Bobbeh Posted August 30, 2007 Share Posted August 30, 2007 True, but then theres being a dreamer and being a realist. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
DaveK Posted August 30, 2007 Share Posted August 30, 2007 For me, the Supra is not a supercar - but neither is the NSX. I tend to think of Lambos and Ferrari's etc. when I'm thinking of supercars. But I think age plays a part - I wouldn't consider a 348 to be a supercar these days. It's had it's day. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
gaz1 Posted August 30, 2007 Share Posted August 30, 2007 i class mine as a supercar every time i pass one:d Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
DaveK Posted August 30, 2007 Share Posted August 30, 2007 i class mine as a supercar every time i pass one:d I think there is more to a supercar than outright power. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
RedM Posted August 30, 2007 Share Posted August 30, 2007 True, but then theres being a dreamer and being a realist. But isn't that what a Supercar is all about? The fact that you'll probably never own one due to the super-cost. Add to that the exclusivity of a limited run, the power, the exotic looks and, perhaps most importantly, the history of the name. Lamborghini, Ferrari, Porsche et al conjure up images of decades of motoring excellence, racing, glamour and performance. Famous drivers of yesterday and today. They are manufacturers associated with passion, glamour, performance. Toyota conjures up images of the erm... Yaris, reliability and you can see where I'm going. It's just not glamorous. It's just not a supercar marque. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
RedM Posted August 30, 2007 Share Posted August 30, 2007 I think there is more to a supercar than outright power. See above! Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
DaveK Posted August 30, 2007 Share Posted August 30, 2007 But isn't that what a Supercar is all about? The fact that you'll probably never own one due the super-cost. Add to that the exclusivity of a limited run, the power, the exotic looks and, perhaps most importantly, the history of the name. Lamborghini, Ferrari, Porsche et al conjure up images of decades of motoring excellence, racing, glamour and performance. Famous drivers of yesterday and today. The are names of passion and desire. Toyota conjures up images of the erm... Yaris, reliability and you can see where I'm going. It's just not glamorous. It's just not a supercar marque. I don't actually class most Porsche's as supercars - with the exception of the C-GT perhaps. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
RedM Posted August 30, 2007 Share Posted August 30, 2007 I don't actually class most Porsche's as supercars - with the exception of the C-GT perhaps. Most Porsches being the important part. C-GT for definite. 911 Turbo and the GT2 and 3 imo. Anything below that is wannabe material. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
DaveK Posted August 30, 2007 Share Posted August 30, 2007 Most Porsches being the important part. C-GT for definite. 911 Turbo and the GT2 and 3 imo. Anything below that is wannabe material. I can't really decide whether the 911 turbo is. I guess it is - but the fact that you can run it as a reliable (if expensive) daily car kind of makes it seem like it shouldn't be! Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
RedM Posted August 30, 2007 Share Posted August 30, 2007 I can't really decide whether the 911 turbo is. I guess it is - but the fact that you can run it as a reliable (if expensive) daily car kind of makes it seem like it shouldn't be! You shouldn't class Porsche engineering as a negative! Besides just because you can run it ever day doesn't mean you would or should. It's 100k for crying out loud. I'd never park it outside Sainsburys! Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Bobbeh Posted August 30, 2007 Share Posted August 30, 2007 But isn't that what a Supercar is all about? The fact that you'll probably never own one due to the super-cost. Add to that the exclusivity of a limited run, the power, the exotic looks and, perhaps most importantly, the history of the name. Lamborghini, Ferrari, Porsche et al conjure up images of decades of motoring excellence, racing, glamour and performance. Famous drivers of yesterday and today. They are manufacturers associated with passion, glamour, performance. Toyota conjures up images of the erm... Yaris, reliability and you can see where I'm going. It's just not glamorous. It's just not a supercar marque. Different strokes for different folks. I agree with you mostly about what you said about looks, power, limited run etc. I think its the exclusiveness which plays a big part of the desireability. Same thing can be said about Corvettes, they go like one, look like one but they are cheaper and more common they're not classed as one. So in functional terms its a bollocks definition especially when you see the new model blowing the door off most cars available to date. Image terms is where most people worry about the badge etc, but to me it doesnt make any difference. I'd rather have car that does Supercar performance, has the comfy leather and gadgets, which doesnt break down and cost a fortune to put right. Plus, didnt Toyota celebrate 75 years of motoring and 50 years in Motorsport this year at Goodwood? They've got plenty of racing history if you look into it... but as they're Japanese and more of a wide ranging car manufacturer rather than a dedicated sports car builder its lost on a lot of people. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
DaveK Posted August 30, 2007 Share Posted August 30, 2007 You shouldn't class Porsche engineering as a negative! Besides just because you can run it ever day doesn't mean you would or should. It's 100k for crying out loud. I'd never park it outside Sainsburys! I would. I seriously considered buying a 993TT a couple of years ago. I've gone off the idea now - but if I did buy a 993 / 996 / 997TT it would become my daily car. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
matt k Posted August 30, 2007 Share Posted August 30, 2007 I can't really decide whether the 911 turbo is. I guess it is - but the fact that you can run it as a reliable (if expensive) daily car kind of makes it seem like it shouldn't be! No it's not, like you said c-gt and a 993 GT1 is, but a 911 turbo is not, super cars need to be ridiculous like a Lambo...that is the point of them IMHO. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Muffleman Posted August 30, 2007 Share Posted August 30, 2007 There was a red countach at BMW Gatwick this weekend gone, and I drove past it - that really is a supercar, still stopped me in my tracks. Love the Supra, had to have one but it's not a supercar. Can be made as fast as one, and a single on full chat is a glorious sound, but it's still not a supercar I'm afraid. Nor is a Skyline and I personally don't think the NSX is either, it just has the wrong badge. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
matt k Posted August 30, 2007 Share Posted August 30, 2007 There was a red countach at BMW Gatwick this weekend gone, and I drove past it - that really is a supercar, still stopped me in my tracks. Love the Supra, had to have one but it's not a supercar. Can be made as fast as one, and a single on full chat is a glorious sound, but it's still not a supercar I'm afraid. Nor is a Skyline and I personally don't think the NSX is either, it just has the wrong badge. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
RedM Posted August 30, 2007 Share Posted August 30, 2007 Same thing can be said about Corvettes, they go like one, look like one but they are cheaper and more common they're not classed as one. So in functional terms its a bollocks definition especially when you see the new model blowing the door off most cars available to date. C6 Z06:) A little bit of wee comes out every time I think of it. Not exactly common over here though. I think there are more Supras in Leeds than there are C6s in the whole of the UK. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
matt k Posted August 30, 2007 Share Posted August 30, 2007 C6 Z06:) A little bit of wee comes out every time I think of it. Not exactly common over here though. I think there are more Radmobiles in Leeds than there are C6s in the whole of the UK. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
RedM Posted August 30, 2007 Share Posted August 30, 2007 There's only ONE Radmobile. The rest are just wannabe playas. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Bobbeh Posted August 30, 2007 Share Posted August 30, 2007 C6 Z06:) A little bit of wee comes out every time I think of it. Not exactly common over here though. I think there are more Supras in Leeds than there are C6s in the whole of the UK. Indeed, but they're not imported here at 4-6k a pop like the Supras are these days In the US they're selling for more, used than new, as the waiting list was so long. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
RedM Posted August 30, 2007 Share Posted August 30, 2007 Indeed, but they're not imported here at 4-6k a pop like the Supras are these days In the US they're selling for more, used than new, as the waiting list was so long. If the cash feel into my lap it's still the car I'd buy straight away though. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
matt k Posted August 30, 2007 Share Posted August 30, 2007 If the cash feel into my lap it's still the car I'd buy straight away though. Is feel like fell Martin? Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
RedM Posted August 30, 2007 Share Posted August 30, 2007 Is feel like fell Martin? No. I'm just practising my Mexican. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
johnnyknox Posted August 30, 2007 Share Posted August 30, 2007 Are you really saying that a Supra is the epitome of motoring desirability as far as you are concerned? I guess some people aim for the moon and others aim for the end of the garden. I know plenty of people who aspire to own a Supra. It's not about setting your sights too low. If you love the Supra (like many do..myself included) then that's that. So, to say that not many people aspire to own such cars is wrong. I would have the Mines R34 over a Porsche and if you think that's because I'm not aiming high enough....nope..it's called personal preference. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
johnnyknox Posted August 30, 2007 Share Posted August 30, 2007 But isn't that what a Supercar is all about? The fact that you'll probably never own one due to the super-cost. Add to that the exclusivity of a limited run, the power, the exotic looks and, perhaps most importantly, the history of the name. Lamborghini, Ferrari, Porsche et al conjure up images of decades of motoring excellence, racing, glamour and performance. Famous drivers of yesterday and today. They are manufacturers associated with passion, glamour, performance. Toyota conjures up images of the erm... Yaris, reliability and you can see where I'm going. It's just not glamorous. It's just not a supercar marque. So..this would just be a Ford then? Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
4leks Posted August 30, 2007 Share Posted August 30, 2007 Supe is not a supercar...it is just too practical to be called a supercar Same as Porsche Thats why I love my car Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
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