AeroMatt Posted October 14, 2004 Share Posted October 14, 2004 Just wondered if anyone with an e-manage has tried this software. As I understand it, it shows (and logs) air/fuel ratio in real time, displays power outputs and some other techie stuff. The only problem is that its all in japanese so I haven't a clue how to use it, so I'm hoping someone else may have some experience of it. Software can be obtained here for anyone who's interested. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
SimonB Posted October 14, 2004 Share Posted October 14, 2004 Well I don't see how it can log AFR, the Emanage has no way of knowing this, unless you use one of the inputs like the TPS or pressure sensor that you're not using to hook up a wideband. And how would it know power? I've not heard of it before, can't find anything on the Yahoo Emanage group either. Probably worth asking on there. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
AeroMatt Posted October 14, 2004 Author Share Posted October 14, 2004 Oh yes, forgot to mention that! As I've got an NA, I can use the boost input for the E-01 to log WB02. Obviously this wouldn't be any use to anyone using the boost input. Apparently you can use the throttle position sensor if you don't use that input. I've looked on the yahoo groups, its where I found out that this tool exists. Unfortunately no-one on there knows much about it either. Actually, whle on the subject of the e-manage, if anyone needs the latest software (1.13) and firmware (1.39) versions, I have them on my PC. Just let me know. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
SimonB Posted October 14, 2004 Share Posted October 14, 2004 Oh right. There's a program on the Yahoo group that will convert the data logs from the Support tool to an Excel spreadsheet so you can draw nice AFR graphs and stuff, have you seen that? Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Stevie Boy Posted October 15, 2004 Share Posted October 15, 2004 I've got a e-manage on my '96 J Spec TT, i was planning to get the E-01 for it to. Any of you guy's got any input on this peice of kit. I'm assuming the Display Info will be in English on this bit of kit not Japanese, all tho trying to decifer Injector duration and ignition data from a table/matrix is pretty much the same i guess! Would it be a good idea to get this Exel conversion software displaying graphs from the data? Oh yeah and apparently the E-01 has the the latest E-manage support tool stuff is this correct? Will i still need to get a seperate data lead to hook up to my PC and/or will E-01 store it as i doubt my bro will be too happy bout me using his shiney new lap top for car stuff! I was planning on getting a WBO2 and controller/display, so if i've got the E-01 will i not be able to log this data together? Would i have been able to do this with Stand Alone management anyway? Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Stevie Boy Posted October 15, 2004 Share Posted October 15, 2004 bump Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Ian C Posted October 15, 2004 Share Posted October 15, 2004 I use the "support tool" (ProjectGSC I know it as) to map my E-Manage, and I do it by datalogging a few runs, converting the datalogs to Excel, examining the afr's I'm getting at whatever throttle and airflow values and adjusting the airflow/injector duty at those points. Then go out and datalog again. It's a case of constant refinement -Ian Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
AeroMatt Posted October 15, 2004 Author Share Posted October 15, 2004 Simon, just had a look at the excel converter. Very handy tool actually I've had a play with the e-supporters program and I've got to grips with most of it. I can't seem to work it online, but once the logs have been captured you can analyse the info much like in the support tool. On e-supporters you can input the gear ratios, final drive, weight (I think) and your power (although if you're just using it as a benchmark it doesn't matter whats in here too much) You then select a start and end point of the log, choose which gear you were in and it will provide max torque in kg/m at rpm. Still can't get the AFR bit to work though. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
matt Posted October 15, 2004 Share Posted October 15, 2004 How are you logging AFRs, Ian?? ...... and which wideband are you using? Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Ian C Posted October 15, 2004 Share Posted October 15, 2004 I'm using an AEM O2 sensor. I'm logging the AFRs via the second airflow input that's normally reserved for Skylines I didn't know of the other convertor tool, so I wrote my own software that manages my maps and logs with annotations, converts logs to Excel files, fills in the log's AFRs from a lookup table and hacks the Greddy software to allow me to datalog any input, not just the ones it allows me to - hence the second airflow input being available -Ian Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
matt Posted October 15, 2004 Share Posted October 15, 2004 Sounds good!!! Care to share? Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Stevie Boy Posted October 15, 2004 Share Posted October 15, 2004 So Ian, Matt, am i right in thinking i can still run a E-01 boost controller rigged up to the 'BOOST' input on the e-manage and use the additional second Air Flow input reserved for use a twin air flow set-up i.e. As on Skyline GTR's, to datalog the AFR's? I need some help on this one guy's as i didn't fit the E-manage, have no wiring harness diagrams, but wanna know which direction i should be going as far a boost controllers go. I plan on getting an AEM WBO2 sensor kit, so i take it that can be used to relay the data to the e-manage. With regards to constant refinement, any1 recommend a decent knock monitor to use? Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Stevie Boy Posted October 15, 2004 Share Posted October 15, 2004 It's all starting to make sense, so the reason Ians able to log the AFR's via the additional Air Flow Data input is cos you've hacked the GReddy software and made your own capable of logging the WBO2 data and using a look-up table you've put in display it as AFR. Wow that's some clever S**T, i'm starting to feel more and more stupid as this thread progresses, TAXI!!!!! Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
SimonB Posted October 16, 2004 Share Posted October 16, 2004 Originally posted by Stevie Boy I've got a e-manage on my '96 J Spec TT, i was planning to get the E-01 for it to. Any of you guy's got any input on this peice of kit. I'm assuming the Display Info will be in English on this bit of kit not Japanese, all tho trying to decifer Injector duration and ignition data from a table/matrix is pretty much the same i guess! Would it be a good idea to get this Exel conversion software displaying graphs from the data? Oh yeah and apparently the E-01 has the the latest E-manage support tool stuff is this correct? Will i still need to get a seperate data lead to hook up to my PC and/or will E-01 store it as i doubt my bro will be too happy bout me using his shiney new lap top for car stuff! I was planning on getting a WBO2 and controller/display, so if i've got the E-01 will i not be able to log this data together? Would i have been able to do this with Stand Alone management anyway? This is my setup (mainly because I haven't got a laptop!). The E01 connects to the Emanage by the same port you use to connect it to a PC, but you use a standard USB cable to do it. If you wanted to use the PC software you would have to get one of the special cables, unplug the E01 and plug your PC in, then swap back when you've finished. The E01 will let you adjust all the same stuff you can with the PC support tool, and it logs all the same stuff too to an SD memory card which comes with it. It can log 3 hours worth, but you can't then transfer this to a PC, you have to view it on the display of the E01. You can't use the same trick Ian has for the WB with the E01, but you don't need to. You can get an external signal harness that lets you hook up a couple of analogue and pulsed signals which it will then log and display alongside the others. So you hook your wideband up directly to the E01 (not the Emanage) and you can then display your AFR in realtime too. That means you can use the AEM wideband that doesn't come with a display, which is slightly cheaper. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Stevie Boy Posted October 17, 2004 Share Posted October 17, 2004 Oh right, sounds pretty straight forward so basically getting the E-01 as my boost controller to use in conjunction with my E-manage is a good idea then, rig the WBO2 to the E-01 rather than the E-manage using an optional sensor harness for the E-01 (i'm repeating you here arn't I!) Only thing i'm unclear on, probly cos i haven't got the E-01 yet, is will the E-01 just automatically display the 02 sensor as a voltage? or Lamda value? Actual AFR? do you play around with the paramters on the E-01 to get it to display as you want or is all this explained in the instructions?? Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Stevie Boy Posted October 17, 2004 Share Posted October 17, 2004 Oh and one more thing Si, do you recommend the AEM WB02 Sensor? Is the FJO kit unnessarily spent extra cash, and how about the GEMS WB02 Sensor Kit Paul Whifbitz supplies without a display, take it i don't need a display with the 02 Sensor kit as the E-02 can do that in real time:thumbs: Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
SimonB Posted October 17, 2004 Share Posted October 17, 2004 Originally posted by Stevie Boy Oh and one more thing Si, do you recommend the AEM WB02 Sensor? Is the FJO kit unnessarily spent extra cash, and how about the GEMS WB02 Sensor Kit Paul Whifbitz supplies without a display, take it i don't need a display with the 02 Sensor kit as the E-02 can do that in real time:thumbs: You can get the E01 to display the correct units, you put in the conversion factor. As for widebands I don't really know, I've ordered a AEM one (without display), but it hasn't arrived yet. Some of them have serial outputs so you can hook them up to a laptop directly, but you don't need that, just a 0-5v output. I think whether you go for the PC based approach or the E01 depends on whether you have a laptop and boost controller already and if you want to analyse the logged data on a big screen without having to sit in your car. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
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