MaveriK Posted September 7, 2007 Share Posted September 7, 2007 All my external cuts are now healed from the attack back in July. I had heard rumour that the same bunch had attacked others but had passed it off until now :- http://www.wiltshiretimes.co.uk/mostpopular.var.1670903.mostviewed.couple_suffer_horrific_attack.php These are two of the bunch who did me over without question, why are they still out doing the exactly the same thing. It makes my blood boil but god help me if i laid a finger on them, my feet wouldnt touch the floor till the door slammed on the prison cell. England sucks and i never thought i would hear myself saying it! Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
JustGav Posted September 7, 2007 Share Posted September 7, 2007 I'd have a drive round and find the little bastards... drag them in one way or another to the police station via various methods.... BUT then in this current day and age, I'd get done for aggrevated assault on a minor and they would probably sue.... and get a healthy sum.. Takes the piss really, now I am feeling my age (I'm only 31) reading that... when I was younger (and it starts...) some old boy would batter you for even saying some of those things, you would go home and most likely get a clout from the old man for embarassing him... these days I sudder to think what the parents are like. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
supra steveo Posted September 7, 2007 Share Posted September 7, 2007 hey looks like i will have to pop up for a piss up at christmaswith a few mates Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Shadow Beast Posted September 7, 2007 Share Posted September 7, 2007 All my external cuts are now healed from the attack back in July. I had heard rumour that the same bunch had attacked others but had passed it off until now :- http://www.wiltshiretimes.co.uk/mostpopular.var.1670903.mostviewed.couple_suffer_horrific_attack.php These are two of the bunch who did me over without question, why are they still out doing the exactly the same thing. It makes my blood boil but god help me if i laid a finger on them, my feet wouldnt touch the floor till the door slammed on the prison cell. England sucks and i never thought i would hear myself saying it! i got done over about 18 months ago for doing the good citizen thing and trying to stop a lad breaking into our next door neighbours place, didnt know at the time he had a mate:( any how fight ensued 25 mins before police turned up, could not use blue lights as not trained!!!! one got caught by finger prints the other was never caught! about 3 months ago i had to have an interview with the police because i hold a firearms licence, just to make sure that i would not use it and that i understood the reprocussions if i did! now this really pissed me of as i now get called into question while he gets six weeks in a holiday camp ( sorry young offenders institute). Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
supra steveo Posted September 7, 2007 Share Posted September 7, 2007 little twats want slapped hard Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Mrs H Posted September 7, 2007 Share Posted September 7, 2007 Very few young people get discipline from anywhere these days, there's none at home or at school and they have no respect for anyone or anything, especially the police. I'm sure I read somewhere that young people are now proud of their ASBOs!!! I used to do voluntary youth work but gave it up before I ended up lamping one of the little shits. These weren't kids from bad backgrounds, but they didn't give a shit or have any respect for people or property and why would they, if they steal a car the judge recommends driving lessons, if they mug a granny they get sent to swim with dolphins. It's insane! Vicki Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Syed Shah Posted September 7, 2007 Share Posted September 7, 2007 The police are too busy annoying motorists, and putting the public in danger having car chases etc. They are not powerless, but they don't make best use of their power. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
R Black Posted September 7, 2007 Share Posted September 7, 2007 Both, police havent had any power for many years now, its human nature they have turned soft & are mostly just automatons, only motorists get attention now Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
wrenlea Posted September 7, 2007 Share Posted September 7, 2007 One thing really fasciinates me...... I agree with all the above comments. I grew up with "proper" discipline. Pretty much everyone I have ever been in conversation with over this area has the same opinion. I would say it is an "age thing" but those in charge of the Criminal Justice system are not young. So the question is ...how has GB become such a politically correct no discipline/respect country? Even if these louts were convicted they would probably get a fine they would not pay and community service thay would not do with no come backs It's not just a police thing... first conviction for burglary : small fine with no prison ! get done for 160mph on a clear dry empty motorway ??? Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Kranz Posted September 7, 2007 Share Posted September 7, 2007 The police are too busy annoying motorists, and putting the public in danger having car chases etc. They are not powerless, but they don't make best use of their power. Both, police havent had any power for many years now, its human nature they have turned soft & are mostly just automatons, only motorists get attention now Both comments a tad unfair I feel. You've got to question why this is happening in the first place. I see a number of reasons 1) Society is now all about the individual, not communities. How many of you can name everyone in your street.... or even your neighbours surnames? 2) Schools are not allowed to discipline kids 3) Parents are working more, socialising more & some are more bothered about their own lives than their kids, so the kids do what they want. The parents expect the schools to discipline them. 4) Police are now very accountable for their actions. The old way would be to give little Johnny a clip around the ear for looking at a copper in the wrong way, then deag them home where the parents would give them a clip around the ear for beig brought home by police & disgracing them. Now you can't even speak to a kid harshly without the parents putting a complaint in & starting off an investigation against the officer... which lasts months & requires the officer is investigated & interviewed under caution!!! Guilty until proved innocent. 5) The judicial system does nothing to kids. There is very little punishment for anything other than GBH and murder. 6) As a consequence of all of the above the kids fear nothing as they know there is no real punishment. They start off being naughty in class, get away with it so move on up the ladder to being abusive to teachers in school.... there's no punishment so they beat other kids up.... still no punishment so they hang around in their gangs and beat anyone that comes along, smoke cannabis, drink vodka, damage cars, break into houses, set fire to things... etc Society needs to harden up on these kids, their parents & on politicians who are dumbing down the legal system. Zero tolerance is the only way of getting control back from the little darlings..... That and national service, and I'll be first to drill some discipline into them. Who's with me? Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
jevansio Posted September 7, 2007 Share Posted September 7, 2007 Both comments a tad unfair I feel. You've got to question why this is happening in the first place. I see a number of reasons 1) Society is now all about the individual, not communities. How many of you can name everyone in your street.... or even your neighbours surnames? 2) Schools are not allowed to discipline kids 3) Parents are working more, socialising more & some are more bothered about their own lives than their kids, so the kids do what they want. The parents expect the schools to discipline them. 4) Police are now very accountable for their actions. The old way would be to give little Johnny a clip around the ear for looking at a copper in the wrong way, then deag them home where the parents would give them a clip around the ear for beig brought home by police & disgracing them. Now you can't even speak to a kid harshly without the parents putting a complaint in & starting off an investigation against the officer... which lasts months & requires the officer is investigated & interviewed under caution!!! Guilty until proved innocent. 5) The judicial system does nothing to kids. There is very little punishment for anything other than GBH and murder. 6) As a consequence of all of the above the kids fear nothing as they know there is no real punishment. They start off being naughty in class, get away with it so move on up the ladder to being abusive to teachers in school.... there's no punishment so they beat other kids up.... still no punishment so they hang around in their gangs and beat anyone that comes along, smoke cannabis, drink vodka, damage cars, break into houses, set fire to things... etc Society needs to harden up on these kids, their parents & on politicians who are dumbing down the legal system. Zero tolerance is the only way of getting control back from the little darlings..... That and national service, and I'll be first to drill some discipline into them. Who's with me? Me, all the way Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Class One Posted September 7, 2007 Share Posted September 7, 2007 Both comments a tad unfair I feel. You've got to question why this is happening in the first place. I see a number of reasons 1) Society is now all about the individual, not communities. How many of you can name everyone in your street.... or even your neighbours surnames? 2) Schools are not allowed to discipline kids 3) Parents are working more, socialising more & some are more bothered about their own lives than their kids, so the kids do what they want. The parents expect the schools to discipline them. 4) Police are now very accountable for their actions. The old way would be to give little Johnny a clip around the ear for looking at a copper in the wrong way, then deag them home where the parents would give them a clip around the ear for beig brought home by police & disgracing them. Now you can't even speak to a kid harshly without the parents putting a complaint in & starting off an investigation against the officer... which lasts months & requires the officer is investigated & interviewed under caution!!! Guilty until proved innocent. 5) The judicial system does nothing to kids. There is very little punishment for anything other than GBH and murder. 6) As a consequence of all of the above the kids fear nothing as they know there is no real punishment. They start off being naughty in class, get away with it so move on up the ladder to being abusive to teachers in school.... there's no punishment so they beat other kids up.... still no punishment so they hang around in their gangs and beat anyone that comes along, smoke cannabis, drink vodka, damage cars, break into houses, set fire to things... etc Society needs to harden up on these kids, their parents & on politicians who are dumbing down the legal system. Zero tolerance is the only way of getting control back from the little darlings..... That and national service, and I'll be first to drill some discipline into them. Who's with me? I am. Also, the Government, should be using thie resources to pay for more Police Officers and NOT PCSO's who are, to the best degree, Policing on the cheap. To suggest that the Police are diverting their resources to "pick" on the "innocent" motorist is just simply not true. There are far fewer Traffic Police than say 10 years ago, and they, who had the powers of discretion and dare I say it (as i have little time for TrafPol) common sense, have been replaced by allseeing cameras, unblinking camera safety vans, which have, imo alienated the vast majority of decent law abiding people who often confuse the issue and blame the Police,when infact these schemes are partnership issues driven by Local Authorities. There has been a massive social decline in this country over the past decade,despite New Labour creating hundreds of new laws and powers which have muddied the waters and done nothing to tackle issues of social justice and quality of life. The Police are bidden by the Government to enforce the laws that the government makes. That Government who was voted in by the British Public. That Government who has diminshed what it means to have a national identity, who has become apologist for being, and has no real understanding of what is happening out there on the streets every night of the week. The Government set targets, and cripples not just the Police service but other services like the NHS, Social Services, with bureacracy and has weighted the rights of the accused instead of victim or the witness and offers little or no protection to those people who become victims or those who are brave enought to come forward and say " I saw who did that, or I know who did that." The Police don't make the laws, the Government does, and the Police has to enforce them. I can tell you now, that more and more of my colleagues are becoming uncomfortable with the way in which this Government is seeking to undemine the civil liberties of the Public at large whilst doing nothing to challenge the issues that affect the quality of our lives on a day to day basis. They seek more to frighten us with the threat of terrorism, than offer solutions to tackle antisocial behaviour. What is more of a threat to your daily life? Terrorism? or Antisocial behaviour and general yobbery? Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Tannhauser Posted September 7, 2007 Share Posted September 7, 2007 Great post. Last para is so true. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
neil tt Posted September 7, 2007 Share Posted September 7, 2007 Whos for a revolution:(, because I think thats the way things are heading Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Guest Geneb Posted September 7, 2007 Share Posted September 7, 2007 Nvm Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Pete Posted September 7, 2007 Share Posted September 7, 2007 one of the boys came off his bike and Mr May went to pick it up. He went to pick it up? Eh? Why would he do that? Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
jevansio Posted September 7, 2007 Share Posted September 7, 2007 I'd be happier if the IRA ran the country, esp if they knee-cap scum as in "In The Name Of The Father" Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
neil tt Posted September 8, 2007 Share Posted September 8, 2007 That might be a bit drastic:) Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
MaveriK Posted September 8, 2007 Author Share Posted September 8, 2007 I didnt understand why he went to pick it up either. But my point remains what were the police thinking, the guy who got attacked with me gave the officers the names of the people involved and yet they are still let out to carry on. If they want a load of vigilantes running around they are going the right way about it. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Rob Posted September 8, 2007 Share Posted September 8, 2007 I didnt understand why he went to pick it up either. But my point remains what were the police thinking, the guy who got attacked with me gave the officers the names of the people involved and yet they are still let out to carry on. If they want a load of vigilantes running around they are going the right way about it. I was turned over by 5 lads back in my student days, they cut my top lip in half. They were arrested that night, ID'd by my friends and let go with no further action the following morning. Meanwhile I was in hospital being stitched back together. "No evidence" the police said, yet my face was in tatters and they all wore "Sov rings" which must have contained a piece of me. Then the Sergeant told me they were a known gang with previous for GBH!!! Well, why didn't he do something about it then??? Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
R Black Posted September 8, 2007 Share Posted September 8, 2007 There is no back bone to stiffen the laws here, & it ain't going to change anytime soon, so US the law abiding will have to get used to being stiffed. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
SimonR Posted September 8, 2007 Share Posted September 8, 2007 Those in positions of power who are deliberately subverting existing institutions (including traditional values) are only going to stop when they are removed from those positions of power. It always makes me laugh when people complain about the state of modern society and then every five years vote for more of the same. Society is falling apart for one reason and one reason only - because people continue to vote Labour and Conservative, neither of whom have any interest in addressing the problem except in sound bites. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Max Headroom Posted September 8, 2007 Share Posted September 8, 2007 I work with children (teenagers) and recently one 15 year was up in a Youth Court for 2 assaults and he was ordered to attend an attendance centre for 16 hrs, 2 hours on a Saturday, every fortnight. What did he do while he was there, football and gym!! I am bound by rules, but I would have had him out on the street cleaning up all the rubbish in an orange boiler suit if I had a say. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
JohnA Posted September 8, 2007 Share Posted September 8, 2007 He went to pick it up? Eh? Why would he do that? I didn't get this either:search: Looks like there might be another angle to this story after all. Instead of walking away, the good citizens went to help? Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
R Black Posted September 9, 2007 Share Posted September 9, 2007 I work with children (teenagers) and recently one 15 year was up in a Youth Court for 2 assaults and he was ordered to attend an attendance centre for 16 hrs, 2 hours on a Saturday, every fortnight. What did he do while he was there, football and gym!! I am bound by rules, but I would have had him out on the street cleaning up all the rubbish in an orange boiler suit if I had a say. Seen this in action in Boston on like our dual carriageways, orange jump suit with a couple of po lice with shotguns. Way it should be. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
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