jawan Posted September 12, 2007 Share Posted September 12, 2007 Found this graph on internet not sure which one is which Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Muffleman Posted September 12, 2007 Share Posted September 12, 2007 Nuts, left these at home https://www.highlandgear.com/catalog/images/LEUPOLD%208X42%20MESA%20BINOCULARS.jpg Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
jevansio Posted September 12, 2007 Share Posted September 12, 2007 Big question, small graph Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
jawan Posted September 12, 2007 Author Share Posted September 12, 2007 try again Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
jevansio Posted September 12, 2007 Share Posted September 12, 2007 FMIC beats SMIC (see run no at top) Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
tDR Posted September 12, 2007 Share Posted September 12, 2007 Blue is the GReddy FMIC and Red is the SMIC as per the key on the graph. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
RobSheffield Posted September 12, 2007 Share Posted September 12, 2007 Does it say if its a new stock SMIC or the old one? The graph itself doesnt make it clear. Almost anything is better than a knackered stock SMIC. There are arguments for and against SMIC and FMIC, a search will bring most up. FMIC - looks 'bling' and has larger area (arguable) but can cause cooing problems as it masks rad. Also needs to be fully ducted to work. SMIC - cant be seen so most are reluctant to swap it as its money spent that nobody sees. Well ducted and compact with some small to mediumn singles in the UK and USA running well on aftermarket SMICs (CW and others) Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Rob Dublin Posted September 12, 2007 Share Posted September 12, 2007 Could you run a SMIC & FMIC?? Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Ric Posted September 12, 2007 Share Posted September 12, 2007 yes, do it Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
JohnA Posted September 12, 2007 Share Posted September 12, 2007 On a RR the FMIC wins every time. Especially if the bonnet is kept open during the runs. On the real road during a hot day the gains may not be so convincing. Edit: ...and as we all know FMICs are for kewl dudes, while SMICs for hairdressers/trysexuals/eunichs/OAPs:d Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
robin Posted September 12, 2007 Share Posted September 12, 2007 We need some tests with one of those G-Meters done on a road. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
RobSheffield Posted September 12, 2007 Share Posted September 12, 2007 robin said: We need some tests with one of those G-Meters done on a road. A decent set of thermocouples would do the trick Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
cashpoint Posted September 12, 2007 Share Posted September 12, 2007 I really can't see why this keep coming up, the "what better smic or fmic" given if both were new the surface area of a FMIC should be a clear sign as to which will give a lower outlet temp. Along with the size of opening, just look at where the smic is mounted the opening is tiny compared to the size of a FMIC. Larger opening means more air flow so cooler temps. Add the ducting and a FMIC really show it's benefits. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Muffleman Posted September 12, 2007 Share Posted September 12, 2007 JohnA said: Edit: ...and as we all know FMICs are for kewl dudes, while SMICs for hairdressers/trysexuals/eunichs/OAPs:d Ah phew, saved me saying it Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Thorin Posted September 12, 2007 Share Posted September 12, 2007 cashpoint said: I really can't see why this keep coming up, the "what better smic or fmic" given if both were new the surface area of a FMIC should be a clear sign as to which will give a lower outlet temp. Along with the size of opening, just look at where the smic is mounted the opening is tiny compared to the size of a FMIC. Larger opening means more air flow so cooler temps. Add the ducting and a FMIC really show it's benefits. Well I agree with the last statement kind of but not the rest. The car was designed around having an SMIC and is well ducted and in a low pressure area. If the SMIC can cool the temperatures enough then there's really no advantage to running an FMIC. This was all covered in a big long posting the other day. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
flukey-lukey Posted September 12, 2007 Share Posted September 12, 2007 Thorin said: Well I agree with the last statement kind of but not the rest. The car was designed around having an SMIC and is well ducted and in a low pressure area. If the SMIC can cool the temperatures enough then there's really no advantage to running an FMIC. This was all covered in a big long posting the other day. Thats all very good if you still have the stock bumper with the stock ducting. FMIC would be better for people with aftermarket bumpers imo. I read the big topic about this the other day, some very good points on both sides of the debate, was an interesting read Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
JohnA Posted September 12, 2007 Share Posted September 12, 2007 True, with many aftermarket bumpers the stock SMIC loses the ducting - becoming a semi-concealed, corroded, sad sideshow ...but if you're into dumping the carefully-designed aerodynamics for 'looks' then a nice, shiny FMIC is mandatory anyway. innit Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
SUPRASUZUKI Posted September 12, 2007 Share Posted September 12, 2007 JohnA said: ...but if you're into dumping the carefully-designed aerodynamics for 'looks' then a nice, shiny FMIC is mandatory anyway. innit Not necessarily. I kept the stock SMIC and ducted it from the aftermarket bumper. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
mikeyb10supra Posted September 13, 2007 Share Posted September 13, 2007 have a read here dude, the whole debate goes round and around and around http://www.mkivsupra.net/vbb/showthread.php?t=123622 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Ian C Posted September 13, 2007 Share Posted September 13, 2007 I was wondering if we can keep the discussion to sorta tech facts and not just slagging off anyone who ever bought an FMIC for any reason please? -Ian Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
merckx Posted September 13, 2007 Share Posted September 13, 2007 Am I the only one who's mentioned that the graphs are for BPU + and BPU ++.? Was the extra "+" achieved by installing the front mount intercooler? Not a very good comparison really. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Wez Posted September 13, 2007 Share Posted September 13, 2007 Here we go again Mind you this is the first time a dyno graph showing before and after has been shown Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
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