s3upra Posted July 12, 2007 Share Posted July 12, 2007 I'm both - but on this one I'm a realist, and I would be very, very surprised if any of those men got released a day earlier than their time is due. So much shit would come down it would be unreal. They haven't let Myra Hindley out yet have they? How many years is that? See your point,but IRA prisoners were let out early(despite some of the atrocities). Myra Hindly isnt a political prisoner. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
hogmaw Posted July 12, 2007 Share Posted July 12, 2007 I see yours too. Would you swap the freedom of those 4 terrorists for Bin Laden? Of course you would, and the only way those men will be freed will be if it is in our interests to do so. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Havard Posted July 12, 2007 Share Posted July 12, 2007 How would the death penalty be a deterrent to a attempted suicide bomber? The death penalty is not a deterrent anyway. It hasn't measurably lowered crime in the US states that have reintroduced it. What would you suggest Jake?? I feel we need to do something and fast. I appreciate that these guys were suicide bombers so what is the benfit of keeping them alive? They serve no purpose to British society and I think if this had happened on American soil then they would have been executed by now. I think that for every action there needs to be a suitable re-action, at the moments I don't feel that our punishments mirror the seriousness of the crime! Just an opinion! H. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
jim_supra Posted July 12, 2007 Share Posted July 12, 2007 They haven't let Myra Hindley out yet have they? How many years is that? They have let Myra Hindley out, they had to, she was dead. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Jake Posted July 13, 2007 Share Posted July 13, 2007 OUCH!!!!!! LMAO shame im here to stay till i get banned again;) Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
ivan Posted July 13, 2007 Author Share Posted July 13, 2007 LOL Jake. BTW, still no comment from Imi etc. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Class One Posted July 13, 2007 Share Posted July 13, 2007 There was an interesting dicussion on the Jeremy Vine show on Radio 2 the other day while leftie Jeremy was away on holiday and they had a more balanced presenter guesting. Anyway I digress, he was interviewing some chap who claimed to represent some Islamic group in Britain who said that he could not condemn the bombers, that he only recognised sharia law, that he did not recognise the laws of this country etc etc etc. However, we shouldn't heckle our members to publicly air their views on the sentencing of these terrorists. Whilst they're entitled to their views, they're also entitled to their privacy, and I don't personally think it is fair to draw an inference on the fact that some members have chosen NOT to express a view. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
ivan Posted July 13, 2007 Author Share Posted July 13, 2007 Fair enough - wrist slapped and remembered. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Tannhauser Posted July 13, 2007 Share Posted July 13, 2007 I appreciate that these guys were suicide bombers so what is the benfit of keeping them alive? They serve no purpose to British society and I think if this had happened on American soil then they would have been executed by now. They would have executed the Guildford Four and Birmingham Six, then. Even convictions that look cast iron at the time can turn out to be incorrect. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Havard Posted July 13, 2007 Share Posted July 13, 2007 They would have executed the Guildford Four and Birmingham Six, then. Even convictions that look cast iron at the time can turn out to be incorrect. Good point but that was a long time ago and I would have trusted that phorensic evidence CCTV footage have come along way since then etc!! Maybe killing them is not the answer but we definitely need to toughen up as we are looking like a laughing stock to criminals and terrorists. Even the chavs are having a wail of a time!! H. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Tannhauser Posted July 15, 2007 Share Posted July 15, 2007 Good point but that was a long time ago and I would have trusted that phorensic evidence CCTV footage have come along way since then etc!!. That's true, but they haven't come so far as to be infallible. The trouble with forensic evidence is that it can give the impression that it can't be wrong, because its 'scientific' in nature. But CCTV varies in quality and mistakes can be made in identification from it. Even DNA testing has the potential for error. Maybe killing them is not the answer but we definitely need to toughen up as we are looking like a laughing stock to criminals and terrorists. Even the chavs are having a wail of a time!! I thought custodial sentences were (a) getting longer and (b) were given more often over the last ten years or so? Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Tannhauser Posted July 15, 2007 Share Posted July 15, 2007 I had a quick Google. From 1995-2005: The real culprit behind the rise in the prison population since 1995 is the extent to which the Crown Court has passed many more long and very long prison sentences. At the end of 1995, there were 32,000 people in prison for sentences of over 12 months. This number rose by 2005 to 54,000, an increase of 70%. The numbers serving sentences of four years and over alone at the end of 2005 was 32,000, an increase of 90% since 1991. (Info from Paul Kiff, Cracking Crime Scientific Research Group, University of East London) Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Dragonball Posted July 15, 2007 Share Posted July 15, 2007 . Especially that fat fuck ringleader, you know - the retarded looking one. . They are all retarded scum believing that shit - but I also think in cases like this that the families should also be made to give up their homes and be thrown out on the street penniless (and perhaps a couple of judiciously placed tatoos to indicate what kind of twats they were related to...!) What thought to the families they would have blighted if the bombs had gone off? Bastards the lot of them... Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Jake Posted July 15, 2007 Share Posted July 15, 2007 They are all retarded scum believing that shit - but I also think in cases like this that the families should also be made to give up their homes and be thrown out on the street penniless (and perhaps a couple of judiciously placed tatoos to indicate what kind of twats they were related to...!) What thought to the families they would have blighted if the bombs had gone off? Bastards the lot of them... Blimey Paul. You're not your usual diplomatic self today. You can't punish people for the crimes of their family members though. It goes against the whole principle of British justice, IMO. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
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