SMiFFAD Posted August 6, 2007 Share Posted August 6, 2007 http://www.pistonheads.co.uk/news/default.asp?storyId=16568 Sounds a stunning idea to me Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
ivan Posted August 6, 2007 Share Posted August 6, 2007 Damn right! AND they ought to keep the L plates on for a year and not be allowed to drive unsupervised. Kids of today... Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
hogmaw Posted August 7, 2007 Share Posted August 7, 2007 If anything they should raise the limit for use of cars of a higher insurance group to over 21s. At the moment a 17 year old can drive any high performance vehicle and that's where much of the problem lies Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Gord R Posted August 7, 2007 Share Posted August 7, 2007 I think its unfair to say all of us are the same.. At the end of the day its knowing how to behave on the road - but also when and where.. Im just about to take my test.. and i see no reason why another year would make any difference.. i feel competant enough to drive safely on the road - know my limits and the cars limits.. To me the test itself needs updating.. it should be conpulsary to take advanced driving tests or pass plus... because lets be honest i live in a rural area where b roads are more common thana roads.. so what does 45 mins of driving round a town teach me?!?! Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Gaz6002 Posted August 7, 2007 Share Posted August 7, 2007 One thing: It's not all about your own conduct on the road. It's also about being able to anticipate what others will do. That can only come from experience. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
hogmaw Posted August 7, 2007 Share Posted August 7, 2007 I think its unfair to say all of us are the same.. Yes but one rotten apple spoils the barrel, and there are a lot of rotten 17 years olds around, as the road accident stats prove At the end of the day its knowing how to behave on the road - but also when and where.. Yes and that's why experience is everything! IMO 17 is too young for a car, especially a high performance one. i live in a rural area where b roads are more common thana roads.. so what does 45 mins of driving round a town teach me?!?! Perhaps it'll teach you that when you do drive around a town - which you will one day - then you won't have a crash! Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Gord R Posted August 7, 2007 Share Posted August 7, 2007 One thing: It's not all about your own conduct on the road. It's also about being able to anticipate what others will do. That can only come from experience. Yes iwthout a doubt experience is everything... but at the end of the day - whether you are 17 or 18 you ares till a fresh driver with less experience. Another factor is the older generation.. lets be honest if we are on the topic of anticipation to react to a situation - they are less likely to react as quick as younger driver.. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Gord R Posted August 7, 2007 Share Posted August 7, 2007 Perhaps it'll teach you that when you do drive around a town - which you will one day - then you won't have a crash! Indeed .. i am by no means saying i should do no town work BUT i think tests should be dependant in some way of area... because althought town work is crucial so is being able to cope with a narrower b road where there is a huge amount of hazards but also in many cases far more technical roads. i see driving day in day out that is truely appalling on smaller country roads - and its not just the younger generation.. people no longer seem able to manage more technical roads.. they feel 20-30mph a fit speed to travel.. which then in itself causes a hazard Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Gaz6002 Posted August 7, 2007 Share Posted August 7, 2007 Yes iwthout a doubt experience is everything... but at the end of the day - whether you are 17 or 18 you ares till a fresh driver with less experience. Another factor is the older generation.. lets be honest if we are on the topic of anticipation to react to a situation - they are less likely to react as quick as younger driver.. I think in some cases "less able" is the right phrase but "less likley"... I doubt it. Your first sentence made my point beautifully Thats not the arguement here anyway, it's about the problem of younger drivers. I am 23 and have been driving (off the road) since I was 14. I completely understand why I wasn't allowed on the road earlier and actually in hindsight think I was driving too early. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
hogmaw Posted August 7, 2007 Share Posted August 7, 2007 Indeed .. i am by no means saying i should do no town work BUT i think tests should be dependant in some way of area... because althought town work is crucial so is being able to cope with a narrower b road where there is a huge amount of hazards but also in many cases far more technical roads. i see driving day in day out that is truely appalling on smaller country roads - and its not just the younger generation.. people no longer seem able to manage more technical roads.. they feel 20-30mph a fit speed to travel.. which then in itself causes a hazard As a driver of over 20 years on practially every road you can imagine in many countries, in all weathers etc etc etc, by far the most technical and difficult roads to drive on are inner city streets. With pedestrians, bikes, cars, buses and the ridiculous amount of signs, lanes, one-way systems, crossings these days etc etc there's almost a sensory overload at every moment. Especially in rush hour, when it's raining. And dark. And you're in a hurry. Put a 17 year old driver in that situation and you have a problem. Do the same when he's got his mates in the back, egging him on and it's just a matter of time. Sorry mate but country roads really are a piece of piss! What are these 'huge amount of hazards' you refer to? Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Gaz6002 Posted August 7, 2007 Share Posted August 7, 2007 What are these 'huge amount of hazards' you refer to? badgers. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
ivan Posted August 7, 2007 Share Posted August 7, 2007 Badgers 3 - Supras 0 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Ian R Posted August 7, 2007 Share Posted August 7, 2007 Mike Rutherford had a fair point on it. It is to be put in place to cut road deaths. Fact is it 17-25 year olds cause more accidents not 17-18 year olds. It will force some 17 year olds in rural communities to have to give up the job they have without transport. They are more likely to get scooters and motorbikes which are for more dangerous than cars. The facts are that 17-25 year olds are in more accidents and not necessary the cause if the accident. IMO the driver curfew for 17-21 year olds would have a more positive impact (i.e not allowed to drive after dark) Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Gord R Posted August 7, 2007 Share Posted August 7, 2007 Hogmaw - i agree with you experience counts for alot when driving and again i agree with you on the passenger front - it goes back to the knowing how to behave and adapt to a situation driving. Without a doubt there are alot of stupid young drivers out there but the point i was originally trying to get across was i think its unfair to brand all 17 year olds the same. Without trying to sound to big headed id like to thuink im fairly mature about the way i drive ok i lack experience of some drivers i accept. But iy 17 or 18 the situation arises just a year later... concerns me you dont think there are many hazards on rural b roads though Ian made a very good point about jobs etc there... like at the moment i have no way of travelling to 6th form as no buses are provided and its the same for many others so a car is rather essential for me. But anyway thats me finished Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Guest Geneb Posted August 7, 2007 Share Posted August 7, 2007 I think they should change the law so that anything over a 1.2L requires you to be 25 and over and and car with an engine size over 2.0L Requires you to be 30+ Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Guest Geneb Posted August 7, 2007 Share Posted August 7, 2007 They are more likely to get scooters and motorbikes which are for more dangerous than cars. The facts are that 17-25 year olds are in more accidents and not necessary the cause if the accident. IMO the driver curfew for 17-21 year olds would have a more positive impact (i.e not allowed to drive after dark) Fact is they are more danger to other people when driving a car than riding a scooter, at least they wont be carrying 4 passengers. and if they drive into a car at least the person in the car has a better chance of coming out of the accident hitting a scooter rather than another car Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
edd_t Posted August 7, 2007 Share Posted August 7, 2007 hmmmm i agree with the some of the others. Raising it to 18 would be bad, at 17 you have left school need to get a job or go to college and thats when needing to drive comes into effect. its more to do with the metality of the driver, if the kid is a burk at 17 hes still gonna be one at 18 so it wont make a difference. Brilliant idea for zero tollerence on alcohol, but i think that should be the case what ever age anyway. and certainly younger drivers shouldnt be able to have access to higher powerd cars. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
SMiFFAD Posted August 7, 2007 Author Share Posted August 7, 2007 I cant believe they still dont do a motorway test. My GF has been driving for 2 years now and has never set foot on a motorway as shes scared whitless of them! Yet, if she so chose she could amble off around the nations M'ways, with no idea of what shes actually doing, perfectly legally. Its left to me to go out with her and teach her how to drive on them (stiff drink may be required first ) To all thouse about to take or who have just taken their test, who think they are ready.... give it two/three years and youll look back and go white thinking about how you drive now - i know i did Drivings all about experience, which you can only get by practising, so in one way the driving age could be 30 and you'd still get numpties in BMW's , and on the other hand if people are forced to be guided for a year before they jump in and drive off, it must be a good thing. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
edd_t Posted August 7, 2007 Share Posted August 7, 2007 I cant believe they still dont do a motorway test. My GF has been driving for 2 years now and has never set foot on a motorway as shes scared whitless of them! get ya gf on a Pass Plus course. I took that straight after my driving test. not only does it get me an extra 10% off insurance still (10 years on) they took me on a motorway, night driving, driving in bad conditions. it really helped. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Pig Posted August 7, 2007 Share Posted August 7, 2007 I think 17 is nearly always too young - I like most other 17 year olds though I was gods gift to driving. I promised myself and others around me that i was sensible but as soon as i got behind the wheel the red mist descended and i was on the worlds biggest race track. Now at 22........ not much has changed P.S Agree with the engine limit but i think it should be based on BHP like on bikes. Dont let it come in too early though as i wont be able to drive the poopra. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Scoboblio Posted August 7, 2007 Share Posted August 7, 2007 Rubbish. The driving age is spot on at 17 because at that age, a lot of people need a car to get a job, go to college, live a life etc etc. As has already been said, driving is all about experience, so how's raising the age they can start going to help? Someone who's a maniac behind the wheel of a car at 17 is going to be exactly the same at 18, or 21, or 25. Of course when you were all 17 you were absolute angels, and now you're older you can persecute every teenager with the prejudice of being a bad driver. We already have a way of doing that, it's called insurance. I'll never forget how insulted I felt, when at 18 and trying to insure my first car, I was described as a 'danger' by insurance companies. Lay off of young drivers. We were all learners once, and raising the age will just give us older learners, not safer ones. Look in the back of most car magazines at the insurance adverts, and tell me it's fair to lump young people in with dangerous drivers - "We insure young and convicted drivers!" is usually the message. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Sparky Posted August 7, 2007 Share Posted August 7, 2007 Yes but one rotten apple spoils the barrel, and there are a lot of rotten 17 years olds around, as the road accident stats prove I think you'll find that your more likely to be in an accident if your alot older. Around 50/60 i think it was! Just because we wern't around when the wheel was invented doesnt mean you should point fingers... Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Scoboblio Posted August 7, 2007 Share Posted August 7, 2007 I think they should change the law so that anything over a 1.2L requires you to be 25 and over and and car with an engine size over 2.0L Requires you to be 30+ That's Lewis Hamilton screwed then. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Sharpie Posted August 7, 2007 Share Posted August 7, 2007 You can't drive but, we will send you to war if you join up......go figure! Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
jamesmark Posted August 7, 2007 Share Posted August 7, 2007 With regards to driving jobs, there are not that many companies out there that will happily recruit a driver under 21 years old as unsurance would be far to high for them. The only one I can think of is a garage, pizza/takeaway delivery boy. I do support to raise it, also would like to see introduced a time frame that you have to learn to drive for at least a year and also cover ie 25 lessons by a qualified driving instructor to be eligable to sit a test, pluss for this is better training more work for driving instrutors and then cheaper prices as it would be virtually garaunteed work for them. However it is a bit whacky the idea. Personally I would like to see the limit raised to 21 but it is not practical at all and there is to much against this Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
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