tbourner Posted December 1, 2004 Share Posted December 1, 2004 What's the best option? Since Thor, I'm apparently running slightly lean at about 4000 - 4500 revs, the torque drops slightly and there is a noticeable drop in grunt (check my maps - a link is on the top of the page in both pic links in my sig!). What's the difference between the 2? Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Matt Harwood Posted December 1, 2004 Share Posted December 1, 2004 The SAFC2 is a good little unit, but it's very basic compared to the E-manage. It has 12 points of adjustment, and a hi/lo throttle setting. The E-manage has a 16x16 fuel map of RPM vs Throttle position giving you 256 adjustment points. Add to this that it can also do (optionally), ignition adjustment, increase injector duration, data logging, link to a boost controller. Note that I haven't gone into what they can display, but the E-manage wins here too. IMO, It's the intermediate point between the SAFC and a standalone. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Soonto_HAS_soop Posted December 1, 2004 Share Posted December 1, 2004 Originally posted by Matt Harwood The SAFC2 is a good little unit, but it's very basic compared to the E-manage. It has 12 points of adjustment, and a hi/lo throttle setting. The E-manage has a 16x16 fuel map of RPM vs Throttle position giving you 256 adjustment points. Add to this that it can also do (optionally), ignition adjustment, increase injector duration, data logging, link to a boost controller. Note that I haven't gone into what they can display, but the E-manage wins here too. IMO, It's the intermediate point between the SAFC and a standalone. Matt, the optional harness to monitor items via the E-01, what ECU pins did you cut them into?? I still need to install the harness and wondered what items you decidd to monitor with the harness. Hijack over Go for the Emanage, it allows for future proofing. B.. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Wez Posted December 1, 2004 Share Posted December 1, 2004 Originally posted by Matt Harwood The E-manage has a 16x16 fuel map of RPM vs Throttle position giving you 256 adjustment points. Hey Matt, Shouldn`t it be RPM vs Engine Load as different gears will have different fueling requirements for the same throttle vs rpm? Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Performa Posted December 1, 2004 Share Posted December 1, 2004 imo if you are going to spend £200-300 on something that for your management system, i will go for the e-manage, as its a much more advance system, plus ignition timing, boost control, and much detail afr map, as least you know you dont have to spend another few ££ for another unit afterward. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Matt Harwood Posted December 1, 2004 Share Posted December 1, 2004 Originally posted by Wez Hey Matt, Shouldn`t it be RPM vs Engine Load as different gears will have different fueling requirements for the same throttle vs rpm? Strictly speaking, yes. But in standard form, this is how it's configured. IMHO a lot of the load issues are generally low rpm/throttle/crusiing scenarios and the stock ECU is still in closed loop mode which compensates for this. I believe the E-manage can be reconfigured, but mine is left as intended... For now... The ignition adjustments are based on load vs RPM. Again, it comes down to inferior piggyback problems and trade-offs, but for what's available, and for the price it costs, it's one of the best systems available, both VFM and features/adjustment. Ben, the only thing I've currently got wired to mine, is AFR. I want to monitor intake temperature at some point, (pre and post TB)but hevn't got around to it yet. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
tbourner Posted December 1, 2004 Author Share Posted December 1, 2004 I'm guessing Fields type wiring harness is a good idea too? Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Matt Harwood Posted December 1, 2004 Share Posted December 1, 2004 Originally posted by tbourner I'm guessing Fields type wiring harness is a good idea too? Well worth it! Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
paul mac Posted December 1, 2004 Share Posted December 1, 2004 What's the difference between the 2? [/b] Originally posted by tbourner if your only running stock turbos an safc would be more than enough, saying that was'nt dude running single turbo and big injectors with one and making big power, if moneys no object go with the e-manage as it will be future-proof, but the setting up, instalation and mapping will cost as much as the unit itself, if your on a budget go with the safc, thor do a fixed price for instalation and set-up i think Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
SimonB Posted December 1, 2004 Share Posted December 1, 2004 Originally posted by paul mac What's the difference between the 2? Originally posted by tbourner if moneys no object go with the e-manage as it will be future-proof, but the setting up, instalation and mapping will cost as much as the unit itself, if your on a budget go with the safc, thor do a fixed price for instalation and set-up i think [/b] Setting up an Emanage to a basic level should be no different to a SAFC, they both do the same thing - i.e. change the airflow signal into the ECU. Sure you can do extra stuff with the Emanage, and there are various add ons you can have but you don't have to use that. It just makes it upgradeable. If you bought a plain Emanage with no extras it would only be what, 30 or 40 quid more than a SAFC? You'd have to get someone with the support tool to set it up for you as there'd be no display for that of course. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Terminator Posted December 1, 2004 Share Posted December 1, 2004 E-manage. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Matt Harwood Posted December 1, 2004 Share Posted December 1, 2004 Originally posted by Terminator Let's Torque I'm always right You heard the man! Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Jake Posted December 1, 2004 Share Posted December 1, 2004 Originally posted by SimonB If you bought a plain Emanage with no extras it would only be what, 30 or 40 quid more than a SAFC? I've got a brand new e-manage here that I'm not going to be using now. £195 if any member wants it. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Miguel Posted December 1, 2004 Share Posted December 1, 2004 Out of interest what route are you taking Jake? Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Jake Posted December 1, 2004 Share Posted December 1, 2004 I'm taking the "Has realised he can't afford a single" route. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Miguel Posted December 1, 2004 Share Posted December 1, 2004 Opps sorry mate! Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
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