Alex Posted September 13, 2007 Share Posted September 13, 2007 both posts... You're missing a vital point or 2. WMSC made up of mainly Ferrari people. Ferrari have been caught cheating numerous times and not punished. Intellectual Property moves about all the time as people change jobs between teams. Frank Williams said about this this week. NOTHING HAS BEEN PROVED...the FIA have admitted that! Ferrari Engineer gave the info away, which led to Ferrari's car being proven to breaking the rules again. Ferrari engineer should have been dealt with internally by Ferrari, instead Ferrari went crying to the press. McLarens car was faster from preseason testing...why go backwards?! No doubt they could have learned a bit more about the suspension kinematic's due to the shift to Bridgestones, but then Bridgestone should have supplied all the teams with that so that they were all on a level playing field! Something Ferrari hate. etc etc No team is whiter than white....but Ferrari is so dirty... Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
merckx Posted September 13, 2007 Share Posted September 13, 2007 Interesting quote from the press conference. We are also continually asked if McLaren didn't use the information, what was the reason for Stepney and Coughlan collecting all this data about Ferrari? We can only speculate as neither Coughlan nor Stepney gave evidence at today's hearing, but we do know that they were both seeking employment with other teams, as already confirmed by both Honda and Toyota Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
b_have Posted September 13, 2007 Share Posted September 13, 2007 Personal I'd enjoy seeing that ugly troll-like fucker, Jean Todt getting a pasting. Big fat fuck Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
paul_y3k Posted September 13, 2007 Share Posted September 13, 2007 only certain people can afford Ferrari's : Ferrari as a brand USED to be exclusive, but now with everywhere you go you can buy Ferrari branded crap such as trainers and aftershave etc. they are interested in commerical returns as much as the next man Im afriad. Ferrari now as a brand doesn't even hold a candle to the likes of Lambo's, Zonda's etc etc Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
ivan Posted September 13, 2007 Share Posted September 13, 2007 I think all the teams should withdraw. The whole thing is a shambles, a charade. Ferrari have ruined it for everyone. This years championship is now worthless, whoever wins it whether it be a Ferrari or McLaren driver, their win will be tainted. I expect no-one wants to win it now. What a crock of shite. No I think you'll find Ferrari want to win it, at any cost, no matter how tarnished it is. Ferrari cheats, gets told to change things. Gets the whistleblower sacked and dragged through the courts. Everyone said whistleblower touches gets ripped to shreds ie McLaren. Michelin run the same tyre for 3 years...Ferrari on Bridgestones get the FIA to rule the Michelin tyre when the Michelin runners start to beat Ferrari. Mass Dampers run by Renault...Ferrari bitch, cause Renault are winning. Ferrari have broken the rules so many times it's untrue...yet they just get quietly asked to stop... EDIT forgot the barge board incident - Schumi/Fezza won both titles with illegal barge boards, when it was decided that they were illegal, no action was taken to strip them of points...DOUBLE FOOKIN STANDARDS. Ferrari have already aid it doesn't matter how they win as long as they do: http://www.autosport.com/news/report.php/id/62275 and that they are satisfied with McLarens punishment: http://www.autosport.com/news/report.php/id/62315 The cheating eyetie barstards. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
mattanna Posted September 13, 2007 Share Posted September 13, 2007 Ferrari as a brand USED to be exclusive, but now with everywhere you go you can buy Ferrari branded crap such as trainers and aftershave etc. they are interested in commerical returns as much as the next man Im afriad. Ferrari now as a brand doesn't even hold a candle to the likes of Lambo's, Zonda's etc etc And what has this got to do with buying cars? Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
TLicense Posted September 13, 2007 Author Share Posted September 13, 2007 you mean every british fan, so they would endorse cheating? which is obviously the case hence the penalty, whether it was Stepney's doing or not, fact is no other team has been seen to hold a technical dossier of anothers team specs, Yes they have. Toyota were seen to have other ferrari documents a couple of years ago. It was sorted in the civil courts. whether or not they all have people taking photos of other cars etc, i do agree though that the "sport" is a farce, but i doubt that is entirely Ferrari's fault, as i said before more likely the car manufacturers fault, hence Ferrari's anger towards many of them, they have only ever built race cars, not diesel estates, trucks, vans etc, etc Rubbish! At the level where these decisions are made, those kind of politics don't come into it. For example Adrian Newey at Red Bull wouldn't have anything to do with the companies other divisions. Same deal here at Spyker. Ferrari want to win as much as McLaren or anyone else. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
RedM Posted September 14, 2007 Share Posted September 14, 2007 Personal I'd enjoy seeing that ugly troll-like fucker, Jean Todt getting a pasting. Big fat fuck Him or me? Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
neil tt Posted September 14, 2007 Share Posted September 14, 2007 I think Ferrari have just as many comercial intrest as the rest of them. If they are not at the front they wouldn't get the same kind of sponsorship deals, and I still think they are allowed to do what they want:( WAN-ERS Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
paul_y3k Posted September 14, 2007 Share Posted September 14, 2007 And what has this got to do with buying cars? Brand awareness, Ferrari are in the business of making money the same as the next man. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Alex Posted September 14, 2007 Share Posted September 14, 2007 The FIA verdict/list of excuses should be published today. I actually hope it has something damning in it to justify their actions....but I fear it will be blatently obvious they've taken 2+2 and made A. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
neil tt Posted September 14, 2007 Share Posted September 14, 2007 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
ivan Posted September 14, 2007 Share Posted September 14, 2007 There's a quite interesting "Guide to StepneyGate" here: http://www.planetf1.com/story/0,18954,3261_2466749,00.html Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Thorin Posted September 14, 2007 Share Posted September 14, 2007 Well bollocks. I was in for a nice little earner, had money on McLaren winning the championship before the season began (Ferrari were the favourites at the time too). I too hope Ferrari get booed at every opportunity, and Bernie Ecclestone I hate him. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
ivan Posted September 14, 2007 Share Posted September 14, 2007 It's that black-shirted Mosley and his ties to the Italian run FIA at the bottom of it all. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Alex Posted September 14, 2007 Share Posted September 14, 2007 I don't think Bernie wanted this... Bernie wants entertainment...and money. Max want's ecotwaddle and Ferrari bum love. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Thorin Posted September 14, 2007 Share Posted September 14, 2007 I don't think Bernie wanted this... Bernie wants money...and money. Max want's ecotwaddle and Ferrari bum love. I blame Bernie for most things, I edited your post for you as I noticed you made a mistake Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Chris Wilson Posted September 14, 2007 Share Posted September 14, 2007 I hope it's a wake up call, or F1 will follow Nascar with an A4 sheet of the latest cheats and derisory fines each month in Racecar Engineering, but the cheating and "racing" continue unscathed. Cheating's rife, from Athletics (what chance the next Olympics not having the usual drug scandals), through cycling, and now to the previously fairly clean F1. Personally I think they should have banned McClaren from the rest of the years championship, as well as made sure the perpetrators never worked in F1 again. And that's from someone who is an Alonso fan Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Alex Posted September 14, 2007 Share Posted September 14, 2007 I hope it's a wake up call, or F1 will follow Nascar with an A4 sheet of the latest cheats and derisory fines each month in Racecar Engineering, but the cheating and "racing" continue unscathed. Cheating's rife, from Athletics (what chance the next Olympics not having the usual drug scandals), through cycling, and now to the previously fairly clean F1. Personally I think they should have banned McClaren from the rest of the years championship, as well as made sure the perpetrators never worked in F1 again. And that's from someone who is an Alonso fan They've banned McLaren from scoring any points or appearing on the podium. By banning them from racing full stop no one wins - not even Ferrari. And what about Ferrari's first race of the season, won with an illegal car...shouldn't they have those results stripped too...oh and Renaults with it's Mass Damper...you should take away Alsono's 2x WDC's as that car was later deemed illegal....and then Schui's barge boards that were illegal etc etc... Mclaren hasn't *yet* even been proved to have USED the data other than to point out how Ferrari are cheating. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
paul_y3k Posted September 14, 2007 Share Posted September 14, 2007 http://news.bbc.co.uk/sport1/hi/motorsport/formula_one/6995240.stm ouch. so Alonso and De la Rosa screwed it up then ! Still dont see why the team should be punished for drivers saying lets do that setup. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Alex Posted September 14, 2007 Share Posted September 14, 2007 I'm going to eat *some* humble pie....but not a lot. McLaren's Spanish duo are truely inept if this is all correct. And Coughlan et al have lied when they really should divulged more. The text of the e-mails reads stupidly...I mean didn't Alonso know who the chief designer was?? Why would Pedro write it like that?? Bizarre, it's like hey look at me I'm trying to cheat! But the punishment does not fit the crime. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Wez Posted September 14, 2007 Share Posted September 14, 2007 Alonso was cheating to try and beat hamilton Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
paul_y3k Posted September 14, 2007 Share Posted September 14, 2007 wonder if Alonso is doing it to get fired and out his contract ? and de la rosa annoyed to lose his seat to Lewis ??? Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Alex Posted September 14, 2007 Share Posted September 14, 2007 That evidence was from pre season...so I doubt it. But it does shed some lght on Alonso's "I brought the team .5 of a second" comment when he was throwing his toys out of the pram for not being the number 1... Maybe he should have kept his toys in the pram It does look like some people have been largely stupid. But it's not like anyone else isn't cheating, Ferrari just manage to always get away with it. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Thorin Posted September 14, 2007 Share Posted September 14, 2007 I might write to McLaren and ask for my bet stake back Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
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