fastisnice Posted February 22, 2005 Author Share Posted February 22, 2005 Mine took 3 hours and that was mapping it from scratch,doing cold starts and going all the way to 1.6, he tried to give me as much ignition timing as possible lower down which is what i needed having a BIG single. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Alex Posted February 22, 2005 Share Posted February 22, 2005 How much ignition advance are you running from 1000 to 3000rpm at full throttle? Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
fastisnice Posted February 22, 2005 Author Share Posted February 22, 2005 Can't remember any numbers Alex..that was half a year ago.. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
TRD3000GT Posted February 22, 2005 Share Posted February 22, 2005 Can't remember any numbers Alex..that was half a year ago.. I take it your account is working again ;-) Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
fastisnice Posted February 22, 2005 Author Share Posted February 22, 2005 looks like:) thanx chris Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Robbie Posted February 22, 2005 Share Posted February 22, 2005 I thought I'd just say that my Auto supra (uK) spec is being mapped at Gt Art in the next week or so. I've got A single turbo, a high stall torque convertor and a BL modified Auto box, so I can't use the manual settings just to make Gary's life more complicated. He's invested a lot in his 4 wheel dyno and IMHO it all seems a very impressive setup. Gary has done work with many other makes of car, not just skylines and I've no doubt that the end product will be worth the wait. I'm not sure but because Kean at BL has mentioned that I should only use the 'D' position due to changes in line pressure when using the modified autobox I believe an auto dyno run should be carried out with the car strapped down, overdrive off and with the auto box in 'D', allowing the revs to settle once in 3rd gear. Once there the you can get lockup by: A/ (The lockup wire is at 14 B.If i remember correctly, it is a Green wire with black stripe), to force the gear box to stay in third or B/ try to coaxe the box into its own locked state...Hmmm! Then hope for the best and floor it all the way to the red line!!!! IS this correct?????? Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
CJ Posted February 22, 2005 Share Posted February 22, 2005 I allways assumed that the dyno run had to be done whilst the auto box was in manu mode and gear 3 I would be interested to hear others opinions as i too have the BL gearbox. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
TLicense Posted February 22, 2005 Share Posted February 22, 2005 Keep it techie CW has a good point, as do others - find a good mapper as a start point and fit the hardware around that... -Ian Ahh you see there's an inherent problem with this. Most people will only want their car mapped once. And if it's an idiot that does it and stuffs it up, then you have to take the chance of finding another idiot in the attempt of doing it right next time. If a certain tuner has problems with a particular car then the owner slates them, and they get knocked off the generally accepted "good tuner list". It's the same with everything though, some people say certain shops are good for such and such, whilst others wouldn't touch them with a barge pole. All you can do is try to gleam as much information about people's backgrounds as possible (which is generally getting harder all the time especially as everyone is getting particularly cagey about who's mapping what) Anyway, so yeah you can only get as much information about someone as possible, apply abit of common sense as to whether they have the background to be able to do the job, and then take a risk with them and hope it all turns out OK. I also agree with the comment that I think Alex said about if you can map an engine then generally speaking, you can map an engine. The software to map the f-con on a skyline, will unless I'm very much mistaken, be exactly the same as the software for the supra. At the end of the day all you're doing is punching numbers in, in response to seeing different a/f values and dyno plots etc. Regards, Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
CJ Posted February 22, 2005 Share Posted February 22, 2005 An engine is an engine, it still follows the same laws of physics and requires the same fueling. I cannot see why you wouldn't use Abbey etc when they obviously know how to map a car....Supra or Skyline it doesn't matter...IMO. Good point edit -Damn, posted before seeing Tony's post Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Guest Usmann A Posted February 22, 2005 Share Posted February 22, 2005 Whilst I agree with what most is said, a mapper that has done a 2JZ before will be more efficient and know what setup works and what doesnt, knows howmuch timing is needed on low cylinder filling(down low) to get a certain turbo spooling quicker,etc.etc Ovbioulsy every motor reacts to modification differently, header design, length, cam profiles, especially chamber design? To someone who hasnt mapped a 2J motor before, he would be quite shocked at how we can run in excess of 1.4 bar on 67mm turbos making 500hp+ and not have holes in the pistons, using pump gas? Its a testament to how good/efficent the motor design is. AFA Abbey M/S is concerned, a bunch of heartless twits. Guys, just use a good mapper who has plenty of experience,with big hp TURBO ROAD CARS and knows the software, and you should not be disappointed. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Syed Shah Posted February 22, 2005 Share Posted February 22, 2005 Usmann, your post is contradictory. So which is it? Big HP turbo car experience or 2JZ experience? An engine is an engine, and the RB and 2JZ are similar, a good mapper can do anything. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
fastisnice Posted February 22, 2005 Author Share Posted February 22, 2005 Well, Basically it doesn't matter whether is a supra or a skoda turbo, an HKS F-CON is the issue, as long as the mapper has the basic mapping software so he can download it onto the ECU for that particular car(Supra/Skoda/Cosworth whatever with a turbo in it), to start the engine - from there its down to his HKS F_CON knowledge-- NOT THE CAR --, its like saying i got a network card to install and set up on 2 differrent computers one has a 3GHZ and the other one has 1 GHZ processor. A network engineer can install the network card on both PCs. ITs like having a 3GHZ PC and saying that a good network card installer for my PC is the one who has installed it before on a 3GHZ PC otherwise he is not a good installer... - Off course it will perform better on a faster PC..Make sense?? Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
SimonB Posted February 22, 2005 Share Posted February 22, 2005 Surely there's not that much difference between mapping one ECU and another? You're setting the same basic parameters, how much fuel to inject and what ignition timing to use against RPM, boost and throttle. I guess it might take you longer if you weren't familiar with the software, but isn't basic mapping the same using AEM, F-CON, or whatever? Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Guest Usmann A Posted February 22, 2005 Share Posted February 22, 2005 Syed, no my post is not, I do agree with what most have said but further go on to show points of the other perspective. I did not say use a mapper with 2JZ experience, mere just showed the opposiet case scenario. Simon, why dont you ask the mappers here, why they cant utilzie the software of the AEM? Its presentation and software layout is more complex to some of the more easier ECU, ie EMERALD M3DK, etc edit,sorry, just read you post properly, yes Simon, in mere mapping terms the process is kind of universal, every mapper is watching the same parameters and carrying out the same checks in a methodical way. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
fastisnice Posted February 23, 2005 Author Share Posted February 23, 2005 By the way, my tuning guy and the one who will rebuild my engine is from Greece with lots of experience from racing over there and mapping solely HKS F-CONs, he comes from Greece just to do my car and few others!. I guess im lucky to know him:) Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Wez Posted February 23, 2005 Share Posted February 23, 2005 Basic engine mapping is the same and any mapper should be able to setuo your fueling and ignition using pretty much any ECU, you will also find that some mappers have different ideas on what AFR should be run where and on what engine, this is where the mappers personal experience comes into play. In addition to that there are alot of other options when mapping, for example most piggyback ECUs only concentrate on the ignition, fuel and occasionally boost control. A full replacement ECU such as Motec, AEM, Autronic etc are alot more involved and each application to control them is slightly different, again this comes down to the mappers experience, the list of additional items to configure on a complete replacement ECU is huge including things such as cold start, idle, warning systems, knock control, AC control and tons more all of which can be tweaked per application. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
CJ Posted February 23, 2005 Share Posted February 23, 2005 By the way, my tuning guy and the one who will rebuild my engine is from Greece with lots of experience from racing over there and mapping solely HKS F-CONs, he comes from Greece just to do my car and few others!. I guess im lucky to know him:) Kostas - according to the HKS Europe site, there are no F-con Pro authorised tuners in greece. I can understand that your tuner could tune the F-con S but without the right software keys etc, how is he going to do the F-con Pro? Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Guest Usmann A Posted February 23, 2005 Share Posted February 23, 2005 CJ ,I thought you had Sean Mceldeery(sp) coming over ot tune AEM EMS? Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
CJ Posted February 23, 2005 Share Posted February 23, 2005 CJ ,I thought you had Sean Mceldeery(sp) coming over ot tune AEM EMS? You obviously know more than me then my friend I was going to do that but have now decided against the AEM in favour of the F-con Pro as I think it more suits my needs. I am now looking to get another well known tuner from the States over for a group tune on the F-Con Pro but want to see what interest there is first. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Guest Usmann A Posted February 23, 2005 Share Posted February 23, 2005 Cool, sounds good. I know a pro dealer in the south, but he will only fly out under certain circumstances. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
CJ Posted February 23, 2005 Share Posted February 23, 2005 Cool, sounds good. I know a pro dealer in the south, but he will only fly out under certain circumstances. I have already done a bit of research over in the States and have spoken to several people who have all reccomended one particular tuner for the F-con Pro. I have contacted him and he is happy to come over but obviously the best way would be to get as many as possible interestd so that the costs are shared. Like I say, I am trying to finalise the guide prices and will then put up a thread seeing if there is interest. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Guest Usmann A Posted February 23, 2005 Share Posted February 23, 2005 Good luck. So who is this one reccomended tuner, if you dont mind sharing? Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
CJ Posted February 23, 2005 Share Posted February 23, 2005 Good luck. So who is this one reccomended tuner, if you dont mind sharing? No secrets here my friend. It is Ben of PHR also known as Obiwan from Supraforums. Here is what another very well known Supraforum member wrote in his email to me: "In a nutshell Ben at PHR is one of the most competent Supra tuners in the world. He is probably THE most competent V-pro Supra tuner in the Western Hemisphere. Not only is he a very good tuner but he’s a top bloke as I think you say over there. J Honest, up front, never tries any of that sly B.S. on you to get more money out of you. The only problem with Ben is he speaks his mind, if something is crap he says so." Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
TRD3000GT Posted February 23, 2005 Share Posted February 23, 2005 Mmmmmmmm Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Guest Usmann A Posted February 23, 2005 Share Posted February 23, 2005 Nice one. Good luck. Let us know how it gets along. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
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