absz Posted November 17, 2004 Share Posted November 17, 2004 can anyone tell me if this turbo kit is a good buy as it seem very cheap? http://cgi.ebay.com/ebaymotors/ws/eBayISAPI.dll?ViewItem&rd=1&item=7935436408&category=33742 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Dragonball Posted November 17, 2004 Share Posted November 17, 2004 I will soon - a m8 has it on his So lets see... Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
GeordieSteve Posted November 17, 2004 Share Posted November 17, 2004 and does anyone know how this turbo compares with the GT67DBB? Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
stt Posted November 17, 2004 Share Posted November 17, 2004 Jesus fu**ing christ that is hooooooooooge! Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Dragonball Posted November 17, 2004 Share Posted November 17, 2004 http://www.mkivsupra.net/vbb/showthread.php?s=&threadid=29008 I have a feeling that the lag will be interesting on a stock auto ... Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
GeordieSteve Posted November 17, 2004 Share Posted November 17, 2004 DAMN! I had my credit card ready there but I really don't want that much lag Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
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Dragonball Posted November 17, 2004 Share Posted November 17, 2004 Compressor Map attached (I believe this is the one) According to my inputs this appears to fall above the surge line - perhaps someone could show me where the inputs are incorrect (as my eyesight is fading!) Engine Air Flow / Compressor Sizing Calculations Air Properties Molecular weight 29.00 Z 1.00 k-1/k 0.288 Engine Data engine rpm 6000 revs/min displacement 183.1 cu inch volumetric efficiency 90% number of turbos 1 compressor efficiency 75% Ambient Conditions local baro pressure 29.92 in Hg 14.70 psia ambient temp 65 deg F Conditions at Compressor Inlet Vacuum drawn at inlet 2.0 in Hg Inlet Pressure 13.71 psia Inlet density 0.071 lb/ft3 Conditions at Compressor Outlet outlet pres 22.0 psig outlet temp 294.2 deg F P2/P1 2.68 outlet density 0.132 lb/ft3 Conditions at Intercooler Outlet manifold pres 20.0 psig manifold temp 120.0 deg F manifold density 0.162 lb/ft3 IC pressure drop 2.0 psi Results, mass and volume flows compressor air flow 51.4 lb/min, ideal compressor air flow 46.3 lb/min, actual compressor air flow 349.9 gm/sec, actual total engine air flow 349.9 gm/sec, actual compressor air flow 655.0 ACFM, actual inlet compressor air flow 351.8 ACFM, actual outlet Data for use with curves pressure correction 0.983 temperature correction 0.981 corrected suction flow 46.2 lb/min Pressure ratio 2.68 Fuel Injector Sizing Calculations Fuel Injectors No. of injectors 6 Desired duty cycle 80% A/F ratio 12.0 :1 fuel specific gravity 0.735 fuel required 3.86 lb/min fuel required 37.8 gal/hr Injector size req'd 48.2 lb/hr engine hp potential 330.6 hp @ BSFC=0.7 engine hp potential 385.7 hp @ BSFC=0.6 engine hp potential 462.8 hp @ BSFC=0.5 Turbine Performance / Exhaust Pressure Calculations Compressor Head and Horsepower req'd polytropic factor 0.3840 (n-1)/n head req'd 33,430 ft horsepower req'd 62.5 hp required to drive compressor Exhaust Properties EGT 1484 deg F exhaust MW 28.36 (k-1)/k 0.222 Exhaust flow 50.14 lb/min % bypassed to WG 20.0% of total to wastegate Flow thru turbine 40.11 lb/min Turbine Power Recovery isentropic efficiency 80% mechanical efficiency 95% hp delivered 62.5 hp Pres. ratio req'd 1.99 inlet/outlet pressure post turbine EGT 1263 deg F Exhaust Pressures TOP 3.5 psig, turbine outlet pressure TIP 21.6 psig, turbine inlet pressure / exhaust backpressure TIP/boost 0.98 Pipe Velocity Calculations Velocities Compressor Inlet Pipe 3.0 inch inside diameter Inlet Pipe Velocity 222.4 ft/sec Compressor Outlet Pipe 3.0 inch inside diameter Outlet Pipe Velocity 119.4 ft/sec IC Outlet Pipe 3.0 inch inside diameter Up Pipe Velocity 97.1 ft/sec Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
GeordieSteve Posted November 17, 2004 Share Posted November 17, 2004 Folks I need an opinion! My plan was to go Powerhouse Racing Stage 2+ Turbo Kit (DBB). Now I have the misses compaining about the cost (for the set up of Powerhouse fuel setup stage 1, Greddy 3-Row Front Mount Intercooler Kit, Greddy E-Manage and the turbo kit I was looking at about £5800). If I went for this turbo and intercooler what difference would I see (with the fuel set up, emanage etc?). I wouldn't mind having an easier life my saving the extra money but I really don't want to loose too much power. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
MONKEYmark Posted November 17, 2004 Share Posted November 17, 2004 seems a good price for what you getting. £779 and then your shipping and duty to pay. he has got a good ebay rating so would thought its a genuine item for sale. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Dragonball Posted November 17, 2004 Share Posted November 17, 2004 The problem might well be with the huge lag that this might give you...some more input yet required - I will speak to them later Why not wait and see what the results are and then make a decision? They are not going anywhere with their record Dont repent at leisure... Patience my young Jedi...! Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
GeordieSteve Posted November 17, 2004 Share Posted November 17, 2004 Nice one mate I will do! This whole set up is the price I was gonna pay just for my FMIC. Would the lag be that immense? Would there be anyway I could combat the lag slightly? Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
MONKEYmark Posted November 17, 2004 Share Posted November 17, 2004 Originally posted by GeordieSteve Nice one mate I will do! This whole set up is the price I was gonna pay just for my FMIC. Would the lag be that immense? Would there be anyway I could combat the lag slightly? you could always buy a turbo later and sell the one that comes with the kit. look at all the parts must be worth a few quid on there own. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
GeordieSteve Posted November 17, 2004 Share Posted November 17, 2004 I'm so glad you said that! Would I be able to do that and not need to replace the manifold or anything else? If your right this could be an absolute God send to me Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Dale B Posted November 17, 2004 Share Posted November 17, 2004 Ive emailed you steve Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
GeordieSteve Posted November 18, 2004 Share Posted November 18, 2004 ahhh sod it... just bought one Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Dragonball Posted November 18, 2004 Share Posted November 18, 2004 So spill the beans - you have one / they are crap / sommat else? Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Miguel Posted November 18, 2004 Share Posted November 18, 2004 Do these come with a downpipe /midpipe and any intake pipeing? and also do you have to weld up your own dump tube? Does it come with IC pipework? V.good price if it does. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Jake Posted November 18, 2004 Share Posted November 18, 2004 Originally posted by MONKEYmark he has got a good ebay rating Well it's not all good : Negative/Neutral Feedback received by http://www.ssautochrome.com (Might be slow to load but it give it time) Edit to add: I wonder what this kit is really like. Will the manifold fracture in no time? What happens then? Is the turbo any good? Who are "Master Power"? Have any of our guys who frequent SupraForums ever heard of Master Power? I wonder what the Yanks think of this company Is this the same "XS" make of intercooler that MVP seem to hate so much? What's up with that weird intercooler ducting in this picture? And this picture from the same advert seems to of a completely different setup, doesn't it? Which are you getting? Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
LeeT Posted November 18, 2004 Share Posted November 18, 2004 Originally posted by MONKEYmark you could always buy a turbo later and sell the one that comes with the kit. look at all the parts must be worth a few quid on there own. what other turbos will fit that flange? would a boost logic turbo,downpipe and midpipe fit? Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
dude Posted November 18, 2004 Share Posted November 18, 2004 There definatly looks to be a few parts that will be needed to complete the kit but it does look cheap . dude:flame Dev Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Dragonball Posted November 18, 2004 Share Posted November 18, 2004 Loads of stuff on Supraforums Just two from 10 - http://www.supraforums.com/forum/showthread.php?s=&threadid=181901&perpage=25&highlight=autochrome&pagenumber=2 http://www.supraforums.com/forum/showthread.php?s=&threadid=197012&highlight=ss+autochrome Basically I IMHO you pays for what you get - that turbo will be far too laggy for me - although the rest seems like a good deal Loads of manifolds crack - and this is very heavy and will need a support accordinging to some (NB Make sure you install a flex section into the downpipe) I think I will wait and see the outcome! Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
michael Posted November 18, 2004 Share Posted November 18, 2004 Fingers crossed the kit arrives and fits like a glove, it will be interesting to hear your updates on this one. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Guest Terry S Posted November 18, 2004 Share Posted November 18, 2004 wow, some sweeping statements there Paul!!!! I assume you have taken grade of tube, wall thickness, and design into that statement?? On the PHR 67DBB, I assume you mean a GT40 turbo? Also, have you got cams, ems etc, otherwise this is a wholly pointless excercise. Also the GT40 has to be matched really well with the comp wheel otherwise it will be laggier than our 67P and cost a world more money, not to mention the extra install if it is water cooled. Having said all that PHR do some really excellent stuff so you could do much worse! A GT45 is a big laggy lump of turbo, what are the exact trims??. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
GeordieSteve Posted November 18, 2004 Share Posted November 18, 2004 The turbo will not be staying. Any idea of another turbo which will be better to run on this kit. I never really intended to keep the turbo it's self Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
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