TLicense Posted October 19, 2004 Share Posted October 19, 2004 Originally posted by CJ Just picking up on the Justin side of things. Would it be possible for him to have had a vehicle spec sent to him prior to coming over that would have allowed him to create a map to then be uploaded into the AEM? Would that have then meant he was able to ge the car running well so quickly? Or am I talking through my arse? Basically mate, if I had a basmap that was close to your car, in terms of setting the injector size, getting a cold start and idle would basically be a piece of piss, as 95% of the work is already done, compared to turning up on the day and starting from scratch. (Well OK maybe not piece of piss, but reasonably easy) That's why basemap's are developed by these companies. It's making sure that the basemap you have is relevant to the car your tuning that's the difficult thing. Toyota do spend a lot more time doing cold starts and such, but then they only do the job once. They done map every ecu in every car to get it working just so. That's all AEM/Motech and I presume Autronic do. Get it close enough to get you started and then let you get on with the rest of it. For what it's worth, my car starts within a couple of cranks no matter what the weather/temp even when there's been a couple of inches of snow on the bonnet, and all my cold start stuff is just an exact copy of the map I bought from Wez. Regards Tony Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Guest Usmann A Posted October 19, 2004 Share Posted October 19, 2004 CJ, yes I gave J, a spec of the car. so he could have a once over. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
dude Posted October 19, 2004 Share Posted October 19, 2004 Very interesting Usmann , are you still in contact with him ??? if so could you ask him his opinions on the Autronic etc and report back ???? Dude:flame Dev Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
CJ Posted October 19, 2004 Author Share Posted October 19, 2004 Good thread this - very informative Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Guest Usmann A Posted October 19, 2004 Share Posted October 19, 2004 I am, and I have already, he says they are good units aswell, nowt wrong with them, and he can map them of course. He was mentioning one drawback about them, which I cannot for the life of me remember, but will let you guys know. wasent that big of a prob tho. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
dude Posted October 19, 2004 Share Posted October 19, 2004 Originally posted by Usmann A CJ, yes I gave J, a spec of the car. so he could have a once over. has he mapped a few J spec cars now then U ?????? Dude:flame Dev Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Guest Usmann A Posted October 19, 2004 Share Posted October 19, 2004 we were his first J spec. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
dude Posted October 19, 2004 Share Posted October 19, 2004 Originally posted by Usmann A we were his first J spec. was he phased or not , any diff to a US spec or just the same Dude:flame Dev Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Guest Usmann A Posted October 19, 2004 Share Posted October 19, 2004 tbh, we had a few pin differences but nothing he couldnt sort out. Went like plug and play ,,, Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
TLicense Posted October 19, 2004 Share Posted October 19, 2004 Originally posted by CJ Mmm...I wonder just how close the base map would be? The reason I ask is that I have been chatting to Pete Betts about the AEM and he reckons that it will take about 2 days to map it all properly. I will totally admit I'm suprised at that. Perhaps I over-estimated how easy it would be to set up the car on larger injectors. Can't see why it would be any more difficult than any other system... Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Miguel Posted October 19, 2004 Share Posted October 19, 2004 Lets just say for argument sake . IF i decided to change the spec of my car with an AEM would this involve getting Justin over or could Pete handle it if so why did Pete not do it for you in the first place.....Not a dig at all I am totaly interested in this thread and its very informative Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
CJ Posted October 19, 2004 Author Share Posted October 19, 2004 Originally posted by TLicense I will totally admit I'm suprised at that. Perhaps I over-estimated how easy it would be to set up the car on larger injectors. Can't see why it would be any more difficult than any other system... Surprised due to the length of time Tony? Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
TLicense Posted October 19, 2004 Share Posted October 19, 2004 Yes. Basically, once you know what size injectors you had, and what boost pressure you wanted to run (you would probably need to fit a greater ranged MAP sensor) it would be possible for anyone to download the basemap to suit. There would be a few modifications to make to the map to make it suit your particular car I'm sure, but nothing too severe. Then it's just a case of sorting the WOT stuff, which, with boost compensation mapping is VERY quick and easy as you only need to basically map for a single load (boost pressure) However I've obviously missing something because I've no doubt that Pete does know what he's doing. Perhaps he gives himself that amount of time incase the cold start isn't spot on from the basemap don't know. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
CJ Posted October 19, 2004 Author Share Posted October 19, 2004 Or maybe his english accent and my Welsh ears didnt connect correctly Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Guest TURBO Posted October 19, 2004 Share Posted October 19, 2004 The AEM is my choice hands down if you're looking to put down big HP numbers without hacking your wiring harness apart . Driveabilty of an AEM vs any Stand alone is no contest. The AEM has way better options and less limitations vs piggy backs. I think the AEM will be a more obvious choice, when more people graduate pass piggy backs. Justin from Tuning Concepts is the BEST AEM tuner around period! PS: The only cars I've ever seen E-Manage insatlled on are 250HP Hondas. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
CJ Posted October 19, 2004 Author Share Posted October 19, 2004 Mr Turbo What is your take on the "AEM blows up autoboxes" line? Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Guest TURBO Posted October 19, 2004 Share Posted October 19, 2004 It could be a tuning issue or you're making too much HP. Could be a lot of things. That is why you hire a reputable tuner that knows what he's doing. Shift points can be off, line pressure setting ect ect. So many things to consider when tuning a high HP car. You can give a scientist a race car that has proven itself on the track, he takes a turn wrong and crashes it. Do you blame the car or the Scientist? Second scenario. You give a Scientist a new race car never been to the track and never proven itself. He takes it on the track and takes a turn to tightly, axle snaps crashes the car. Who do you blame. My point is anyone can drive, but can they really drive a race car(AEM EMS) The AEM has been to the track, Dyno and street and has proven itself. PS: Number one problem when making High HP is the autobox. People disregard installing an oil cooler or building it when making high HP. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
dude Posted October 20, 2004 Share Posted October 20, 2004 Originally posted by TURBO T PS: The only cars I've ever seen E-Manage insatlled on are 250HP Hondas. Im surprised that your not familiar with Mohd Mr TURBO he seems to get the Greddy working quite well. Dude:flame Dev Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
dude Posted October 20, 2004 Share Posted October 20, 2004 Originally posted by TURBO It could be a tuning issue or you're making too much HP. Could be a lot of things. That is why you hire a reputable tuner that knows what he's doing. Shift points can be off, line pressure setting ect ect. So many things to consider when tuning a high HP car. You can give a scientist a race car that has proven itself on the track, he takes a turn wrong and crashes it. Do you blame the car or the Scientist? Second scenario. You give a Scientist a new race car never been to the track and never proven itself. He takes it on the track and takes a turn to tightly, axle snaps crashes the car. Who do you blame. My point is anyone can drive, but can they really drive a race car(AEM EMS) The AEM has been to the track, Dyno and street and has proven itself. PS: Number one problem when making High HP is the autobox. People disregard installing an oil cooler or building it when making high HP. Most of the failiures are not due to too much HP alone as you well know from the many in the states as all sorts of uprated boxes have failed , sure it probably is a tuning issue hence the point that we need a tuner here that has been tuning AEM's for enough time to GUARUNTEE he can set upi the shift function , how can this be done without a line pressure guage attached to the box i dont know !!!!perhaps you can enlighten us on that one as Leon has one on his box and with the AEM the pressures were sky high !!! Dude :flame Dev Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Guest Terry S Posted October 20, 2004 Share Posted October 20, 2004 Hi again Turbo, still no word on who you are;) Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
THOR Racing Posted October 20, 2004 Share Posted October 20, 2004 Well.... I've just about waded through this thread. Boy you guys have been busy! Obviously too much time typing and not much time mapping (That was a joke!) if the AEM has only one official fitter/dealer in the UK you are then at their mercy re warranty (none from what i can make out ) I think the statement "AT THEIR MERCY" is unjustified and actually rude. You all know me and hopefully you know I am a man of honour. The point about being an authorised dealer in my eyes is that you supply goods AND warranty them against failure (not mis-use) Clearly if we supply goods (be it Emange, AEM, Autronic, Blitz, HKS, MAP, Link, GEMS etc etc etc) they will be warranted against damage to engines IF we have mapped them. They will also be warranted if it is shown that there has been no neglect in the fitting of the unit. As for price. Well, I have a business premesis to pay for, wages to pay, bills bills and more bills and on top of that INSURANCE!!!!!! so that in the unlikely event anything happens I'm covered. THAT is what being an authorised dealer is all about. Ask yourself this... how many people have you purchased stuff from that just turns a blind eye and says "no warranty mate" you're on your own! continued..... Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
THOR Racing Posted October 20, 2004 Share Posted October 20, 2004 continued... i do not know of ! single person in the UK using an AEM at anything other than moderate road use and even then its taken many hours of their own time and then even more hours on the dyno just to run very low boost Again. WRONG. I've mapped the Honda S2000 turbo charged "HyperSR" car from Banzai mag on the AEM. Runs like a dream. I've mapped a Mitsubishi 3000GTO which runs like a dream. I've mapped a STOCK MkIV TT on AEM, again runs fine. I've also mapped moderately tuned to highly tuned cars on AEM. After all I got a 779BHP car running on Optimax (which is still running!!!!!!) which you can drive smoothly to go shopping or just pull onto a drag strip and go racing. (WAIT AND SEE WHEN NEXT SEASON STARTS!) We don't just do AEM. I must map just about any ECU going! You name an ECU and we've probably mapped one or more cars. ALL we do all day is MAP cars. We at THOR NEVER profess to know anything about building angines internally. BUT we know a hell of a lot about mapping them SAFELY! After all I've worked in the electronics and automotive industry for years and I understand HOW such ECUs work. Also AEM is just a GEMS unit. Much like OMEX is GEMS. GEMS (General Engine Management Systems) make ECUs for loads of people in the world. You can actually use GEMS Software to communicate with the AEM. It's the same flipping icons etc. how much Leon Green has in his car in time and money why do you think his AEM is in a drawer in his office ???? No fault of AEM is it? You can only sell things you have experience in. Bottom line. continued.... Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
THOR Racing Posted October 20, 2004 Share Posted October 20, 2004 continued.... The thing that puts me off the AEM is that due to lack of knowledge it will take a LONG time to get a car sorted 100% with one in UNLESS you get someone like Justin to do it , even then in 2 days i doubt he would get one 100% finished Rubbish. 2 days is our general rule. 1 day for power mapping and 1 day for road niceties They all end up running and idling well. Any problems you do get (are there are some) can be sorted out easily at any meet or event. So Tony are you saying that your car drives 100%, all the time, like stock on the AEM?? If so congrats. Oh dear...... Sounds like this thread is just rubbishing things you know nothing about? It's a shame this forum has become such an area for in fighting. I am not anti Emanage or anti ANY electronics. This is my business. I personally will map anything I or you fit to the car and do my best with the tools available. The choice is yours. But NEVER say any product is rubbish until is properly setup. Pete Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Guest Terry S Posted October 20, 2004 Share Posted October 20, 2004 Originally posted by THOR Racing continued.... Oh dear...... Sounds like this thread is just rubbishing things you know nothing about? It's a shame this forum has become such an area for in fighting. Pete Back up Pete, it was a genuine question. I am not anti AEM, Motec or anything Standalone. I am Pro Autronic ( even though I have absolutely no personal gain from being so) purely because I know it works, Just as you are Pro AEM because you have units to shift. The question was there to demonstrate just how much work is required to make a stand alone drive like stock. And I assume the rubbishing AEM comment wasn't directed at me, as I can't see where I have? Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
THOR Racing Posted October 20, 2004 Share Posted October 20, 2004 Essentially what I am saying is..... "a tool is only as good as the operator" Strikes me most of the problems are down to the experience of the operator. So I would advise (and I'm not selling myself or anyone here) the sensible thing to do is..... CHOOSE THE TUNER WHO YOU ARE CONFIDENT HAS THE EXPERIENCE TO OPERATE THE TOOL. Whatever the tool may be. I will not big myself up over and above other dealers. I will just let my work and cars tell the tale. As for which tools.... look at the specification of the different tools and decide upon the merits of functionality. Pete ps. I can tune anything .... ha ha..... Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
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