Guest Terry S Posted October 20, 2004 Share Posted October 20, 2004 Originally posted by THOR Racing Strikes me most of the problems are down to the experience of the operator. CHOOSE THE TUNER WHO YOU ARE CONFIDENT HAS THE EXPERIENCE TO OPERATE THE TOOL. Couldn't agree more. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
dude Posted October 20, 2004 Share Posted October 20, 2004 So Pete i have since learnt that you would use a line presure guage when setting up an Auto supra , other cars donr interest me at all im interested in an Auto J spec supra, im also not going to enter in to the argument re HP either Hub or Wheel , are you saying that you can guaruntee a car pretty much fully mapped in 2 days , does that inc an Auto Pete ????? and how confidant are you of the box longevity , my box has lasted the whole season of abuse on dynos drag strips airfields if say you were to fit an AEM and 2 days later the box went tits up where would we stand , user error ???? of course i would be thrashing the car down a strip thats what its built for and so is the box , how many AEM'd sups have run at the strip this year , im interested because i need to fit a managment system and pretty soon , if you can assure me you are confident of getting it working correctly and ironing out any bugs i would be more than happy to get you to fit an AEM , would you be willing to quote a max price to get it mapped ???? . If you would rather not discuss prices then feel free to PM me . Dude :flame Dev Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
THOR Racing Posted October 20, 2004 Share Posted October 20, 2004 I will be mapping two and possibly three Auto J Specs before now and Christmas. As yet I can say I have not mapped ANY auto. Loads of manuals. I'm being honest! No point pretending. My 450BHP baby is first Then progressively more and more powerful cars. You know who you are. I will be checking line pressures and will welcome any technical input as to the correct pressures to run in different gears etc etc. Mines a Daily Driver so I cannot F*** that up or I'm stuffed! I am confident that the AEM will work and will endevour to check and double check everything. So lets start a thread on Auto Gearbox Techincal Specifications. and agree on how the box should or is controlled now. Pete Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
CJ Posted October 20, 2004 Author Share Posted October 20, 2004 In answer to the last post from dude: I would be amazed if any tuner / mapper would take you up on that offer! By your own admission, you have thrashed the car along airfields, dynos and drag strips. To then expect any tuner to accept responsibility should things go wrong is, IMHO, not realistic. I wonder if the same question was put to Matt H would he agree to fit an E-manage or if it was put to CPL would he fit a Motec? Somehow I dont think so. How would you be able to tell if the part in question died due to the previous (or future) abuse or through the fitting of an EMS? Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
dude Posted October 21, 2004 Share Posted October 21, 2004 CJ your missing the point , i did not say i wanted an indefinate guaruntee on the gearbox i actually mentioned a few days , and it is easily possible to tell if excess line pressure was to blame allthough if it had been set up on Petes Dyno with a pressure guage i could not in fact expect more , remeber also that the stock ECU pulls timing between shifts so as not to break the gearbox !!! Dude:flame Dev Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Guest Terry S Posted October 21, 2004 Share Posted October 21, 2004 Originally posted by THOR Racing As yet I can say I have not mapped ANY auto. Loads of manuals. I'm being honest! No point pretending. My 450BHP baby is first Mines a Daily Driver so I cannot F*** that up or I'm stuffed! Pete Very surprised your car wasn't the first to have an AEM Pete. Your second comment is exactly what I am getting at, driving like stock. Would you agree that it will take a far bit of time to get your car exactly as you want it? Do you think it will need tinkering after the intial install? Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
TLicense Posted October 21, 2004 Share Posted October 21, 2004 Originally posted by dude remeber also that the stock ECU pulls timing between shifts so as not to break the gearbox !!! Dude:flame Dev I believe that's also possible to do with the AEM. Turn to the dark side John, turn to the dark side.... Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
THOR Racing Posted October 21, 2004 Share Posted October 21, 2004 Very surprised your car wasn't the first to have an AEM Pete. Then you'll also be suprised how long I've been waiting to do it but just so busy keeping the company afloat working no stop. I don't see that as being a downside though. It will be the first Auto on AEM that I'll do and I'm sure it'll be fine. Nothing so far has stumped me for long. Got next week off to do it. I notice no one has actually offered any techincal specifications of the auto gearbox and lines pressures and ignition retard applied by the stock ECU. Your second comment is exactly what I am getting at, driving like stock. Would you agree that it will take a far bit of time to get your car exactly as you want it? Do you think it will need tinkering after the intial install? The ENGINE will run as close to stock functionality as possible. As for the gearbox, yes it'll need tinkering. But surely this is true of ANY modification you make to your car. For instance you may not like the stock auto control and prefer to run slightly higher pressures to get quicker shifts but want more retardation of ignition. Is that because I didn't tune it properly or just your personal preference and hence is this tinkering or just another level of tune? It's important for me to take readings from my stock box and emulate these on the AEM. I cannot make it better than that! I'm not going to say anymore as I think my time is better spent gathering the detail about gearbox control and not talking about ifs and buts. Regards Pete Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
dude Posted October 21, 2004 Share Posted October 21, 2004 Pete surely the easiest thing to do re the line pressure would be to measure the pressure on a stock box and replicate that !!! Dude:flame Dev Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
dude Posted October 21, 2004 Share Posted October 21, 2004 Pete line pressure is D range Idle 471-530 kPa Stall 1334-1470 kPa R range 686-785 1697-2030 Hope this helps Dude:flame Dev Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Guest Terry S Posted October 21, 2004 Share Posted October 21, 2004 Originally posted by THOR Racing The ENGINE will run as close to stock functionality as possible. Regards Pete And there you have just confirmed what I have been saying. Thanks. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Dragonball Posted October 21, 2004 Share Posted October 21, 2004 Originally posted by Terry S And there you have just confirmed what I have been saying. Thanks. All good stuff - but what is the good / bad of it running like stock? Did I miss something importent? Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
CJ Posted October 21, 2004 Author Share Posted October 21, 2004 Originally posted by dude Pete line pressure is D range Idle 471-530 kPa Stall 1334-1470 kPa R range 686-785 1697-2030 Hope this helps Dude:flame Dev Would the values be different if a BL auto box was fitted? Also, does it make any difference if the TC has been changed? Sorry if that is a numpty question, but if you dont ask you dont learn eh? Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Guest Terry S Posted October 21, 2004 Share Posted October 21, 2004 Originally posted by Paul E All good stuff - but what is the good / bad of it running like stock? Did I miss something importent? Yes Paul you did, drivability. It's no good making 1500bhp if the car drives like a dog around town. The stock cars I hope you'll agree drive pretty well, no hiccups, glitches, etc. That is what I am getting at. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Dragonball Posted October 21, 2004 Share Posted October 21, 2004 Ah right...sorry I just thought that there was something the comparison that I missed So any doubts seem to feature entirely around autos - rather than manuals - so is is safe to put that one 'to bed' so to speak? Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Guest Terry S Posted October 21, 2004 Share Posted October 21, 2004 LOL the voice of reason Yep can be put to bed as long as well all agree/understand that going stand alone is not simple. Getting it to drive as nicely as a Stock car is pretty difficult, time consuming and could be costly. Whilst Piggy Backs have less flexibility than Stand Alone, and will ultimately cost some power, they are far easier to maintain the cars drivability with. I am far from Anti Stand Alone. Big Power cars should run a Stand Alone IMHO, and also any car running injectors significantly larger than stock. Piggy Backs, again IMHO offer a very viable alternative to moderate Power levels. The latest generation of Piggy Backs are far superior to previous ones. Horses for courses. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Guest Terry S Posted October 21, 2004 Share Posted October 21, 2004 Just to back this up with the fact that I know people who have had great success with the AEM, so this is by no way me knocking the AEM as a Stand Alone unit, or anyones tuning efforts, before someone reads something into it Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
TLicense Posted October 21, 2004 Share Posted October 21, 2004 Originally posted by CJ Would the values be different if a BL auto box was fitted? Also, does it make any difference if the TC has been changed? Sorry if that is a numpty question, but if you dont ask you dont learn eh? They should be exactly the same I would have thought otherwise how would the stock auto control ECU know what to do? I was going to make a comment to Dude about going manual being the best route as it's esier to set-up.... - ducks in case of large rock being thrown, and then dons fire-proof suite in anticipation of being flamed - Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
dude Posted October 21, 2004 Share Posted October 21, 2004 Originally posted by TLicense They should be exactly the same I would have thought otherwise how would the stock auto control ECU know what to do? I was going to make a comment to Dude about going manual being the best route as it's esier to set-up.... - ducks in case of large rock being thrown, and then dons fire-proof suite in anticipation of being flamed - I would go Manual but i cant bear the thaught all that changing gear and being beaten at the Pod by auto cars !!! Dude:flame Dev Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
CJ Posted October 21, 2004 Author Share Posted October 21, 2004 This AEM forum may be of interest? http://forum.aempower.com/bbs/index.php Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Miguel Posted October 21, 2004 Share Posted October 21, 2004 Originally posted by CJ This AEM forum may be of interest? http://forum.aempower.com/bbs/index.php Yup and if you do a search you will see the issue about autoboxes although this has now been rectified Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Guest Usmann A Posted October 22, 2004 Share Posted October 22, 2004 "imitation is the sincerest form of flattering" ........ Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Guest Terry S Posted October 22, 2004 Share Posted October 22, 2004 Originally posted by Usmann A "imitation is the sincerest form of flattering" ........ LOL then I am flattered by your choice of turbo ;) Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Guest Usmann A Posted October 22, 2004 Share Posted October 22, 2004 LOL, good one. But, who says im using that ol hat again .... Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Guest Terry S Posted October 22, 2004 Share Posted October 22, 2004 Originally posted by Usmann A LOL, good one. But, who says im using that ol hat again .... You will.................but we have moved on:p Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
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