lui Posted July 9, 2007 Share Posted July 9, 2007 FROM THIS http://img20.imageshack.us/img20/9743/img0008hb2.jpg Shot with Canon DIGITAL IXUS 750 at 2007-07-09 TO NOW THIS http://img516.imageshack.us/img516/7592/img0570sf0.jpg Shot with Canon DIGITAL IXUS 750 at 2007-07-09 Couple of pic's of the state of pistons http://img525.imageshack.us/img525/4114/img0572qk9.jpg Shot with Canon DIGITAL IXUS 750 at 2007-07-09 http://img507.imageshack.us/img507/7370/img0577on0.jpg Shot with Canon DIGITAL IXUS 750 at 2007-07-09 So now it's time for the major heart surgery to begin :eyebrows: All started of by a approximately 5 months ago with symptoms of drastic oil loss every 400-500 miles kept losing oil kept going from max to min on dip stick. Slowly getting worse & in the end from 200-100 miles same loss on dip stick. At time loads of thing going through the mind turbo seals / valve stem seals who knows. Been slowly through this period picking up parts to do my next upgrade too. Next problem within the past month or 2 started getting bad miss fire. Next stage got it booked into Mark at Phoenix to do my next stage of upgrades & hopefully get misfire & oil problem sorted out at same time. Told Mark of oil & misfire problems. So before starting my Hybrid conversion mark wanted to do a couple of test to see what's happening inside the block. Cut long story short done leak down test & showed that No. 5 cylinder was only 50%. So before hybrid conversion starts off with Head to have look what's going on. On removal found that couple of valve guides badly damaged & looking at block there has been quiet a lot of detonation going on. To cut long story short while at this stage did no longer want my new hybrids going on with state of engine & head that it is. So now this is what i have gone for & deciding to do a complete make over to my engine bay. 01. Brand new Toyota Short block 02. Brand new oil pump 03. Brand new water pump. 04. New head bolts. 05. Complete new engine gasket set. 06. Head fully overhauled complete with new stem seals / guides where needed & fully re shimmed & what ever else need doing to the head to make it like brand new. 07. Brand new Envy stage 3 Hybrids 08. HKS 264 cam's for intake & exhaust 09. Uk 550 injectors. 10. Resistor pack. 11. Aeromotive fuel pressure regulator kit with liquid filled gauge. 12. E-Manage Ultimate & harnesses 13. Aem air fuel ratio gauge 14. Aem water temp gauge 15. Carbon pillar pod for gauges 16. Denso Iridiums IK24 plugs 17. The new HFS-5 Water Injection System by Aquamist 18. New o2 sensor 19. New tensioner Some of my spec to compliment above: Blitz SBC I Colour Boost controller Blitz oil pressure sensor Blitz oil temp sensor Blitz BL Series EGT Gauge Blitz LM V Spec Front mounted Inter cooler with polished hard pipe kit Mikalor clamps for Inter cooler Hard pipes and all other places in place of jubilee clips Greddy chrome oil filter sandwich plate to take oil sensors New Apexi Power Intake filter Denso IK24 Iridium Spark plugs Blitz NUR Spec R Full stainless exhaust system Envy Performance Double DE-CAT 3” pipes 1.2 Bar restrictor ring Walbro Up rated Fuel Pump HKS SSQV BOV / Dump valve Running on Fully Synthetic Oil (Silkoline Pro S) TRD (Jap spec) Oil filter All mechanical work carried out by Mark at Phoenix. All electrical work carried out by Matt Harwood. Mapping to be carried out by IanC. By tomorrow hopefully old engine fully out , picking up engine & major engine parts from Steve Manley Wednesday Morning. All ready for the weekend & hopefully all going back in & up & running by end of next week ready for JAE but no promises So end result brand new engine running on Envy Stage 3 Hybrids & hopefully right fuel set up for it too. See link below for complete web album / slideshow of my rebuild: http://picasaweb.google.co.uk/lui1966/MySupraEngineRebuild Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
lui Posted July 9, 2007 Author Share Posted July 9, 2007 Quick question with the fuel set up will the Apexi Neo be fine for controling the fuel set up ????????????? Or should I be looking for somthing like a E-manage ??????? See link below for specs of the Apexi Neo: http://www.apexi-usa.com/product_electronics_detail.asp?id=260&pageNum=1 It's the newer version of the Apexi SAFC II Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
hogmaw Posted July 10, 2007 Share Posted July 10, 2007 What a state. Surpised it took you 5 months Lui with oil loss like that! You're in safe hands with Phoenix tho, and a nice project to get to grips with too, best of luck to you. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
RobSheffield Posted July 10, 2007 Share Posted July 10, 2007 Good luck Lui, sounds nice spec Id prefer to use something like an E-manage rather than a Neo. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Suprash Posted July 10, 2007 Share Posted July 10, 2007 Lui, I wonder if yours is the car that Mark phoned me about today, as my car was supposed to be booked in for tomorrow for some parts fitted, but as they havent arrived yet, he called asking if I would need my slot still as he was just about to strip a Supra completely. Also interesting to read about your oil usage, as I too use a lot of oil and mark originally thought oil rings, CW is adament (sp?) its valve stem seals........but interesting that you are getting a short block in , as thats what Mark suggested to me should my problems be oil rings...... Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Homer Posted July 10, 2007 Share Posted July 10, 2007 Crikey, what a mess! Looks like it's had some det issues in the past and some serious oil leakage. Not surprised after the last time we met, it sounded rough as hell As mentioned on the phone, I have some opinions as to the cause of these, but best we not discuss right now No5 is the piston most susceptible to heat issues so is normally the one that suffers det on an engine pushed past fuelling/cooling limits. Regarding the ECU, Ryan G knows the Apexi units very well so it would be worth a chat with him before making a decision which to go for. As I've mentioned before - choose your mapper - then choose your ECU Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Suprash Posted July 10, 2007 Share Posted July 10, 2007 As mentioned on the phone, I have some opinions as to the cause of these Fancy having a crack at mine then, as Im getting conflicting reasons from Phoenix and CW........ PM us...... Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
rush Posted July 10, 2007 Share Posted July 10, 2007 Best o luck lui, hope all goes well mate, i'll pop over and see you when my car comes back from michel lane. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
lui Posted July 10, 2007 Author Share Posted July 10, 2007 Lui, I wonder if yours is the car that Mark phoned me about today, as my car was supposed to be booked in for tomorrow for some parts fitted, but as they ha vent arrived yet, he called asking if I would need my slot still as he was just about to strip a Supra completely. Also interesting to read about your oil usage, as I too use a lot of oil and mark originally thought oil rings, CW is adament (sp?) its valve stem seals........but interesting that you are getting a short block in , as that's what Mark suggested to me should my problems be oil rings...... Well to cancel out all things i just wanted everything new & that way will cure all problems just did no want at this stage skipping anything & when all back & running still problems so at this stage just went for new everything When all work done hopefully will be like a brand new power transplant under the hood. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Pig Posted July 10, 2007 Share Posted July 10, 2007 Unlucky lui - are you considering a forged engine for when/if you go single? Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
gaz1 Posted July 10, 2007 Share Posted July 10, 2007 well done mate she will be worth it when she is finished;) Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
mikeyb10supra Posted July 10, 2007 Share Posted July 10, 2007 Nice one Lui....for a moment I thoght you were going to do the work yourself and I was going to say hats off that will be an even nicer car once finished Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Alex Posted July 10, 2007 Share Posted July 10, 2007 AFAIK the Neo still features the same range of adjustment in the fueling, and this isn't going to be as useful as an e-manage. The nice thing about an e-manage is that it's hidden out of the way so no dashboard clutter... Its your choice, you're not going too mad with the injectors so you'll probably get fair results with the NEO.....but I'd rather have the e-manage. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Alex Posted July 10, 2007 Share Posted July 10, 2007 Out of interest, something caused your det... Was the Apexi NEO already installed and "configured" by someone? I see you have an FSE Fuel Regulator. I'm delighted that you're replacing it with a proper FPR. I would suspect the NEO (incorrectly configured) or the FSE (prone to failure) are your most likely candidates for the cause. Unless the something else breaking up caused a hot spot (like the valve guide?) Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Ian C Posted July 10, 2007 Share Posted July 10, 2007 A hot spot would only affect one cylinder I reckon. Nasty, nasty FSE gets my vote -Ian Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Clarkey Posted July 10, 2007 Share Posted July 10, 2007 Is det audible ? And if the ECU detects det does it try to retard the timing as much as possible ? Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Matt Harwood Posted July 10, 2007 Share Posted July 10, 2007 I'd go with FSE as well. I was up at Phoenix when Mark removed the head. I've got some photo's of the dead valves on my phone which, if it's OK with you Lui, I'll post up later. It can't be the Neo, as I only fitted it that day, after the engine was stripped. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
lui Posted July 10, 2007 Author Share Posted July 10, 2007 Unlucky lui - are you considering a forged engine for when/if you go single? Just leaving block standard for a while as i am going to keep with the hybrids for a while Out of interest, something caused your det... Was the Apexi NEO already installed and "configured" by someone? I see you have an FSE Fuel Regulator. I'm delighted that you're replacing it with a proper FPR. I would suspect the NEO (incorrectly configured) or the FSE (prone to failure) are your most likely candidates for the cause. Unless the something else breaking up caused a hot spot (like the valve guide?) Also replacing fuel pressure regulator too for Aeromotive FPR. A hot spot would only affect one cylinder I reckon. Nasty, nasty FSE gets my vote -Ian That what it looks like. I'd go with FSE as well. I was up at Phoenix when Mark removed the head. I've got some photo's of the dead valves on my phone which, if it's OK with you Lui, I'll post up later. It can't be the Neo, as I only fitted it that day, after the engine was stripped. Took more pic's of head & valve guides today & will be putting them up shortly Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
p111ddy Posted July 10, 2007 Share Posted July 10, 2007 hope u get it all set up and sorted in time for JAE mate Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Suprash Posted July 10, 2007 Share Posted July 10, 2007 Sorry to jump in half way Lui, but what would you say the cause of this was, is it suspected that the FSE was to blame........ Just curious as Im running a FSE also, and since running it, around 10,000 miles later Im getting excessive oil usage........just trying to determin why or possible reasons...... Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
lui Posted July 10, 2007 Author Share Posted July 10, 2007 My old valve guides & close up of badly damaged one. http://img400.imageshack.us/img400/1402/img0586tp6.jpg Shot with Canon DIGITAL IXUS 750 at 2007-07-10 http://img400.imageshack.us/img400/2639/img0587is0.jpg Shot with Canon DIGITAL IXUS 750 at 2007-07-10 Afew pics of my head & some clos up's of where valve guides situated http://img400.imageshack.us/img400/6003/img0588mz9.jpg Shot with Canon DIGITAL IXUS 750 at 2007-07-10 http://img400.imageshack.us/img400/6852/img0589kw9.jpg Shot with Canon DIGITAL IXUS 750 at 2007-07-10 http://img408.imageshack.us/img408/5117/img0590eo5.jpg Shot with Canon DIGITAL IXUS 750 at 2007-07-10 http://img530.imageshack.us/img530/2958/img0591od3.jpg Shot with Canon DIGITAL IXUS 750 at 2007-07-10 http://img530.imageshack.us/img530/4863/img0592ek3.jpg Shot with Canon DIGITAL IXUS 750 at 2007-07-10 http://img530.imageshack.us/img530/5541/img0593hk3.jpg Shot with Canon DIGITAL IXUS 750 at 2007-07-10 http://img361.imageshack.us/img361/6030/img0594yl7.jpg Shot with Canon DIGITAL IXUS 750 at 2007-07-10 http://img178.imageshack.us/img178/8144/img0595lb1.jpg Shot with Canon DIGITAL IXUS 750 at 2007-07-10 A couple of pic's of my new Envy Stage 3 Hybrids http://img178.imageshack.us/img178/4034/img0598or4.jpg Shot with Canon DIGITAL IXUS 750 at 2007-07-10 http://img178.imageshack.us/img178/1599/img0597yw2.jpg Shot with Canon DIGITAL IXUS 750 at 2007-07-10 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
lui Posted July 10, 2007 Author Share Posted July 10, 2007 Sorry to jump in half way Lui, but what would you say the cause of this was, is it suspected that the FSE was to blame........ Just curious as Im running a FSE also, and since running it, around 10,000 miles later Im getting excessive oil usage........just trying to determin why or possible reasons...... So far it's looking that way Amazing how much damaged a little £70.00 unit does heh Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
lui Posted July 10, 2007 Author Share Posted July 10, 2007 AFAIK the Neo still features the same range of adjustment in the fueling, and this isn't going to be as useful as an e-manage. The nice thing about an e-manage is that it's hidden out of the way so no dashboard clutter... Its your choice, you're not going too mad with the injectors so you'll probably get fair results with the NEO.....but I'd rather have the e-manage. Just wondered for what reason do you say E manage over Apexi Neo as i will be running set up with only 550 injectors ???? When finally done will be hoping to have boost set up's at: 1.0 bar 1.1 bar 1.2 bar 1.3 bar 1.4 bar Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Suprash Posted July 10, 2007 Share Posted July 10, 2007 So far it's looking that way Amazing how much damaged a little £70.00 unit does heh I have a funny feeling Im there with you somewhere, or if not FSE, then SAFC to blame........Im not sure yet until Mark pulls my head off, hopefully by the end of the year, if I ever get the car back from GVN and get these issues resolved with Envy........ Oh the joys of throwing away good money............ Hope you get it all sorted though mate and not at too expense to your wallet.......... Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Clarkey Posted July 11, 2007 Share Posted July 11, 2007 Just wondered for what reason do you say E manage over Apexi Neo as i will be running set up with only 550 injectors ???? When finally done will be hoping to have boost set up's at: 1.0 bar 1.1 bar 1.2 bar 1.3 bar 1.4 bar The EM makes your Thor FCD redundant. It can sense boost pressure & can also change ignitioni timing. On the Neo, not sure if it is aware of boost. I'm sure that it can't change the timing. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
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