Guest Terry S Posted February 23, 2005 Share Posted February 23, 2005 We are back to the quality of the hardware and the ability of the Mapper. That is why I introduced the Autronic & Sheady back in the Mix. BTW the SM4 is supposed to kick the Motec's butt for half the cost. You do know the guy that designed the original Motec's now owns autronic....... If the AEM is that bad, seems strange the quickest road cars in the US are running it?? Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
CJ Posted February 23, 2005 Share Posted February 23, 2005 If the AEM is that bad, seems strange the quickest road cars in the US are running it?? I never said that the AEM was "that bad" it is just that like you said in a prior thread - "I have nothing against the AEM at all, I think it is great VFM, but don't expect it to behave like a stock car straight away. As for the gearbox issues ( autobox), until I hear from people I trust in the US that it is sorted ( and I am sure it will be eventually) I will reserve judgement." - I too am not yet convinced it has been sorted. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Guest Usmann A Posted February 23, 2005 Share Posted February 23, 2005 Yep, peter B .. 9.6 (9.3 no ones belived them) Marko .. 8s car Duy .. 9.9 on 18s, street trim, Darren Adams 779rwhp car etc, the list could go on .... ask, Wez on here, he had AEM first, has he had major problems? Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
CJ Posted February 23, 2005 Share Posted February 23, 2005 Yep, peter B .. 9.6 (9.3 no ones belived them) Marko .. 8s car Duy .. 9.9 on 18s, street trim, Darren Adams 779rwhp car etc, the list could go on .... ask, Wez on here, he had AEM first, has he had major problems? All autos are they? Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
CJ Posted February 23, 2005 Share Posted February 23, 2005 edited to start a new thread re. Motec EMS Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Markie Posted February 23, 2005 Share Posted February 23, 2005 Jesus, totally confused on what to get now. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
CJ Posted February 23, 2005 Share Posted February 23, 2005 Jesus, totally confused on what to get now. Why? The choice is simple. AEM, HKS, Autronic or Motec - easy peasy Japaneasy Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Markie Posted February 23, 2005 Share Posted February 23, 2005 Well for a manual VVT-i TT I am guessing I will still have a number of different views from everyone? Wantintg to go BIG single with it also, and nice and plenty of fueling to feed the sucker Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
CJ Posted February 23, 2005 Share Posted February 23, 2005 I am sure Terry will be able to offer good advice here as I think his car is a manual VVTi and Vortex sell turbo kits etc. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Guest Usmann A Posted February 23, 2005 Share Posted February 23, 2005 Nope not auto, but just shows, you should have got a manual .. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
CJ Posted February 23, 2005 Share Posted February 23, 2005 Nope not auto, but just shows, you should have got a manual .. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Dragonball Posted February 24, 2005 Share Posted February 24, 2005 CJ, be very interested in your reasoning for the switch?? What do you think the V Pro does that the AEM doesn't? QUOTE] 'We have a FAR superior solution in the pipeline.......' 'It's a secret' Will you share with everyone why do you think it does? (always assuming that your secret solution might be the F-Con of course!) Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Darren Posted February 24, 2005 Share Posted February 24, 2005 All this talk about F-CON makes interesting reading considering how un popular and out of fashion it was on here a while ago!! Suddenly thats all seems to have changed....?? Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Guest Terry S Posted February 24, 2005 Share Posted February 24, 2005 Paul,we do, but the difference is, we try things, we change things, you know, develop things, not wait for others then jump in, or buy something ready made. Most stuff we do is not "Vanilla" flavour. CJ, my point was, what is the difference to wiring up the AEM piggy back. If your concern is the autobox, then let the stock ecu control it. I think Leons trap speeds (150mph) are a testament to it working ok. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Wez Posted February 24, 2005 Share Posted February 24, 2005 ask, Wez on here, he had AEM first, has he had major problems? I have not had any major issues with mine but I did research into it before buying, AEM had a few issues with older versions of firmware which were causing all sorts of problems, plus I eventually found out which wires you need to pull to stop the J-Spec CAT overheating light from illuminating. After finding this out from the AEM support forums I upgraded my ECU before I had even tried starting my car, after the upgrade I loaded the AEM basemap and then converted my fuel map from 550cc to 440cc injectors and it started first time, been using it since, some units that have been on the shelf a while and still have old firmware so the first thing anyone should do is make sure they got the latest before spending any money on mapping etc. I use to run it with the stock sequential and the AEM solved the issue of number two not always coming online when you wanted it plus also gave me the ability to run upto approx .9bar on turbo one and then 1 - 1.1bar when the second turbo came in all without an external boost controller When I went single all I had to do was modify the fuel and iginition maps. Yes I am manual and there have been issues with auto but this was solved by adding a shift retard function which acts in a similar way to the stock unit. Plus i was not the first I think that was Paul Whiffin who also still uses one on his motor. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Guest Usmann A Posted February 24, 2005 Share Posted February 24, 2005 right ... so you had no majr problems right ... Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
fastisnice Posted February 24, 2005 Author Share Posted February 24, 2005 Like i said b4 i've always used F-CON and im more than pleased, never had any problems with it and i dont see the reason changing to another brand..When it comes to performance, what do you think is the difference if an AEM/F-CON PRO/Autronic, i really dont think there are hardly any performance differences when you see the big BHP in the US they tend to use AEM because they had lots of experience with it but saying that they had lots of problems as well. Yes Marco did 8.5 using an AEM but then again in Japan theu only use F-CON V-PRO in all their big bhp skylines and supras and they 've done 8's as well, as well---Also in the US there are few 1000RWHP+ using V-PRO they both very good but i think HKS are more carefull where they give their software and rights to avoid what AEM is experiencing now "problems". HKS has been faultless proven. I really dont think switching from V-PRO to AEM to Autronic would any of the big bhp cars would see any significant bhp difference, its down to the mapper again...NOT the ECU. F-con has been unpopular here because people can't get the software and map it freely anywhere. But if u can get it done then thats for life once and forever you wouldn't have to worry about any problems if mapped right, i will stick with HKS - Its what they say you pay what you get Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Robbie Posted February 24, 2005 Share Posted February 24, 2005 I dont know how long it is before anyone else is getting their ECU upgrades and I can fully understand that each trader wants to prove their products and services, but I'm actually getting my car mapped with the f-con pro in the next couple of weeks., when i'll gladly share my experiences as soon as its up and running! Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Ian C Posted February 24, 2005 Share Posted February 24, 2005 Is it me, or is ECU choice one of those things that gets all personal? I can't think of anything else on the car where such heated discussions take place - even tyres, and I would have expected it there more It's a car part. Do some research into what it can do, solicit info from people who have actually used one (and aren't selling them), and make your choice based on that and your target usage. I went the E-Manage route as it does everything I want it to do. If something say from HKS was out at when I was investigating ECUs, and it was around the same price with twice the map resolution and a couple of spare inputs and it actually worked, the E-Manage wouldn't have got a look in. Bollocks to who made it and what colour it was, if it does the job it's in. If something better turns up and it's worth upgrading, it's out. -Ian Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Guest Terry S Posted February 24, 2005 Share Posted February 24, 2005 Good hardware + Good Tuner ( in the selected hardware) = Happy customer The difference is in things like outputs, E.G. the AEM will specifically control NOS, The Autronic does gear selectable traction control ( well ) etc etc. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Wez Posted February 24, 2005 Share Posted February 24, 2005 It's a car part. Do some research into what it can do, solicit info from people who have actually used one (and aren't selling them), and make your choice based on that and your target usage. I went the E-Manage route as it does everything I want it to do. If something say from HKS was out at when I was investigating ECUs, and it was around the same price with twice the map resolution and a couple of spare inputs and it actually worked, the E-Manage wouldn't have got a look in. Bollocks to who made it and what colour it was, if it does the job it's in. If something better turns up and it's worth upgrading, it's out. -Ian Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Guest Usmann A Posted February 24, 2005 Share Posted February 24, 2005 Like i said b4 i've always used F-CON and im more than pleased, never had any problems with it and i dont see the reason changing to another brand..When it comes to performance, what do you think is the difference if an AEM/F-CON PRO/Autronic, i really dont think there are hardly any performance differences when you see the big BHP in the US they tend to use AEM because they had lots of experience with it but saying that they had lots of problems as well. Yes Marco did 8.5 using an AEM but then again in Japan theu only use F-CON V-PRO in all their big bhp skylines and supras and they 've done 8's as well, as well---Also in the US there are few 1000RWHP+ using V-PRO they both very good but i think HKS are more carefull where they give their software and rights to avoid what AEM is experiencing now "problems". HKS has been faultless proven. I really dont think switching from V-PRO to AEM to Autronic would any of the big bhp cars would see any significant bhp difference, its down to the mapper again...NOT the ECU. F-con has been unpopular here because people can't get the software and map it freely anywhere. But if u can get it done then thats for life once and forever you wouldn't have to worry about any problems if mapped right, i will stick with HKS - No one is saying F CON pro doesnt work, and that switching to AEM/Autronic will gain you HP!! Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Guest Terry S Posted February 24, 2005 Share Posted February 24, 2005 I got an HKS F-CON S and since im going for big bhp as well as resetting the rev limiter, I found one(HKS V PRO) at a v.good price and i got someone very good at HKS who can map it for me...How does it compare with other ECUs (like AEM/Autronic) do they have similar functions? I thought the whole point of this thread was a discussion into the merits of the units? Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Guest Terry S Posted February 24, 2005 Share Posted February 24, 2005 No one is saying F CON pro doesnt work, and that switching to AEM/Autronic will gain you HP!! Exactly, that is down to the tuner Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Ian C Posted February 24, 2005 Share Posted February 24, 2005 I thought the whole point of this thread was a discussion into the merits of the units? In case that was aimed at me, it is, I agree. But has anyone actually mentioned map resolution? Different maps for cold start etc? Input, outputs, trac control, anti lag, quality of software, ease of use, support, community, what it takes to fit, how much it costs? Autobox capability? Launch control? List all those for your fave ECU and let people choose It's no good at all saying "a 1000bhp supra the other side of the world in on such-and-such an ECU and the owner and mapper says it runs better than stock therefore that's the one I support vehemently". I really want this thread for the techie FAQ section, if we can get the specs of these ECUs (including the intangible stuff like support, community, mapper experience) it'd be invaluable. But a to-ing and fro-ing session that boils down to "I AEM so you smell of poo" isn't very useful -Ian PS nothing personal to anyone. I'm sure you see where I'm coming from here. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
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