bolarbag Posted July 9, 2007 Share Posted July 9, 2007 Mostly Ju Jitsu but with an element of Muay thai yup, Muay Thai all the way, I trained Karate(Shotokan) for 3 years when I was younger and although it helps reflexes, general fitness and can inspire confidence, I feel it is a good past time, rather than self defence. If you are looking to get your fitness up, yes one of the more tame martial arts like Karate is a good idea, but if your looking for self defence Boxing, Muay Thai, Ju Jitsu, and MMA are the ones to train in. The problem with any martial art over here is, it is generally 'commercialised' i.e confidence gain with every belt change. Some street thug that goes to attack a 'black belt' in Karate that has confidence to fight back rather than trying to strike and run away may end up getting him/herself into some serious bother. Although the street thug may not have an art to follow, he will have experienced many of fights and be more used to 'combat' than the 'trained' black belt. But as with all martial arts it is the individual rather than the art that is effective(or not). Best for fitness...Karate TKD e.t.c Best fro 'Self Defence'(if it can even be applied these days:rolleyes:) Muay Thai, JJ, MMA, better to cross train though p.s Got to 1st Dan after 9 years of hard training I assume you have a disability...no offence intended Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
grahamc Posted July 9, 2007 Share Posted July 9, 2007 yup, Muay Thai all the way, I trained Karate(Shotokan) for 3 years when I was younger and although it helps reflexes, general fitness and can inspire confidence, I feel it is a good past time, rather than self defence. If you are looking to get your fitness up, yes one of the more tame martial arts like Karate is a good idea, but if your looking for self defence Boxing, Muay Thai, Ju Jitsu, and MMA are the ones to train in. The problem with any martial art over here is, it is generally 'commercialised' i.e confidence gain with every belt change. Some street thug that goes to attack a 'black belt' in Karate that has confidence to fight back rather than trying to strike and run away may end up getting him/herself into some serious bother. Although the street thug may not have an art to follow, he will have experienced many of fights and be more used to 'combat' than the 'trained' black belt. But as with all martial arts it is the individual rather than the art that is effective(or not). Best for fitness...Karate TKD e.t.c Best fro 'Self Defence'(if it can even be applied these days:rolleyes:) Muay Thai, JJ, MMA, better to cross train though p.s I assume you have a disability...no offence intended Agree most of what you have said. Some styles are suited more for sport, and therefore skip the more "hardcore" strikes/techiques that could be really beneficial in a "real-life" siituation. IE. some one in your house, throat strikes, groin strikes, etc are not used in karate. Dont put the physical aspects of Muay Thai down, when I trained it, it was awesome for fitness, strength, flexability and self-defense. The only thing missing, really, was grappling and ground work (which I am not a fan of). When I trained in South Africa, there were laws saying that our instructors could NOT teach us things like neck breaks, kill moves, etc. However they could show us what NOT to do. My instructor (teaching 2 people) ended up showing most of these things. Now I hope I never in a situation where I physically have to use this, however I would prefer to know it rather than not. I have not trained here for long, but guess that the laws are even more strict around what can and cannot be taught. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
bolarbag Posted July 9, 2007 Share Posted July 9, 2007 Dont put the physical aspects of Muay Thai down, when I trained it, it was awesome for fitness, strength, flexability and self-defense. Not at all, it is the most awesome 'martial art' of all imo:) It is a true 'fighting' style imho, and you train to take hits too But if I were to come across a good ju jitsu practicioner you dont have much time to put it into play, as they want to entertain strikes and go to ground, hence why is it is wise to cross train;) Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
VELOCITY Posted July 9, 2007 Share Posted July 9, 2007 can you please tell me more about "Aikijitsu"? any sites?? is it aikido? Its all about taking people down to the floor, using blocks, punches and using pressure points on there body eg behind adams apple This is where i trained/train http://www.sleepingstorm.com/arts/aikijitsu Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
grahamc Posted July 9, 2007 Share Posted July 9, 2007 Not at all, it is the most awesome 'martial art' of all imo:) It is a true 'fighting' style imho, and you train to take hits too But if I were to come across a good ju jitsu practicioner you dont have much time to put it into play, as they want to entertain strikes and go to ground, hence why is it is wise to cross train;) completely agree... muay thai is probably one of the most devastating stand up fighting styles there is. the power that these little guys can get from a knee or elbow, that does not look like much at all is amazing... however you dont have to train to take hits, which is why it can be so popular! the fitness side... Really comes down to the fighters, some can create distance out of nothing, some cant. ut my money would be on the jujitsu fighter most of the time. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
razza Posted July 9, 2007 Share Posted July 9, 2007 If you are looking to get your fitness up, yes one of the more tame martial arts like Karate is a good idea, but if your looking for self defence Boxing, Muay Thai, Ju Jitsu, and MMA are the ones to train in. It all depends on your instructor, any art can be tame if not taught properly, and vice versa a tame art can be made more brutal. It all depends whether the instructor does it for love, money, or fame.... Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
razza Posted July 9, 2007 Share Posted July 9, 2007 Got my black belt in Ju Jitsu last Sunday - took all day but well worth it. My Sensei has done a bit of everything, and our syllabus reflects it. Mostly Ju Jitsu but with an element of Muay thai - perfect balance i think. Ideal for MMA, although I would never have the balls to step into the octagon!!!! Good call on UFC tonight - nearly forgot about it. congratulations, it's a nice feeling to finally get to that point after years of training:d. Now the real learning starts. Give it a few years and you'll lose the need for gradings and start to understand what it's all about.. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
suprattgaz Posted July 21, 2007 Share Posted July 21, 2007 congratulations, it's a nice feeling to finally get to that point after years of training:d. Now the real learning starts. Give it a few years and you'll lose the need for gradings and start to understand what it's all about.. Cheers!!! Yeah now the fun really starts!!! Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Fargo Posted July 21, 2007 Share Posted July 21, 2007 [quote=tbourner;1492729 Oh and Ninjutsu you get to do a LOT of holds and locks and floor grapelling, it's easily the best martial art for real world self defence. We do some basic locks (goosenecks and the like) in TKD, but like I said I'm seeing it as exercise more than a fighting style. disagree, for real world self defence, Krav Maga is the way forward. done 4 years of Lau Gar kung fu (also competing), then 4 years of wing chun (kamon wing chun) then the last 2 doing krav maga http://www.institute-kravmaga.co.uk/home.asp and also karate under steve rowes (7th dan) student (4th dan). krav had its metal tested in real world applications were it was developed on the streets of Palastine and taught to the IDF. what other martial art is tested and developed in such an enviroment, Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
razza Posted July 22, 2007 Share Posted July 22, 2007 krav had its metal tested in real world applications were it was developed on the streets of Palastine and taught to the IDF. what other martial art is tested and developed in such an enviroment, Systema, as used by Russia Special Forces Spetznaz in many conficts throughout their history and more recently in Afghanistan:D Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
stupra Posted July 22, 2007 Share Posted July 22, 2007 I've studied Kempo since I was four, then throughout the year's i've studied, Jujitsu, Teakwondo, Aikido, Kickboxing, Mui Tia. I don't compete anymore, though I do miss it. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Fargo Posted July 22, 2007 Share Posted July 22, 2007 Systema, as used by Russia Special Forces Spetznaz in many conficts throughout their history and more recently in Afghanistan:D indeed tis true. would it be fair to say that whilst the traditional arts all have valued principles, its the 'newer' arts that have the best real world techniques. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
razza Posted July 22, 2007 Share Posted July 22, 2007 exactly, they're martial arts for today as oppose to when we were riding horses and covered in armour. Krav Maga has always appealled to me actually, however I've never had the chance to study it yet, someday maybe... Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Fargo Posted July 22, 2007 Share Posted July 22, 2007 why dont you come along to my class, slough. just looking at the link on your sig, was wondernig how systema and krav differ, both are rooted in military applications, both use various techniques from various other arts (looking at the youtube vid) lot of wing chun style sticking hands, gun defence same as krav etc) Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
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