Conrad Posted August 7, 2007 Share Posted August 7, 2007 As title really, I'm going BPU and was wondering whether to get a FMIC. My last Supe made 390ish (give or take to trans loss) at the fly with plugs, fuel pump, BC, De cat, exhaust etc and wanted to try and better that a little. I know every car is defferent but if I added a FMIC to that list would it help at all? I've seen this 2 row from Japan which is really well priced at £270 delivered. Plus I love the way they look but just wondered if I would get anything more than a cosmetic gain. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
RobSheffield Posted August 7, 2007 Share Posted August 7, 2007 Whats the age and mileage of your car, what state is your SMIC in? Which FMIC is it, they are not all the same. For £270 its not guaranteed to be fantastic! Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
gaz1 Posted August 7, 2007 Share Posted August 7, 2007 no providing yours is in reasonable condition;) did you sort the wheel probs out as i am a bit concerned about that Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
gaz1 Posted August 7, 2007 Share Posted August 7, 2007 Whats the age and mileage of your car, what state is your SMIC in? Which FMIC is it, they are not all the same. For £270 its not guaranteed to be fantastic! beat me again:D Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
hogmaw Posted August 7, 2007 Share Posted August 7, 2007 yes what's the difference in power gain between a half decent fmic and a good smic (CW for instance) Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Conrad Posted August 7, 2007 Author Share Posted August 7, 2007 Not yet Gaz mate, being lazy about getting photos off camera onto here! Will do it in a bit after my tea! Rob, car is a 93 and got about 75k on it. No idea about condition of SMIC - whaere abouts is it? IC on link is a Greddy one so should be half decent no? Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
mikeyb10supra Posted August 7, 2007 Share Posted August 7, 2007 certainly would'nt do any harm mate Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
RobSheffield Posted August 7, 2007 Share Posted August 7, 2007 beat me again:D Still aint got my turbo on either - so be prepared Rob, car is a 93 and got about 75k on it. No idea about condition of SMIC - whaere abouts is it? IC on link is a Greddy one so should be half decent no? Greddy IC ought to be ok yes. SMIC is on the left of the car as you look at it from the front, in the little vent. If it crumbles to the touch get a new one sorted and take care on boost. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
RedM Posted August 7, 2007 Share Posted August 7, 2007 A properly ducted SMIC will be better than sticking on an FMIC although it won't look as cool and you won't get nuff respeck from other Supra owners. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Gaz6002 Posted August 7, 2007 Share Posted August 7, 2007 A lot also hinges on the efficiency of the rad after you whack the big FMIC in front of it. I would recommend a rad cooling plate if you do go FMIC. A SMIC is better suited to BPU IMHO (even though i've got a FMIC ) Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Pete Posted August 7, 2007 Share Posted August 7, 2007 I'm thinking of ordering one of those from them as well. Bargain price. Only because it'll suit the new Stillen front, not for any performance gain at all. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
tDR Posted August 7, 2007 Share Posted August 7, 2007 I had a very good condition stock SMIC which I replaced with a GReddy 3-Row FMIC - made the car decidedly 'perkier' - hard to quantify but I think worth it. Perhaps a contributor to my 121MPH terminals at 1.1 bar boost on a BPU+ car - who knows? Cheers, Brian. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
DamanC Posted August 7, 2007 Share Posted August 7, 2007 I have that very FMIC. Nice bit of kit and well fitting, i would hate to attempt to fit a cheapy. IMO its not needed @ BPU althou I have one as it looks wikkid innit! Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
mikeyb10supra Posted August 7, 2007 Share Posted August 7, 2007 I disagree lads, I noticed a fair change in mine when I slapped mine on, it stands to reason, the stock SMIC had been used to cool the heat generated from 0.8bar of boost, upping it to 1.2 created a hell of a heat increase over stock so in theory a FMIC should be more efficient if properly ducted.....I recall Clarky arguing this point with someone the other day Wez used a SMIC on his single car but believe it or not, it probably generates less heat than a BPU/hybrid car Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Gaz6002 Posted August 7, 2007 Share Posted August 7, 2007 a FMIC should be more efficient if properly ducted This is the key. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Sandy-m2 Posted August 7, 2007 Share Posted August 7, 2007 What about an newer SMIC - like a CW one?? is that going to be ok on bpu Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Wez Posted August 7, 2007 Share Posted August 7, 2007 What about an newer SMIC - like a CW one?? is that going to be ok on bpu Should be fine. The main difference between a single and BPU/Hybrids is that a single setup will be running in the turbos efficiency range and not generating the same excess heat as over stressed stock/hybrid turbos. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
merckx Posted August 7, 2007 Share Posted August 7, 2007 As far as I know there's never been any tests done to establish the efficiency of FMIC's or SMIC's. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
dandan Posted August 7, 2007 Share Posted August 7, 2007 My fully ducted front mount gave definite "seat of the pants" gains over my sidemount which was in pretty decent shape. I have sidemount data and just need to gather the same data for the front mount and I'll know where I stand. A trip back to the RR wouldn't be a bad idea but it's not gonna happen... Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Clarkey Posted August 7, 2007 Share Posted August 7, 2007 A properly ducted SMIC will be better than sticking on an FMIC although it won't look as cool and you won't get nuff respeck from other Supra owners. As far as I know there's never been any tests done to establish the efficiency of FMIC's or SMIC's. Howabout it Jody et Interpro ? Help solve a mystery here. This is the kind of things I'd like traders to do. Organise a test pref with a CW SMIC vrs a FMIC. Not a dyno test - as I don't think that's a worthly test. But say a heat soak test. Blat a BPU car up and down a motorway armed with a CW SMIC. Then do the same but with a BPU car armed with a FMIC. And measure Before & After heat soak. Both cars done on the same day, if possible same time & conditions (ie Boost) For sure "they're different cars." - and assumations will have to be made. But this is a simple test. One thing it will prove is which IC by the end of the runs is more heatsoaked. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
markrzs Posted August 7, 2007 Share Posted August 7, 2007 Howabout it Jody et Interpro ? Help solve a mystery here. This is the kind of things I'd like traders to do. Organise a test pref with a CW SMIC vrs a FMIC. Not a dyno test - as I don't think that's a worthly test. But say a heat soak test. Blat a BPU car up and down a motorway armed with a CW SMIC. Then do the same but with a BPU car armed with a FMIC. And measure Before & After heat soak. Both cars done on the same day, if possible same time & conditions (ie Boost) For sure "they're different cars." - and assumations will have to be made. But this is a simple test. One thing it will prove is which IC by the end of the runs is more heatsoaked. Now thats a great idea Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
mr keef Posted August 7, 2007 Share Posted August 7, 2007 when i fitted a front mount intercooler to my last bpu supe it made a massive difference:) Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Conrad Posted August 8, 2007 Author Share Posted August 8, 2007 Well I've just been out and poked my SMIC - it's like a Shredded Wheat!! Crumbling to bits, so that's that. Going to order me that Greddy one straight away... Gaz 6002 mentioned a rad cooling plate and a few other people mentioned correct ducting on the IC. Anyone know to a guide on correct ducting? or is it a case of common sense and blocking off anywhere that air can bypass the IC? Oh and where can I get a rad cooling plate? I have an engineer mate who could make one if they're pretty simple.... Thanks for the help guys! Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Nic Posted August 8, 2007 Share Posted August 8, 2007 Oh and where can I get a rad cooling plate? Give me a shout Conrad if you want prices for one. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Gaz6002 Posted August 8, 2007 Share Posted August 8, 2007 Ducting info on this site: http://www.automotivearticles.com/Ducting.shtml Thanks to mikeyb10supra for the link. I would have linked his thread but it's not letting me do it. Possible HTML bug with the hover-over feature I think (or user error - I'm at home ill after all) Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
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