Matt H Posted September 11, 2007 Share Posted September 11, 2007 Please have a look at my previous thread for background: http://www.mkivsupra.net/vbb/showthread.php?t=123719&highlight=have+turbofit Well basically i spoke to Hyper this afternoon to be informed that there was a slight problem. slight as in my second turbo has blown up! what is going on? i speak to one trader they tell me 1.4 bar is safe, i speak to CW who has just told me never take it above 1.2 bar regardless of hybrids - Bit rich though as CW was the chap who decatted my car only for it to run over 1.4 bar which is why it blew. Im exhausted now. my car has just had a complete engine build. i wanted it mapping to make sure it doesnt run too lean again and blow, now my turbos have blown. Ive been messed about one way or another is seems by every trader i have let work on my car. Spoke to Gregg at Turbofit JDP motorsport or whatever they are called who swore that the turbos that went on are the same that came off. do hyper hold any resposibility for this? or is it yet again me who has to fork out £1k's of pounds for repair due to either traders being negligent or offering me the wrong advice. so you can see that im not happy Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Animal Posted September 11, 2007 Share Posted September 11, 2007 Shit dude, I don't know what to say, that's a proper kick in the plums. I can't offer you any advice really, but I hope you can get some answers and get it sorted without it costing you another small fortune. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
colsoop Posted September 11, 2007 Share Posted September 11, 2007 How did your turbo blow up, wasn't it in for mapping at the time Edited to add: sorry for your problems Matt Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Guest Nicholas Posted September 11, 2007 Share Posted September 11, 2007 did you ask them to map it to 1.4 bar? if you did you will be paying for the repair personally I'd never run stock twins at more then 1.2 bar even with a built engine and proper fuelling. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
tDR Posted September 11, 2007 Share Posted September 11, 2007 Sorry to hear of your misfortune Matt. I'd suspect it's just a set of normal J-Spec ceramics that's on it if one gave up at 1.4bar. That said, there's been a long history on here of unreliable hybrids and it seems a real minefield to get a decent and strong set. If you want reliability and extra performance over stock with not too bad a cost outlay then your best bet would be a T61 kit given you already have a piggyback and larger injectors. Unfortunately it will be you that has to foot the bill to get your car up and running again - none of the traders involved are going to accept any kind of liability. Cheers, Brian. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
SupraStar 3000 Posted September 11, 2007 Share Posted September 11, 2007 Really sorry to hear that Matt. Makes a NA Supra look alittle more appealing doesnt it Hope its fixed asap matey. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
jevansio Posted September 11, 2007 Share Posted September 11, 2007 When it rains it pours Hope you get it sorted Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
tooquicktostop Posted September 11, 2007 Share Posted September 11, 2007 Feel your pain Matt and understand your feelings, mapping on a RR places such stress on the car and highlights any weakness, I hope you get it sorted soon Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Big Ads Posted September 11, 2007 Share Posted September 11, 2007 Jesus Matt! Gutted for you mate, hope you get it all sorted ASAP. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Matt H Posted September 11, 2007 Author Share Posted September 11, 2007 did you ask them to map it to 1.4 bar? if you did you will be paying for the repair personally I'd never run stock twins at more then 1.2 bar even with a built engine and proper fuelling. Read the posts mate, there supposed to be hybrids Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Matt H Posted September 11, 2007 Author Share Posted September 11, 2007 cheers guys. Looks like im going small single then Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Ian W Posted September 11, 2007 Share Posted September 11, 2007 Read the posts mate, there supposed to be hybrids it doesn't matter. at the end of the day they mapped it to what you asked for, full stop. if someone said, jump of a cliff and you can fly....would you do it? EDIT: sorry if that sounded harsh, seems like you've had a lot of bad luck but as has been said i doubt anyone will take the blame for what's happened. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Homer Posted September 11, 2007 Share Posted September 11, 2007 Maybe I'm misreading this, but could you clarify: 1) The turbo went during mapping? 2) The turbo was gone before they began mapping it? Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Gazboy Posted September 11, 2007 Share Posted September 11, 2007 Bite the bullet, take it to Pheonix or Chris for a single instalment then ask IanC to map your emanage. If any of these are too busy PM as many people as you can and ask them who would they take their car to, and who the most certainly wouldn't as people seem to be a lot more honest in PM's than on the forums. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Pixelfill Posted September 11, 2007 Share Posted September 11, 2007 Maybe I'm misreading this, but could you clarify: 1) The turbo went during mapping? 2) The turbo was gone before they began mapping it? Daryl, I suspect that Matt's turbo had gone long before it got to Hyper. He has been "running in" on a base map since he picked it up from TurboFit, then just recently after running it in he posted that he was not boosting beyond 1.0 bar, and was wondering whether Turbofit hadn't fitted his turbos back on, it only went into Hyper last week, and it wasn't boosting beyond 1.0 bar before that. the mapping has nothing to do with it. Matt I'm gutted for you mate - I'd be asking Greg some serious questions, It wouldn't surprise me if they killed it when you took it back to them to allegedly map it on their final day of trade - then telling you that they couldn't do it and to take it steady on the base map. Sounds to me like it wasn't right when they gave it back to you. Mike Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Homer Posted September 11, 2007 Share Posted September 11, 2007 Daryl, I suspect that Matt's turbo had gone long before it got to Hyper. He has been "running in" on a base map since he picked it up from TurboFit, then just recently after running it in he posted that he was not boosting beyond 1.0 bar, and was wondering whether Turbofit hadn't fitted his turbos back on, it only went into Hyper last week, and it wasn't boosting beyond 1.0 bar before that. the mapping has nothing to do with it. This was the basis I was working on, but just wanted to clarify first (before any mud slinging started towards Hyper) Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Gazboy Posted September 11, 2007 Share Posted September 11, 2007 Would he have got as far as 1.0bar on the first tubbie though? I always thought once you get to a certain pressure pre-spooling of T2 & transition happened anyway ??? Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
T2 MSW Posted September 11, 2007 Share Posted September 11, 2007 BPU will easily get to 1 Bar on 1st tubbie would it not? so Matt's should have no probs at all. I get to 0.9 on first and 1.0 on second and only part BPU? Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Class One Posted September 11, 2007 Share Posted September 11, 2007 Would he have got as far as 1.0bar on the first tubbie though? I always thought once you get to a certain pressure pre-spooling of T2 & transition happened anyway ??? Yeah I thought that that the first tubbie couldn't boost past 0.6-0.7 bar? I don't know if hybrids are capable of producing more boost, but I thought there were restrictions in the sequential system which diverted boost from the 1st tubbie to prespool no2? Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Homer Posted September 11, 2007 Share Posted September 11, 2007 Would he have got as far as 1.0bar on the first tubbie though? I always thought once you get to a certain pressure pre-spooling of T2 & transition happened anyway ??? I *think* it depends on just how the 2nd turbo has failed. If the blades have disintegrated on the exhaust side than it should drop boost when it tries to switch to the 2nd turbo (after prespool stage). If it's failed in some other way (like oil seals gone) then it shouldn't really affect the boost, though Matt would have noticed that as it would have been blowing blue smoke. I have also heard of people who've done the pre spool mod getting 0.9 bar on the first turbo, so perhaps at high rpm, 1bar is possible (though I'm rather doubtfull). Matt, can you clarify exactly what Hyper have told you with regard to the failure? Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
vvteye Posted September 11, 2007 Share Posted September 11, 2007 Sorry to hear the news Matt I'm still going through it and yet to come out on the other side Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Jake Posted September 11, 2007 Share Posted September 11, 2007 Hyper? Who are they? Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
RobSheffield Posted September 11, 2007 Share Posted September 11, 2007 HyperSR (Hyper Sports and Racing) http://www.hypersr.com/index2.html Or was that a rhetorical question Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Homer Posted September 11, 2007 Share Posted September 11, 2007 Hyper? Who are they? Presumably Hyper Sports & Racing in Wigan. Doh, too slow! Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Jake Posted September 11, 2007 Share Posted September 11, 2007 No, not rhetorical at all. I've never heard of them but it seems like everyone else has. Are these the latest 'OMG Best Supra Tunerz Evar' ? Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
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