Homer Posted November 11, 2004 Share Posted November 11, 2004 A guy from work is in the process of shipping over a Jap 6spd supra and send me some pics of it today. The car is described as a 'facelift' but the dashboard is pre-facelift (4 gauges instead of 5 gauges). It certainly looks like a facelift car from the outside as the lights, indicators and reflectors are all facelift, but the dash definitely is not! Its a late 95 car so I guess is one of the first facelift models, does anyone know if some of these cars got the old dash? Is there anything else that can be checked to ensure the guy is getting a real facelift car? He does not have the full Chassis plate details, just the frame number: 0032626 which does seem to be about right for a late 95.. Cheers Pic of the interior: Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
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Scooter Posted November 11, 2004 Share Posted November 11, 2004 I thought it was 96 on cars that were facelift........ My gut feeling is saying its a non facelift thats been 'facelifted' externally by a previous owner (however this could be disputed by the lack of side repeaters in the wings. Maybe filled? or light front smack and new facelift wings used?) Baseing this on assumption that no facelifts came with the old dash (which i think is true) and therefore why would you convert back and even can you convert back, as the Odo is ditigal pre facelift and old style manual on the facelift.. more investigation required i think..... does the front bumper have the horizontal bar in the front gap? Anyone know how the (very) basic boost gauge works in the facelifts, as you could go looking for this now redundant bit of wire or piping? Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Homer Posted November 11, 2004 Author Share Posted November 11, 2004 Thanks for the reply Scooter, the front bumper has the bar in the middle so is the 'correct' facelift one. I believe the car is on a boat on the way over so can't actually go and take a look at it at the moment!! Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
martynb Posted November 11, 2004 Share Posted November 11, 2004 That steering wheel isn't facelift and neither is whatever is going on over the passenger side - shouldn't there be an airbag there? Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
dangerous brain Posted November 11, 2004 Share Posted November 11, 2004 I take it its not as simple as the engine being a VVTi then? Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Ian C Posted November 11, 2004 Share Posted November 11, 2004 There was a window of about 6 months in 1996 where you got facelifted TTs without vvt-i, I think these are probably the rarest MkIV Supra going I'm with Scooter on this one - new wings and a new nose, kinda suspicious, because it's deffo not a facelift inside. Have you got a piccy of the rear quarter...? You could also check the wire colours on the injector harness, but obviously not while it's on a boat somewhere. -Ian Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
lust2luv Posted November 11, 2004 Share Posted November 11, 2004 When it gets here check whether the boot release works. If it's 95 then I can't believe it's facelift - looks like a facelift conversion, which as has been said looks a tad suspicious that they went to all that trouble to remove the side repeaters. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Homer Posted November 11, 2004 Author Share Posted November 11, 2004 Seems like the guy was told some duff info then... This car is defo not a VVTI (see engine pic in next post). He's trying to get the info about the VIN plate (hopefuly the seller has this), so we can see if that sheds any light. You never know it might even be an ultra rare half-facelift car Heres the rear: Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
MONKEYmark Posted November 11, 2004 Share Posted November 11, 2004 mines a netto facelift non vvti non lsd non cruise 96.5 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Homer Posted November 11, 2004 Author Share Posted November 11, 2004 engine Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
supradibbs Posted November 11, 2004 Share Posted November 11, 2004 I thought the facelift light did not have the silver rings in the headlights? Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
MONKEYmark Posted November 11, 2004 Share Posted November 11, 2004 Originally posted by supradibbs I thought the facelift light did not have the silver rings in the headlights? YES they do, they have a charco colour plastic inside and not all chrome like pre facelift cars. the chrome is just small rings around the lights Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
supradibbs Posted November 11, 2004 Share Posted November 11, 2004 Oh ok:) Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
lovatt Posted November 11, 2004 Share Posted November 11, 2004 it also has a black carpet, was that an option on the pre-facelift ? and those are pre-facelift seats Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
SimonB Posted November 11, 2004 Share Posted November 11, 2004 Hmmm, strange. That's definitely a facelift exterior, with the facelift wings, lights, bumper and I can't believe anyone would go to the trouble of replacing all those on a non facelift car. Easiest explanation would be that someone has mixed the photos up. Is the interior pic definitely of the same car? Btw, the window between facelift and VVTi is actually quite big. The facelift was May 95, and the VVTi appeared in September 97. Mine's a facelift non VVTi. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Aerotop Dave Posted November 11, 2004 Share Posted November 11, 2004 Originally posted by SimonB Easiest explanation would be that someone has mixed the photos up. Is the interior pic definitely of the same car? Well that's what I suspected too - I thought I'd cracked it when I saw how close the blue Skyline was parked next to it and how open the door was in the interior pic - could you open the door up that far with that Skyline parked so close... but then the door isn't open that far actually. If you look at the white cars in the very first photo I think the car on the right is the same one on the left of the photo from the back...? Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Aerotop Dave Posted November 11, 2004 Share Posted November 11, 2004 Someone with more time than me could always trawl through this thread for some more clues: http://www.mkivsupra.net/vbb/showthread.php?s=&threadid=7592 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Homer Posted November 11, 2004 Author Share Posted November 11, 2004 Thanks for all the replies chaps, I've passed this posts link onto the fellow so I'm sure he'll be along shortly to say hello. Originally posted by SimonB Easiest explanation would be that someone has mixed the photos up. Is the interior pic definitely of the same car? Good point - I've heard of traders in Japan doing this before - just supply photos of any old interior just to get a sale... I think we won't know what the car is for sure until it arrives in December! Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Soonto_HAS_soop Posted November 12, 2004 Share Posted November 12, 2004 If the facelift was from May 1995, does that mean that you can get a facelift UK spec car?? I didn't think you could? Also mine is a March 1997 car and is a non VVTi facelift, but it also has those seats in it. All facelifts have the 5 dial dash (not the 4?? dial dash stated). Either the interior pic of that car is incorrect, or the car has had a front smash, they rebuilt it as a facelift, and added rear facelift lights. Ben.. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Aerotop Dave Posted November 12, 2004 Share Posted November 12, 2004 There's definitely a period where facelift cars were produced without VVTi. When I was doing some investigation into the model differences for this site I catalogued a whole load of stuff around this. No UK facelifts though. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Soonto_HAS_soop Posted November 12, 2004 Share Posted November 12, 2004 Originally posted by Aerotop Dave No UK facelifts though. If there are no UK facelifts, and the facelift came in May 95, has anyone with a 96 UK car actually checked the VIN plate to check when exactly it was made?? Ben.. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Ian C Posted November 12, 2004 Share Posted November 12, 2004 It looks like the same car inside and out - there is an anti-rain guard on the driver's side A pillar in the interior shot, and you can just see on the front 3/4 shot another one on the passenger side. Note the heel and toe pattern marks, maybe they were an enthusiastic driver and took the front and rear off at some point /conspiracytheory -Ian Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Alex Posted November 12, 2004 Share Posted November 12, 2004 Just get the bleedin' chassis no.s off the VIN plate...then reference against the list on http://www.mkiv.co.nz. This will tell you what the car is. When it was made. Then you know if you have an older car with new bits bolted on (possibly due to a front ender). If they've just been bolted on then it will be a great start IMO as the facelift exterior stuff is an improvement! Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
dude Posted November 13, 2004 Share Posted November 13, 2004 VVti didnt start till 1988 , i have a 97 non VVTI . Dude:flame Dev Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
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