tbourner Posted July 6, 2007 Author Share Posted July 6, 2007 If you find it difficult to get the anger that you for some reason want, think about in a way that you're testing the other guy to see how he will react, and that in fact you're helping his training.... No I don't want to get angry, but when taught a technique I never go for it as I should do, because I'm not at the same level as the black belts teaching so I'm worried my lack of control will mean I end up hitting them. I know they're black belts so can react to whatever I can do etc. but my brain can't let me attempt to hit someone who I know and am not in a proper fight with!!!! Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Thorin Posted July 6, 2007 Share Posted July 6, 2007 So anyone going to explain why the Maldavian's are so good at fighting? Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Adam Posted July 6, 2007 Share Posted July 6, 2007 I trained and you use to teach a martial art called kizendo. It was a free style kick boxing win chun cross with boxing. It was great fighting at the nationals against others who fight for engalnd wales ireland and scotland. Havent done it for a year or so but really miss it. The wife wont let me fight competions anymore as she didn`t like it. So just getting fat and lazy again Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
razza Posted July 6, 2007 Share Posted July 6, 2007 No I don't want to get angry, but when taught a technique I never go for it as I should do, because I'm not at the same level as the black belts teaching so I'm worried my lack of control will mean I end up hitting them. I know they're black belts so can react to whatever I can do etc. but my brain can't let me attempt to hit someone who I know and am not in a proper fight with!!!! as they're black belts they should expect to be hit, too many don't now-a-days and have gained a belt just by training for 5 yrs. So when someone without the control hits them they get bruised egos then go on a power trip on your arse, seen it in too many clubs. Personally if someone at a lower level of training hits me then it means I have to learn from it so it doesn't happen again, you've got to learn to adapt to whatever comes your way. Next time you're with one of them, just say to them, "look I want to go a bit harder/faster to test how well I can do, is that ok? And by the way my control's not great." If they're any good they'll say "fine let's go, if I say stop though you stop no questions asked." That's purely because if someone's coming at you hard it is difficult to not step it up, and react instintively if under too much pressure and could do you some serious damage. Don't be afraid to ask them for advice, they've probably been in the same situation as you before so won't be shocked by it. They're there to help you not parade their status Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
grahamc Posted July 6, 2007 Share Posted July 6, 2007 No I don't want to get angry, but when taught a technique I never go for it as I should do, because I'm not at the same level as the black belts teaching so I'm worried my lack of control will mean I end up hitting them. I know they're black belts so can react to whatever I can do etc. but my brain can't let me attempt to hit someone who I know and am not in a proper fight with!!!! If you can hit them, hit them, they should have blocked it Thats what my previous instructor said... Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
lambertpig Posted July 6, 2007 Share Posted July 6, 2007 i am currently training a street defence ju jitsu. my instructor has trained special forces in the states.its very very basic stuff but very effective. i have said to my instructor "but that move would really destroy somebody" but as he says its not sport fighting it is based on life saving stuff. eye popping strikes to the throat breaking joints etc.would like to try some mma but need to improve my stand up work a lot. am confident in my ground work due to my judo background and the fact that nobody has more strength at my weight which helps a lot.having said that i think my powerlifting is what makes me slow on standup.i am moving to higher rep work to try and improve my speed nd mobility more then i am up for it dont care if i get battered :(it will be fun:) Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
tbourner Posted July 7, 2007 Author Share Posted July 7, 2007 Also, what's the best way to do some training at home without spending any money!!! I'd like to maintain some stretching exercises, but I need to tone my stomach and pecs a bit too - I might buy some dumbells but I don't want to spend any more than that really. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Ian R Posted July 7, 2007 Share Posted July 7, 2007 This is the sort of Martial arts you need Warning NWS http://www.kontraband.com/show/show.asp?ID=339 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Sparky Posted July 7, 2007 Share Posted July 7, 2007 I did Shotokan Karate which was a fair mix. Where I was you could train doing Katas etc and not have much physical combat with no pressure to do tournaments etc. It kept me strong and fit - should really do it again. I did Goju-ryu Karate which is the main form of Shotokan Karate. Got to 1st dan after 9 years of hard training but my busy lifestyle forced me to give it up! I also did Jeet Kun do (Bruce Lees Martial art), but once again i just didnt have the time! I would recomend both of these to anyone as they offer a good mix of fitness, technique and strength excersises! Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Guest Geneb Posted July 7, 2007 Share Posted July 7, 2007 flying fist of juda Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
R3DG3CKO ROB Posted July 7, 2007 Share Posted July 7, 2007 I did Tang Soo Do when I was younger and tried Aikido about 4 or 5 years ago.. The Aikido was far more disciplined and structured utilising the power of an attack to counter... got very strong and toned quickly without realizing it as there is a lot of constant stretching and balance work. More defense based though - no kicking or punching. I really should start up again... Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
MARTIN R Posted July 7, 2007 Share Posted July 7, 2007 This is the sort of Martial arts you need Warning NWS http://www.kontraband.com/show/show.asp?ID=339 made me laugh:D Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
IDO Posted July 8, 2007 Share Posted July 8, 2007 I've been training in Muaythai (thaiboxing) for nearly 11years, and love it to bits! even spent some time in thailand training.. I did wander into mma a bit, but it wasnt for me as i didn't like all the holds and ground work! Had a few fights round the S.East and been helping run promotions round this way for a wile. May have to stop fighting now as I have just come back out of hospital for a month due to ruptured Ab's and intestines (sp?) (for those of you who know me and have noticed i have been quiet for the last 6 weeks thats why?!?) but that will not stop me training! Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
IDO Posted July 8, 2007 Share Posted July 8, 2007 Also, what's the best way to do some training at home without spending any money!!! I'd like to maintain some stretching exercises, but I need to tone my stomach and pecs a bit too - I might buy some dumbells but I don't want to spend any more than that really. Mate, buy the next issue of Mens fitness (august issue) my doc has recomended it to me as it has a supliment on abs/stomach. It has exercises to do at home or with dumbells, due to a nice 6inch scar down my chest i have to start my "physio" next month and been told this is a very good guide! hope this helps... Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
kieren1234 Posted July 8, 2007 Share Posted July 8, 2007 I done Karate when i was alot younger and got to brown belt so very close to black belt but had to give it up as moved to the Uk from Germany and there wasnt anywhere local that tought karate Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Dash Rendar Posted July 8, 2007 Share Posted July 8, 2007 Tbourner, I know what you mean about having difficulties delivering your strikes for fear of hurting your opponent. I taught karate (Shotokan and freestyle) for several years, and before that, it literally took me years before I had the confidence to strike to the face in the dojo. It was quite a limiting factor during kumite (combat), because I would only strike to the body, and any opponent who was any good would soon realise this and then blocking became doubly-easy for them. Getting over this problem is all about building confidence with your technique and accuracy. Once you *know* that you can deliver a strike with pinpoint accuracy, the fear of hurting someone goes away. But this takes experience and practice, and it's quite natural (and right) for a junior belt to be worried. In tournaments, I've suffered more injuries (e.g. broken noses) from fighting inexperienced junior belts who did not know how to control their strikes, than from senior grades. I always felt much more confident fighting a senior belt. But you never want to 'unleash the fury'! A decent martial artist can demonstrate strong mental discipline and exercise restraint where necessary. It's about focus, not anger. But you knew that already! Aside from Shotokan karate, I've also done goju ryu (which, btw, is not the 'main' form of Shotokan as someone else said... it's a different style altogether), wado ryu (which is much closer to Shotokan as it takes much from the teachings of Gichin Funokoshi, but tends to use shorter stances places a bit more emphasis on the sport form), freestyle karate, ju jitsu, TKD, and shorinji kempo. For general all-round fitness, mental discipline, and developing strong technique and a mastery of the basics, you can't go wrong with Shotokan. If you want to do karate, but would prefer tougher / closer combat, then do goju ryu, or even kyokoshinkai (which is serious full-contact stuff). If you want to master realistic combat scenarios (which basically almost always end up on the ground), then jujitsu is for you. (Judo has basically evolved as a more civilised sport form of jujitsu.) Aikido is another similar option, but I always preferred jujitsu. If you want flashy kicks, TKD or some freestyle karate forms are the best. In my experience, TKD students very often have very poor technique, compared to an equally experienced karate student. I must stress (before I get shot down) that this isn't a reflection on the martial art, but a reflection on the quality of the instructors in this country. There seem to be a lot of 'cowboy' TKD instructors out there, which is really diluting the quality of the martial art. But this can apply to all martial arts, so my advice is to choose your club carefully! Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
grahamc Posted July 8, 2007 Share Posted July 8, 2007 Tbourner, I know what you mean about having difficulties delivering your strikes for fear of hurting your opponent. I taught karate (Shotokan and freestyle) for several years, and before that, it literally took me years before I had the confidence to strike to the face in the dojo. It was quite a limiting factor during kumite (combat), because I would only strike to the body, and any opponent who was any good would soon realise this and then blocking became doubly-easy for them. Getting over this problem is all about building confidence with your technique and accuracy. Once you *know* that you can deliver a strike with pinpoint accuracy, the fear of hurting someone goes away. But this takes experience and practice, and it's quite natural (and right) for a junior belt to be worried. In tournaments, I've suffered more injuries (e.g. broken noses) from fighting inexperienced junior belts who did not know how to control their strikes, than from senior grades. I always felt much more confident fighting a senior belt. But you never want to 'unleash the fury'! A decent martial artist can demonstrate strong mental discipline and exercise restraint where necessary. It's about focus, not anger. But you knew that already! Aside from Shotokan karate, I've also done goju ryu (which, btw, is not the 'main' form of Shotokan as someone else said... it's a different style altogether), wado ryu (which is much closer to Shotokan as it takes much from the teachings of Gichin Funokoshi, but tends to use shorter stances places a bit more emphasis on the sport form), freestyle karate, ju jitsu, TKD, and shorinji kempo. For general all-round fitness, mental discipline, and developing strong technique and a mastery of the basics, you can't go wrong with Shotokan. If you want to do karate, but would prefer tougher / closer combat, then do goju ryu, or even kyokoshinkai (which is serious full-contact stuff). If you want to master realistic combat scenarios (which basically almost always end up on the ground), then jujitsu is for you. (Judo has basically evolved as a more civilised sport form of jujitsu.) Aikido is another similar option, but I always preferred jujitsu. If you want flashy kicks, TKD or some freestyle karate forms are the best. In my experience, TKD students very often have very poor technique, compared to an equally experienced karate student. I must stress (before I get shot down) that this isn't a reflection on the martial art, but a reflection on the quality of the instructors in this country. There seem to be a lot of 'cowboy' TKD instructors out there, which is really diluting the quality of the martial art. But this can apply to all martial arts, so my advice is to choose your club carefully! I do agree with what you say about TKD students... From the cople that I have seen, they were very sloppy with their hands (IE. being down by their sides)... However, kicks were very fast and flash! Here is a place that has some decent stretching and and so forth: http://www.flashmavi.com/stretching.shtml Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
far Posted July 8, 2007 Share Posted July 8, 2007 Karate & Martial arts - good for fancy kicks and general fitness Judo/Wrestling/Brazilian Jui-Jitsu - good for 'real life' situations as most fights end up on the ground MMA - A bit of both of the above. More agressive and the following is getting much bigger nowadays. Checkout Sherdog.com Oh btw dont miss 'UFC 73' 9PM Bravo tonight! Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
suprattgaz Posted July 8, 2007 Share Posted July 8, 2007 Got my black belt in Ju Jitsu last Sunday - took all day but well worth it. My Sensei has done a bit of everything, and our syllabus reflects it. Mostly Ju Jitsu but with an element of Muay thai - perfect balance i think. Ideal for MMA, although I would never have the balls to step into the octagon!!!! Good call on UFC tonight - nearly forgot about it. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
tbourner Posted July 8, 2007 Author Share Posted July 8, 2007 People always put down TKD, and I've noticed in a small time that it's a pretty weak martial art (when compared to Muay Thai and others), but I see it as a sport rather than a fighting style - a tennis player wouldn't have a chance against a black belt in Kung Fu either but nobody mentions that!!! I'm using it because I want to get fit again and get more flexible, especially in my legs. Also, my class is very good, because my brother goes, and like I said he trained in Seoul for 3 years (3 hours every day) with proper Korean dudes including the 9th dan grand masters, so he'd probably know if it was a proper club or not!!! I don't want to do Karate, IMO there are far more shoddy Karate clubs out there than any other art!! I'd like to do Kung Fu again, Kendo/Iaido for the mental training, maybe Capoeira when I'm more flexible, and then maybe some Muay Thai later on. I'll stick with TKD for now though. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Sparky Posted July 9, 2007 Share Posted July 9, 2007 People always put down TKD, and I've noticed in a small time that it's a pretty weak martial art (when compared to Muay Thai and others), but I see it as a sport rather than a fighting style - a tennis player wouldn't have a chance against a black belt in Kung Fu either but nobody mentions that!!! I'm using it because I want to get fit again and get more flexible, especially in my legs. Also, my class is very good, because my brother goes, and like I said he trained in Seoul for 3 years (3 hours every day) with proper Korean dudes including the 9th dan grand masters, so he'd probably know if it was a proper club or not!!! I don't want to do Karate, IMO there are far more shoddy Karate clubs out there than any other art!! I'd like to do Kung Fu again, Kendo/Iaido for the mental training, maybe Capoeira when I'm more flexible, and then maybe some Muay Thai later on. I'll stick with TKD for now though. There are loads of dodgy karate clubs in my area. Its hard to explain to alot of people that Goju Ryu is actually a decent martial art and not just the crane position like many people think.. grr i hate them soo much! Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
tbourner Posted July 9, 2007 Author Share Posted July 9, 2007 I have trouble trying to convince my mate that Iaido is a good idea, when he asks what it is and I say "It teaches you taking your sword out and putting it back again.", it sounds pretty lame!! Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Sparky Posted July 9, 2007 Share Posted July 9, 2007 Same here. Everyone has their own idea of whats good and bad but a the end of the day if you like a certain martial arts I think thats all that matters! Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
VELOCITY Posted July 9, 2007 Share Posted July 9, 2007 I've done Wing Chun, Jeet kwon doe and aikijitsu, Aikijitsu was really good, real life fighting techniques and violant to! Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
grahamc Posted July 9, 2007 Share Posted July 9, 2007 I've done Wing Chun, Jeet kwon doe and aikijitsu, Aikijitsu was really good, real life fighting techniques and violant to! can you please tell me more about "Aikijitsu"? any sites?? is it aikido? Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
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