CJ Posted February 23, 2005 Share Posted February 23, 2005 Nice one. Good luck. Let us know how it gets along. Will do Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Gamer Posted February 23, 2005 Share Posted February 23, 2005 What will people do after the guy from the states maps thier cars ? i.e. who or where will you go to get any further mapping or tweaking should you change anything on your cars ? Considering that apparently no one in the UK is good enough to do it in the first place, why would you let them touch the car after the fact ? Or will it be a case of fly out some guy everytime you have an issue or upgrade ? Just a thought. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
CJ Posted February 23, 2005 Share Posted February 23, 2005 What will people do after the guy from the states maps thier cars ? i.e. who or where will you go to get any further mapping or tweaking should you change anything on your cars ? Considering that apparently no one in the UK is good enough to do it in the first place, why would you let them touch the car after the fact ? Or will it be a case of fly out some guy everytime you have an issue or upgrade ? Just a thought. In my case, I want to "fit and forget" and not tweak at all. As for further upgrades, I am not too sure what further upgrades I could go for. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Gamer Posted February 23, 2005 Share Posted February 23, 2005 Fair enough, but you know how things go..... One day your all happy and content with what you have and the next your thinking about changing this or that. I just thought I would put that out there incase it has been overlooked. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
CJ Posted February 23, 2005 Share Posted February 23, 2005 TBH Joe, I would be far happier to have a UK company do the work but I honestly do not think that we have anyone with enough experience of mapping Supra's with any of the after market EMS systems. That said, I am prepared to be convinced otherwise. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Guest Usmann A Posted February 23, 2005 Share Posted February 23, 2005 Id rather fly the tuner out who knows what he is doing rather than get ripped off here by so called experts, who charge the earth per hour, and after all that claim its good for 500hp with a built engine. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Gamer Posted February 23, 2005 Share Posted February 23, 2005 Well I am content knowing that the guys at TDI are doing my car. I have no doubts as to thier technical abilities with the F Con as mine has been on for over a year now with not one issue at all and my car was the second Soarer that they have ever done the F Con on. Might be worth a phone call at the very least. Can't hurt Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
CJ Posted February 23, 2005 Share Posted February 23, 2005 Might be worth a phone call at the very least. Can't hurt Probably charge me £100 to answer the phone Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Gamer Posted February 23, 2005 Share Posted February 23, 2005 Rofl Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Guest Terry S Posted February 23, 2005 Share Posted February 23, 2005 CJ, be very interested in your reasoning for the switch?? What do you think the V Pro does that the AEM doesn't? Also, I am pretty shocked no one has thought about the new Autronic SM4. It truly is a lovely piece of kit, and Mark Shead's mapping is excellent, and he is on the door step. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
CJ Posted February 23, 2005 Share Posted February 23, 2005 CJ, be very interested in your reasoning for the switch?? What do you think the V Pro does that the AEM doesn't? Also, I am pretty shocked no one has thought about the new Autronic SM4. It truly is a lovely piece of kit, and Mark Shead's mapping is excellent, and he is on the door step. Prefer to answer that offline Terry as I dont want to start yet another AEM v the world battle. Suffice to say it revolves around the fact that my car is an auto plus having conversations with several respected guys off the Supraforums BBS. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Guest Terry S Posted February 23, 2005 Share Posted February 23, 2005 http://www.autronic.com/page_files/sm4_kit.htm Leons car is an Auto. Seems to go ok on the Autronic Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
CJ Posted February 23, 2005 Share Posted February 23, 2005 http://www.autronic.com/page_files/sm4_kit.htm Leons car is an Auto. Seems to go ok on the Autronic I thought you were asking why I changed from the AEM? Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
fastisnice Posted February 23, 2005 Author Share Posted February 23, 2005 CJ, apparently there is an official HKS importer/tuner in Greece. Trust me - THey 've got very good knowledge of tuning over in Greece, they 've built a wrx of 1000bhp+ going 9's, they 've built 2 M3 turbos with 800 and 810 @ the wheels and other crazy cars. Anyway this guy works for the HKS importer of Greece(Athens) and he is called "SYROS" he is over in Athens - I hope this covers you. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Guest Terry S Posted February 23, 2005 Share Posted February 23, 2005 I was sorry, just throwing it in the mix. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
CJ Posted February 23, 2005 Share Posted February 23, 2005 Here is a snippit from another tuner in the States - please dont flame me for the comments, I am only posting what they said: "The AEM is a complete and utter piece of crap. I know no other way to express it. Its lost more motors in supras then any other single source to date. Over and over again it has lost crank signal sync and thus blown motors as soon as they came under boost and that is just one of dozens of bugs.". And this is from Ben. "In regards to the V-pro. I cant say enough about it. I flat out love it. The system unlike Motec is designed to utilize the stock ecu to control some basic functions. In the case of the supra I generally set it up to control the automatic transmissions line pressure, abs, power steering triggers, air conditioning, basic idle and a few other functions. It can of course be used as a complete stand alone but I prefer the piggy backed option as it is still controlling all primary functions. It cannot however control an automatic transmission when used as a stand alone. There are no inboard provisions for line pressure, shift points, etc in the V-pro. It can control timing in between shifts to reduce shift shock and unwanted clutch slippage but it cannot fully control the tranny. The AEM claims to be able to but I have never seen one work, ever. So in your case we would use it as a piggy back and allow the stock ecu to control the basic points of the auto trans for the A340 or 341E. The system is flat out the smoothest psuedo stand alone on the market. The cars run as smooth as stock and can be dialed in perfectly. It also is capable of using a wide band 02 signal to internally "self adjust" to always maintain a perfect A/F ratio. Its very functional and very reliable. We are Motec dealers as you probably know and I personally run the V-pro in my own car and not Motec. Why? Becuase my car is a 1000hp daily driver, not a race car and I want daily driver conveniences and perfectly smooth operation. We have over 11 years of experience with the MKIV and probably have built more then any other company in North America. I personally have hand built over 300 cars to date. (shameless plug The V-pro does offer some end user control, contrary to popular belief. You can control various fuel maps, fuel trim percentage, ignition maps, ignition cut or 2-step rpm points, and a host of other options if so desired through HKS mixture controllers or the on board dip switches. Internal data log, 2 step, and other options can be setup through momentary buttons. NOS, water injection, auxilairy fuel pumps, fans, etc can be controlled. The list goes on and on. Really way too much for me to list. The system is not end user accessible, this is true, but once dialed in it doesnt need to be. Basic changes in altitude, minor modifications etc dont affect it as it can automatically adjust air/ fuel values accordingly. The system is incredible and yet not over the top expensive like some of the alternatives".. HTH Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Guest Terry S Posted February 23, 2005 Share Posted February 23, 2005 BTW, dont PHR run Motec in the race cars???? Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
CJ Posted February 23, 2005 Share Posted February 23, 2005 I was sorry, just throwing it in the mix. I am grateful for te input Terry as I am always looking for information and advice I suppose the reason the HKS appeals is the fact that it seems (on th surface at least) to offer me what I want in terms of ease of use and "fit and forget". Plus it is a system that can "learn" and doesnt require 9nor allow) me to tweak about. As I said in an earlier thread, that may be a downside to some of teh more technically adeapt guys but to a numpty like me, it makes no odds Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
CJ Posted February 23, 2005 Share Posted February 23, 2005 BTW, dont PHR run Motec in the race cars???? Probably, as do most eveyone else, but there again, I dont drive a race car Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Guest Terry S Posted February 23, 2005 Share Posted February 23, 2005 so what he is saying is use a piggy back and leave the stock ecu to run the auto box? Opens up a world of possibilities.... Just what we decided to do on Leon's Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
CJ Posted February 23, 2005 Share Posted February 23, 2005 so what he is saying is use a piggy back and leave the stock ecu to run the auto box? Opens up a world of possibilities.... Just what we decided to do on Leon's Yes, that seesm to be his train of thought as it then precludes the alleged problems that the AEM has with the shift changes etc. I suppose it is a happy middle ground eh? Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
CJ Posted February 23, 2005 Share Posted February 23, 2005 BTW, dont PHR run Motec in the race cars???? I suppose, hand on heart, if I had an umlimited budget I too would go for a Motec as it is supposed to be the best in the business. In saying that, would I then be buying a sledgehammer to crack a walnut? Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Guest Usmann A Posted February 23, 2005 Share Posted February 23, 2005 CJ, you cannot say why PHR use Motec because it is a race car, why do not Tomei, JUN,HKS, etc all top japanese tuning houses use the F CON on thier stripped out RH9 motors, and track cars too? Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
CJ Posted February 23, 2005 Share Posted February 23, 2005 CJ, you cannot say why PHR use Motec because it is a race car, why do not Tomei, JUN,HKS, etc all top japanese tuning houses use the F CON on thier stripped out RH9 motors, and track cars too? I havent got a clue what you just said? Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Guest Usmann A Posted February 23, 2005 Share Posted February 23, 2005 LOL- TBH, I think I will stay out of it mate. Whilst,you get alot of AEM bashers, It all depends on someone you KNOW and thier advice you TRUST. Im sure we will see some AEM,Fcon motors doing better this year. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
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