Shadow Beast Posted September 6, 2007 Author Share Posted September 6, 2007 not tonight!! Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Shadow Beast Posted September 6, 2007 Author Share Posted September 6, 2007 Going back to topic, bloody good idea, if only they would bring back capital punishment and the Birch:innocent: can you imagine the fun you could have!! would you volunteer for dishing out the punishment? Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Konrad Posted September 6, 2007 Share Posted September 6, 2007 can you imagine the fun you could have!! would you volunteer for dishing out the punishment? I would, with pleasure! Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
stupra Posted September 6, 2007 Share Posted September 6, 2007 I wouldn't want to rely on a kid that didn't want to be there if we got into a contact, but on the other hand teaching kids respect wouldn't do them any harm. The old way's were much better than the pc crap we have to stick to now with new recruit's that don't want to toe the line, knock them into shape say, the softly softly approach doesn't work. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Shadow Beast Posted September 6, 2007 Author Share Posted September 6, 2007 I wouldn't want to rely on a kid that didn't want to be there if we got into a contact, but on the other hand teaching kids respect wouldn't do them any harm. The old way's were much better than the pc crap we have to stick to now with new recruit's that don't want to toe the line, knock them into shape say, the softly softly approach doesn't work. That was my thoughts when i started this, you, like me (i assume by your badge) would someday have to go with these kids to a country that you may have to rely on them to get you out of a prediciment, i dont know if i would be able to trust them with my life, they did not want to be there in the first place so are more than likely to cause problems. its bad enough at the moment having to toe the pc line!! Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Al Massey Posted September 6, 2007 Share Posted September 6, 2007 33 Engineer Regt (EOD), what about yourself? 1st royal tank regt as i said earlier there is pros and cons, i wont go to war with them but id take them in a training depo and sort them out Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Guest Geneb Posted September 6, 2007 Share Posted September 6, 2007 Think its a great idea, problem with teenagers today they know they can get away with murder as the police cant smack em anymore so they learn no respect, put em in the army and well thats a WHOLE different story. But they MUST make all the Indians, Chinese and Pakistani's do it as well, but enforcing that would be another thing before the racist card and religion card came out. feel sorry for the troops that get the individuals that hate britain. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Tricky-Ricky Posted September 7, 2007 Share Posted September 7, 2007 "Jake I'm confused. Aren't you a woman?" __________________ "Shadow Beast not tonight!!" LOL Classic! Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
n boost Posted September 7, 2007 Share Posted September 7, 2007 I think it is not a great idea. In the present times with constant threats doe's this idea make any sense. I say this not because of yobs /chavs but terrorists. Imagine an extermist being called for national service. It would put soldiers at risk from within their own network never mind snipers etc. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Tom S Posted September 7, 2007 Share Posted September 7, 2007 I'm ex forces and proud of it. National Service should never have been stopped. It works in other countries why not in the UK. To the serving members who are saying they don't know if they could trust a person on National Service, I would say ask your parentsm as they probably did it. My dad did and served 1946-48 he had pride in serving his country. I still hold faith in my alliegence to queen and country. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
RedM Posted September 7, 2007 Share Posted September 7, 2007 I'm ex forces and proud of it. Sonic attack division? I think NS is a great idea. 16-30 with a minimum of five years unless you have a definite University place or uber job to go to. That should keep the lower orders off the streets. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Tom S Posted September 7, 2007 Share Posted September 7, 2007 not guess Martin, RAF Police Dog Handler:blink: Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Al Massey Posted September 7, 2007 Share Posted September 7, 2007 I'm ex forces and proud of it. National Service should never have been stopped. It works in other countries why not in the UK. To the serving members who are saying they don't know if they could trust a person on National Service, I would say ask your parentsm as they probably did it. My dad did and served 1946-48 he had pride in serving his country. I still hold faith in my alliegence to queen and country. if national service wasnt stopped than yeah it would be a great i dea. not a lot of people have pride in this country anymore wish is a shame when did you retire? Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
ozz Posted September 7, 2007 Share Posted September 7, 2007 I thought the Torie policy was just about citizenship service? Or are they proposing two types of service? The citizenship one IIRC was for 5 weeks after GCSEs with 1 week summer camp (talks on being good citizens, 3 weeks volunteering somewhere and then 1 weeks physical training - which could be with the army. The whole process is voluntary which seems a little pointless as the people that need it will tell them to fook off. Also, seems a little totalitarian for me, akin to brainwashing. Become a citizen! Something is needed to stop the decay of our country. Don't know what but automatic sterilisation until 18 or more would be a start. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
colsoop Posted September 7, 2007 Share Posted September 7, 2007 I think they should go thorugh the rigours of training etc. But i would not like to rely on some little oik that was forced to be there especially not in a war zone Maybe we could use them as cannon fodder, to flush out the enemy or to test for roadside IED's I would personally love to do the physical training for the yoof of today. Hill reps anyone ? Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
paul_y3k Posted September 7, 2007 Share Posted September 7, 2007 ok too young for the first batch of NS, but wasn't the point to give basic training to a certain age group in case of a re run of WW2 ? As it would quicken the time to get people to the front ? if thats the case then surely now that need has gone. So all we're looking for is a wauy to instill pride / maturity etc into younger people. Which if that is the case can it not be taught as schools ? (bring back the birch etc etc) Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Shadow Beast Posted September 7, 2007 Author Share Posted September 7, 2007 I think they should go thorugh the rigours of training etc. But i would not like to rely on some little oik that was forced to be there especially not in a war zone Maybe we could use them as cannon fodder, to flush out the enemy or to test for roadside IED's I would personally love to do the physical training for the yoof of today. Hill reps anyone ? Classic, love that would save us doing it! Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Shadow Beast Posted September 7, 2007 Author Share Posted September 7, 2007 I'm ex forces and proud of it. National Service should never have been stopped. It works in other countries why not in the UK. To the serving members who are saying they don't know if they could trust a person on National Service, I would say ask your parentsm as they probably did it. My dad did and served 1946-48 he had pride in serving his country. I still hold faith in my alliegence to queen and country. i agree with you are saying and that it should of never been stopped, but as it has i think it would be hard to get people now out of school and straight into a conflict zone, there is a lot of bad press at the moment and seeing guys coming back in coffins is not going to do any favours. thats why i think a home support corps would be a good idea. my father missed call up by i think 2 years, regrets now though not joining espically when he hears of my exploits. I also still hold faith in my alliegence to queen and country, but i am slowly begining not to, i understand my opinion will be one sided but we dont get the support that we need at times and if we do it is nearly all to late. but there are times when the Army does excell, cant speak for the other 2 services as my dealings with them are limited. richie Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
michael Posted September 7, 2007 Share Posted September 7, 2007 Why put them in the army? Why not bring the army to them but use them for better things? I'd much rather see a bootcamp setup where army style management sends teams of people out to redecorate for old folks, dig gardens, fix roads, mow council grass, clean windows, collect litter - community service rather than national service. Far more useful to have more trained plumbers and leave the army stuff to those who have the right mindset and a desire to do it. The problem is that you have perfectly well adjusted, educated people who go on to do good things at an early age anyway, why should they have to go through something like this just because scumbags need to? There should be a selection process during the school years, if that fails sent them to Battle Royale. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
SupraAyf Posted September 7, 2007 Share Posted September 7, 2007 No chance of National service happening in my time. The MOD infrastructure has all be sold off and there are insufficient establishments and troops to run any form of credible NS system. This is a dead duck I'm afraid Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Scoboblio Posted September 7, 2007 Share Posted September 7, 2007 Most of the posts I've read so far are assuming that everyone under the age of 20 is a hoody wearing scum bag. FFS people give the vast majority of our younger generation some respect, most have done absolutely nothing to be ashamed of and don't deserve the utter rubbish being spouted here. Talk about a holier than thou attitude. When you were at school, would you like to have been lumped in with the group of kids who went around vandalising cars and causing trouble? BTW I'm against it. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
tbourner Posted September 7, 2007 Share Posted September 7, 2007 That's the problem, they can't make it compulsory really because most teenagers will hate it and just breed contempt for the country. Luckily a lot of the gits will think "Yeah I'll join and become an 'ard army dude!" and then they'll probably come out better - so the voluntary idea is quite good. I also don't think it's intended to be shipping them off to war, it's just a home based thing, basic training in a 'boot' style camp, with some public work included (painting railings and stuff). TBH I think it's a great idea, as long as the man power is available to 'train' all the kids that want to do it! Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Al Massey Posted September 7, 2007 Share Posted September 7, 2007 Most of the posts I've read so far are assuming that everyone under the age of 20 is a hoody wearing scum bag. actually were all saying that no one wants to go to war with someone who doesnt wana be there. and yes we mention the scumbag but only to give them discipline, respect for others and property and some pride in this country. i think the boot camp would be a good idea for everyone and made compulsory, it will give kids leadership skills,courage,initative training basic building blocks the schools dont teach Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Tom S Posted September 7, 2007 Share Posted September 7, 2007 when did you retire? left in 94 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Gazboy Posted September 7, 2007 Share Posted September 7, 2007 It always tickles me that this is usually mentioned by someone who is far to old to have to do national service themselves. It usually comes from a 'lack of respect' angle- well we only have ourselves & our leaders from that. In 1987 if I told my teacher to fuck off I'd have had a black board rubber thrown at me- in 2007 a teacher is powerless, can't do a damn thing and the little shits know they are untouchable. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
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