric Posted September 27, 2007 Share Posted September 27, 2007 and all the time you see on the police camera action sort of programs where a pc is in high speed chase and using his radio on his chest, rofl. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Daston Posted September 27, 2007 Share Posted September 27, 2007 yeah Police camara action tends to be old footage tho dosnt it? Problem I have is when acelerating hard (up to the national speed limit) my phone normally shoots out of the space below the cd player and ends up on my lap. Really must put it in the storage space thingy. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Ian C Posted September 27, 2007 Share Posted September 27, 2007 I don't like the idea that you can't have a reasonable discussion with the copper Sounds like if they accuse you of something that perhaps you didn't actually do, then you either accept it despite being innocent, or have a court case hang over you for 6 months during which time some previously non-existent evidence may, ahem, manifest and you get hit even harder! Is the attitude test as rigid as that? "I saw you give me the finger, £60 please" "Actually officer, I was getting an eyelash out of-" "Right! That's it! You're nicked sonny!" I mean if you scream and shout or give the officer 'attitude' I can understand it because there are some real arseholes out there, but is it possible to have a reasonable chat and sort it out or is that instant grounds for a court case? Glad to see the punishment for sticking to your basic right to silence (void where prohibited by law) has gone up -Ian Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
markjodrell Posted September 27, 2007 Share Posted September 27, 2007 He should have known better than to be on his mobile, I hope this ends up with the same sort of stigma as drink driving Its all too easy to point fingers and tut here , tut tut there, okay talking on a mobile maybe slightly dangerous as it can distract the concentraction, but its certainly no more irresponsible than speeding on a public highway.......many more people are killed due to speeding cars than using a mobile while driving............NOT that anyone on here would ever speed on a public highway, would they.... Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
tbourner Posted September 27, 2007 Share Posted September 27, 2007 Wrong /\ Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
markjodrell Posted September 27, 2007 Share Posted September 27, 2007 Wrong /\ What is ? Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
tbourner Posted September 27, 2007 Share Posted September 27, 2007 That more people are killed by speed than lack of concentration. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
markjodrell Posted September 27, 2007 Share Posted September 27, 2007 That more people are killed by speed than lack of concentration. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Class One Posted September 27, 2007 Share Posted September 27, 2007 and all the time you see on the police camera action sort of programs where a pc is in high speed chase and using his radio on his chest, rofl. Most Police Camera Action stuff is well old, the new regs came into force last year. I don't like the idea that you can't have a reasonable discussion with the copper Sounds like if they accuse you of something that perhaps you didn't actually do, then you either accept it despite being innocent, or have a court case hang over you for 6 months during which time some previously non-existent evidence may, ahem, manifest and you get hit even harder! Is the attitude test as rigid as that? "I saw you give me the finger, £60 please" "Actually officer, I was getting an eyelash out of-" "Right! That's it! You're nicked sonny!" I mean if you scream and shout or give the officer 'attitude' I can understand it because there are some real arseholes out there, but is it possible to have a reasonable chat and sort it out or is that instant grounds for a court case? Glad to see the punishment for sticking to your basic right to silence (void where prohibited by law) has gone up -Ian Reasonable discussion is not the same as having an argument.Hypothetically if someone was screaming and shouting at me in the street, then that wouldn't be reasonable would it? You know Ian, that the attitude test can be down to the individual that applies it. Everyone has what they would consider to be a reasonable attitude and I would apply my attitude towards someone and treat them in the way that I hope I would like to be treated. The initial response to my first question of " Could you join me on the pavement for a chat please?" can speak volumes about the person that you're about to deal with. However, there are times when a reasonable discussion isn't an option. Road Traffic Policing is the one area that is likely to cause the most friction between a generally law abiding public and the Police. The motoring classes as a rule seem to think they have a God given right to do as they please, (eg we all speed) and when they are challenged about it they don't like it. Who would? People are different when they're behind the wheel, I am, you are, we all are. Look at the rise in road rage. People don't like it when they're behind the wheel that they've done something wrong. As I've said previously many times before I've let off far more people over minor road traffic offences than I have ever reported people for, but the times they are a changing. Now there are Government dictats and policies and performance figures and efficiency regulations and justifications for what you've done in your shift. The Coppers' greatest power, the one of discretion, is being slowly erroded by those who run the show. As for the new penalty of 6 points for failure to Disclose following a Section 172 Notice, well IMO, this is an absolute disgrace. It makes a total arse of the purpose of the points system. The points system was intrioduced, to give the Police and the Courts an "at a glance" record of a drivers convictions for moving road traffic offences. Now it seeks to undermine that system by punishing those who fail to give details of a driver at a certain time, date and place. The Government/Parliament determine the laws of the land and the penalties for breaching them. This is the same Govt that says it listens to the electorate and tries to make itself more open and stand for integrity and values and yet it plainly does not. Those No10 petitions are not worth the effort. Not one jot. Thank f*ck I just count paperclips these days . Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Ian C Posted September 27, 2007 Share Posted September 27, 2007 Cheers Doug Yep, screaming at a copper is so so never going to help. I was just wondering if it was possible still to have a reasoned discussion and maybe straighten things out or even apologise for a temporary moment of fuckwittery. Seems like, for now, it is On the rare occasions I interact with the police I'm always calm and rational Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Havard Posted September 27, 2007 Share Posted September 27, 2007 So? What's wrong with doing it in traffic? There was someone recently who got fined for using a phone whilst in traffic, it turned out he was repositioning his bluetooth in his ear!!! Call records showed no phone call at that time. The fine didn't get refunded. Trev, are you seriously suggesting that it is ok to make a phone call if you are sat at a set of lights then? If you can conduct a phone call exactly between the lights turning red and back to green with out moving the car at all then you are a better man than me. Then again I'm a sales rep so what would I know about making calls on the move!! In 2007 there is no excuse for not having a hands free kit. If you are pulled up at the side of the road and parked legally then chat away but I have seen too many people wandering all over the place and not indicating etc and lo and behold they are on a fooking phone when you finally get near them!! H. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
creative Posted September 27, 2007 Share Posted September 27, 2007 Cheers Doug Yep, screaming at a copper is so so never going to help. I was just wondering if it was possible still to have a reasoned discussion and maybe straighten things out or even apologise for a temporary moment of fuckwittery. Seems like, for now, it is On the rare occasions I interact with the police I'm always calm and rational Yes you can! I recently got pulled by an unmarked copper for 2 reasons/offenses. Everything was calm and we chatted about what I had done. They checked the car over and all was ok... no points on my licence and my personal check came up clean. He gave me a warning and marked my card and that was that. very reasonable chaps, took everything i said into consideration when I was caught red handed(my spidey sense wasn't working that night:D ). I should have really ended up in court for it but due to these 2 officers... im not! Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
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