Havard Posted August 24, 2007 Share Posted August 24, 2007 I am only guessing here, but im sure a lot of crimes are commited by drug addicts, so that they can fuel there addiction. Its one thing to say that smoking cannibis is not that bad but when it comes to heroin and cocaine addicts, they are only interested in getting more to feed there habit. In some cases this means stealing someones hard earned cash or possessions. I don't think any amount of education is going to change peoples opinions on cocaine and heroine. Mark That sounds a bit like what I said!! H. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
carl0s Posted August 24, 2007 Share Posted August 24, 2007 Sorry Carl but I don't see your argument. Alchohol and tobacco are legal. Drugs are addictive and very expensive on the illegal market and that is why people who are extremely rich resort to stealing and burglary to fuel their habits!! You will never reduce crime if you don't remove the cause of the peoples desparation! Education has been tried before and people are made aware of the facts and then they please themsleves!! In my opinion it's this softly softly appraoch that is one of the main problems, people know whether they are doing right or wrong. It's a case of whether they give a shit or fear the consequences of being caught!! H. The argument is to de-criminalise them. Not all drugs are addictive. Alcohol is one of the worst in terms of addiction, damage to self, violence and damage to others. It was illegal in the 1920s in America and because of that there was a great deal of crime (Al Capone). What bugs me is when people refer to "drugs". It makes me think of Southpark "drugs are bad. uh huh". Why do the drug-war fanatics see alcohol and nicotine as something other than drugs? You've all been brainwashed! Our worst crimes are crimes of antisocial behaviour. Much of this comes from badly brought up kids. The 11yr old shooting probably wasn't drug related. I'm sure a lot of robbery comes from people trying to find money to afford certain expensive drugs that they can't obtain through official channels, but perhaps they just want to buy the latest gadget, or go on holiday, or fund the hotels they have to stay in night by night because they're on the run. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Thorin Posted August 24, 2007 Share Posted August 24, 2007 Yet many people take drugs every day without resorting to stealing or killing people... Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
carl0s Posted August 24, 2007 Share Posted August 24, 2007 I don't think any amount of education is going to change peoples opinions on cocaine and heroine. Mark Education is to stop people taking harmful and worthless drugs in the first place. It's not to change people's opinions. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Thorin Posted August 24, 2007 Share Posted August 24, 2007 Education is to stop people taking harmful and worthless drugs in the first place. It's not to change people's opinions. Alcohol, tobacco, and caffeine could also be described as harmful and worthless. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Al Massey Posted August 24, 2007 Share Posted August 24, 2007 this debate bout drugs can go on for years, yeah drugs are bad, druggies do need to fuel their addiction and some do steal to fund it. but there are still other major crimes being commited every day. the main reason drugs are illegal is that the government cant control it and get thier taxes on it Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
carl0s Posted August 24, 2007 Share Posted August 24, 2007 Alcohol, tobacco, and caffeine could also be described as harmful and worthless. Yep, and look at the great job they're doing on educating us about the dangers of smoking. Education works if done properly. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
MrHanky Posted August 24, 2007 Share Posted August 24, 2007 The argument is to de-criminalise them. Not all drugs are addictive. Alcohol is one of the worst in terms of addiction, damage to self, violence and damage to others. It was illegal in the 1920s in America and because of that there was a great deal of crime (Al Capone). What bugs me is when people refer to "drugs". It makes me think of Southpark "drugs are bad. uh huh". Why do the drug-war fanatics see alcohol and nicotine as something other than drugs? You've all been brainwashed! Our worst crimes are crimes of antisocial behaviour. Much of this comes from badly brought up kids. The 11yr old shooting probably wasn't drug related. I'm sure a lot of robbery comes from people trying to find money to afford certain expensive drugs that they can't obtain through official channels, but perhaps they just want to buy the latest gadget, or go on holiday, or fund the hotels they have to stay in night by night because they're on the run. im not going to disagree with you on a lot of this. I cannot stand smoking and the fact that it is something which effects people who do not smoke (i.e. kids in the back of cars etc). All I can say about alchohol is that we live in a binge drinking society unfortunately. I live in a small town and counted about 36 drinking establishments within a 5 minute walk of each other. I have been drunk before and whilst I had a good time, for the most part I can't help but think that I probably looked a total *wat, and probably acted like one to some degree. I probably only drink twice a year and at the minute I cannot stand the thought of drinking. I am however addicted to Coca Cola, but so far I have not needed to rob an old lady to feed said addiction. Mark Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Jake Posted August 24, 2007 Share Posted August 24, 2007 Why do the drug-war fanatics see alcohol and nicotine as something other than drugs? You've all been brainwashed! "Come on everybody, lets be hypocritical bastards. It's OK to drink your drug. We meant those other drugs, those untaxed drugs. Those are the ones that are bad for you" -- Bill Hicks RIP Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
carl0s Posted August 24, 2007 Share Posted August 24, 2007 "Come on everybody, lets be hypocritical bastards. It's OK to drink your drug. We meant those other drugs, those untaxed drugs. Those are the ones that are bad for you" -- Bill Hicks RIP Good quote. I'll have to do some reading Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Konrad Posted August 24, 2007 Share Posted August 24, 2007 Bring back National Service Noone will be worried anymore, that there is not enough soldiers and I belive Army could put straight every scum of this earth. Maybe some of them would even continue learning in school after age of 16 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
BASHTHEBISHOP Posted August 24, 2007 Share Posted August 24, 2007 Bring back the death penalty for crimes such as murder etc? I agree but... Can you imagine the uproar when faced with a crime such as that 11yr old been shot. His shooter is likely to be aged 12-16:blink: Maybe if the shooter was faced with the death penalty as a sentence & not a holiday camp prison sentence / detention centre, he might not of done it. Fast forward a bit and the death sentence has been executed only to find some strands of evidence that may mean the 'executed' didnt do it:blink: We definitely need tougher laws, better education and some parents getting sentenced for the behaviour / crimes of there kids but its definitely not straight forward to implement. Some of the human rights laws definitely need abolishing. How can you not be allowed to deport someone that has commited terrible crimes as its against their human rights??? Its just bollocks that! Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
DJButler Posted August 24, 2007 Share Posted August 24, 2007 Bring back National Service Noone will be worried anymore, that there is not enough soldiers and I belive Army could put straight every scum of this earth. Maybe some of them would even continue learning in school after age of 16 As an Ex proffesional Soldier i can tell you they dont need tossers like that in the forces, would you like you life to depend on the guy next to you who was busy shooting up instead of shooting the enemy, No. The answer as i see it is to flood the market with cheap drugs so the junkies overdose and there is not enough profit for dealers, then supply cheap ammo so the nutters can shoot one another till that problems solved,after which you can give the handguns back to the legitimate target shooters in time for them to practice for the 2012 olympics. Problem solved, Now about these Women drivers!!!!!!! Well i think i would -___________________________, maybe not, thats way to controversial even for me. :d Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Konrad Posted August 24, 2007 Share Posted August 24, 2007 As an Ex proffesional Soldier i can tell you they dont need tossers like that in the forces, would you like you life to depend on the guy next to you who was busy shooting up instead of shooting the enemy, No. You can seperate them from those who are really suitable to be real soldier. At least they could be kept busy. Remember, that in most cases it is boredom, which is changing teenager to "tosser". Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Al Massey Posted August 24, 2007 Share Posted August 24, 2007 national service wouldnt work in this country again, back then people were proud to be in the british army and the national service was a ladder to many great things. seeing some of the lads come through now to my unit who want to be in the army dont have the right attitude or capability and theres no way i would want to go to war or operation with them but i aint got a choice so just imagine what it would be like with people who dont wana be there Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Fifty Posted August 24, 2007 Share Posted August 24, 2007 The politicians have failed EVERYWHERE One day the people will rise up and completely f+ck the place. It wont bother me Ill be on a beach somewhere qiet:p Rich Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
bigcol Posted August 24, 2007 Share Posted August 24, 2007 The country is going down the toilet! All the issues over tougher laws, ID cards etc are being diluted by scumbags and do gooders diluting the true issues!! I would put people in prison for a LOT of offences. Things like drugs, criminal damage, burglary, theft (basically anything that is truly dishonest). Oh but the prisons are full and building new ones is expensive! Why are prisons expensive? Because they are full of TV's, pool tables, complex heating systems etc. Answer!, build low class, concrete block prisons with very little in the way of confort, ie bog basin, bed end of!! 1 hour of exercise and then back to soiltary confinement!! Can't do that because it breaches human rights legislation..... Human rights protects the few who might be treated badly for basically being a cock in the first place. Meanwhile the majority of hardworking, honest people run the risk of being stabbed and shot, whilst gangs of thugs take over the country!! Rant over! H. I totally agree, i did 8 years as a prison officer (most of it in the Maze and Dartmoor and left because the rules were just too bloody soft, the scum of the earth (they was where i worked) had more luxuries in their cells than i had at home, eat better food (steak 3 times a week), if we got hurt it was "tough, its what you get paid for" the slightest scratch on them they would sue you. its this country gone mad, i was stabbed 3 times, had numerous assaults and threats and we were the ones who got treated like criminals, definately bring back capital punishment for certain offences, hanging? nah too quick, slow release injection (alabama state pen has one that lasts 6hrs:D:D) thats my rant over too Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Dave Posted August 24, 2007 Share Posted August 24, 2007 I think we should look at countries like saudi arabia i worked there for two years they got loads of kids. never saw any gangs of yobs never heard of any robberies .and theres some poverty out there as well .we had a worker who got pissed on homemade shite and raped a co worker .three weeks later he was in jeddah square having his head lopped off .now thats a deterant.steal three times lose your left hand do it again lose the other.run over a kid /person, the family set the sentence .this is a bit extreme but it works . oh yeah prisons in saudi you get a hole in the ground in the middle of the desert.someone i knew got caught making and sellin booze [sadiki ] a bit like moonshine only stronger he got two years and was front page news with all his booze making kit around him .when he came out he looked like pappilion my thoughts are with the family of ryan Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
ivan Posted August 24, 2007 Share Posted August 24, 2007 I saw last week that almost 200,000 people had left Britain for good last year. The Beeb etc were asking questions like "is it because of the floods/the weather/no jobs/the health service etc etc" The one option nobody had the balls to say was that this place has gone to the dogs and those sensible people had baled out rather than stay here. Pretty soon the only people left here will be the youth gangs, the immigrants and those too poor to leave! Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Guest Geneb Posted August 24, 2007 Share Posted August 24, 2007 Not being funny but the youth of today think there untouchable and wont be sent to prison just a young offenders, well im sorry if this comes across really badly but if they were put in a adult prison no-matter what the age they would be scared shitless of doing anything against the law because they know what happens to people inside. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
michael Posted August 25, 2007 Author Share Posted August 25, 2007 ...or they would meet career criminals who view the lovely prison life as a minor inconvenience between jobs and get more dodgy contacts and ideas. But as you and others say it's down to a lack of fear / guidance in early life, parents are getting lazy, it's easier to stick the kids in front of the TV or give them money to go out, you can't give them a tap because you'll have social services round. My parents only ever smacked me once, I'd been acting up in a restaurant, back then all my mother had to do was give me "that look" to stop me in my tracks. I was also taught right and wrong from an early age, traditional values were drummed in... maybe that's why I'm such an ass now but I consider myself "decent". Primary school was another experience where there was always the worry of punishment at the end of the corridor, the head master apparently had a cane, he came across as being a ruthless assassin, this was enough to keep us in check. In reality he was a decent fella and nobody knows of anyone who ever saw or experienced that cane. Secondary school took things to a whole new level, old grammar school, teachers that had been there forever, proper teachers with capes and big voices that commanded respect. Walk too fast or talk in the corridor and Wally Evans will be after you, lose your tie and you'll be in detention on Saturday morning in full uniform, long hair wasn't allowed, shoes had to shine and so on. We thought they were utter tw*ts at the time but in hindsight they were doing what needs to be done today. While at secondary school the older teachers started to retire, by the time I hit the 5th year things were so different, sloppy looking kids that wandered around like a rabble, weak teachers that tolerated insolence and a general feeling that things had gone to crap. I presume things have stayed like that or got worse, I also presume this isn't something that only happened in my school (which continues to throw out good grades so maybe it's not too bad). So we need to beat our children, scare them senseless and then ensure they live a life of fear.... or just bring them up with proper values Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
VELOCITY Posted August 25, 2007 Share Posted August 25, 2007 Life for a life, death penalty and even a minimum 10 year sentance for having a gun let alone using it. That may put people off. Also lower quality prisons F*&k the human rights activists!! Yoiu need to make prison so unbearable nobody would want to go there in the first place let alone go back inside. One the subject of schools and teachers, my girlfriend has just qualified as a teacher and told me she cant break up fights in the playground for fear of being sued by parents for assault, she cant shout at pupils incase they loose self asteem! WTF! this does not help with all the crime when children go un punished at school let alone on the streets. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Bobbeh Posted August 25, 2007 Share Posted August 25, 2007 I saw last week that almost 200,000 people had left Britain for good last year. Yup, my brother was one of them. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Pete Posted August 25, 2007 Share Posted August 25, 2007 Here's how it should be done eh? http://www.dailymail.co.uk/pages/live/articles/news/news.html?in_article_id=477088&in_page_id=1770 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
VELOCITY Posted August 25, 2007 Share Posted August 25, 2007 Here's how it should be done eh? http://www.dailymail.co.uk/pages/live/articles/news/news.html?in_article_id=477088&in_page_id=1770 That would stop people "tagging" bus stops! Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
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