DaveK Posted June 8, 2007 Share Posted June 8, 2007 sorry but non of these new plastic sportscars do nothing for me the only thing i would give the supra up for is the likes of a 68 charger or a GT500. Before i started the rebuild on the supra was running 470bhp and im sorry but there is no better feeling in the world than going against somebodys lovely new expensive sports car and them not being to able beat your 14 year old supra. In a straight line. Power isn't everything. My 964 is quicker than the Supra - although a TT would leave it for dead. I still prefer driving the 964 though. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
GeordieSteve Posted June 8, 2007 Share Posted June 8, 2007 I'm with you all on the porsche thing. Never was a fan of them until I went out in Jay's car. Everything just seemed so smooth and comfortable. Lovely lovely car Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Havard Posted June 8, 2007 Share Posted June 8, 2007 I'm with you all on the porsche thing. Never was a fan of them until I went out in Jay's car. Everything just seemed so smooth and comfortable. Lovely lovely car This is what is worrying me. I have never been in a 911 but I know that when I do, it will be time to get my hands on some serious cash!! I love my Supra but I am well aware that there are better cars out there from a driving point of view, but NONE look as good!! H. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Pig Posted June 8, 2007 Share Posted June 8, 2007 It depends what your looking for - i want my supra to be a bit of an animal (who needs traction ) Some thing like the porche..... ofcourse its a better car its so many years further on in the sports car world, but also completly different. I drive all sorts of nice cars, but none of them belong to me and i couldnt afford them anyway... therefore whats the point in letting it ruin my car. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Ian C Posted June 8, 2007 Share Posted June 8, 2007 The new Dodge Challenger, coming out in 2008, is the only thing that's made my heart and mind start to stray from the Supra. Mmmm, Challenger.... I'd probably have to wait 3 years for a 2nd hand one though. By which time the Supra will be worthless, so I'd just have to have both -Ian Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Nathman Posted June 8, 2007 Share Posted June 8, 2007 I love my Supra to bits, but recently had the pleasure of taking a tuned Evo 6 for a blast, amazing acceleration and the grip absolutely stunned me! Made the Supe feel dissapointingly slow afterwards. (Yes I have an NA:d ) Also took a 350z for a test drive, very nice car, very quick and no rattles or squeaks! If it had more than two seats, I would seriously consider one. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
AJI Posted June 8, 2007 Share Posted June 8, 2007 Another thing. Why the lack of time attack or racing Supras? They're dirt cheap and you could strip them out, stick in a cage, sort the engine and suspension and still come in cheaper than a GT3 or the like? Yet, people still don't go for them. I've always asked this also. The Supra is a very capable car in proper race trim. But the rules of racing here in Europe are less favourable for turbo'd cars compared to NA cars. And that is why they wouldn't be competative without a huge development budget thrown at them. Only the likes of what a factory team could do. But then factory teams only race models of cars that are currently on sale in order to promote them. The likes of a Porsche 911 has had major major major development over the years and it's chassis is so finely tuned to each suspension setup it is unreal. Therefore the power delivery is spot on and the balance of the car in the corners is way above the Supra. But as a Supra can output a lot more power it would depend on the type of track as to which would win if you put a race prepared Supra up against a race prepared 911. I've driven a 911 GT3 and was very impressed with it. You get the feeling of being able to brake much later and cary a lot more speed into corners than you can with a Supra. But as mentioned earlier if you were able to develop the Supra and fine tune it to a specific track I'd say there wouldn't be much difference between the two. Baring in mind the cost difference, the Supra is top notch car. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
R3DG3CKO ROB Posted June 8, 2007 Share Posted June 8, 2007 Dangerous game, taking a ride in another awesome car... One of the guys I met at the Marham trackday had spent thousands on his Integra Type R getting it ready for the trackday. Then the F40 parked next to him and started chatting to him... Next thing he knows he's climbing in the passenger seat and off onto the track... Apparently, he said he wished he hadn't as the rest of the day just seemed very slow indeed! Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Class One Posted June 8, 2007 Share Posted June 8, 2007 I think the main difference between the Supra and some of the more exotic cars out there that have been mentioned like the Porsches and suchlike is how you connect with the car. I had a Porsche 993 before the Supra, and the driving experience can't be compared. In the Porsche, you felt connected with the car. Part of it. You sit in it not on it. Every input you gave to the car, it reacted to it, whereas, I find the Supra slightly less involving and that level of connection isn't quite there. Don't get me wrong, the Supra is a fantastic car. Few of us take them on trackdays, or find out exactly how hard they can corner, how stable they are under braking. I think the weakness in the car in terms of feel is it's steering. It just lacks that level of communication that other more sports orientated cars have. Don't forget, we're comparing (for some of us now) our 14yr old cars against much newer and more modern stuff. Now that should make you realise, how ahead of it's time the Supra was. Forget well sorted singles, they're in a different league, but bang for buck a bpu'd Supra is a match for many modern sports cars on the road. But the bench mark is slowly being raised. Anyway the answer to the original question was my 993 was a better drive, but I didn't like owning it. The ownership experience of my Supra has been far far better. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
carl0s Posted June 8, 2007 Share Posted June 8, 2007 I hate to say it but when Clarkson said the Supra was "..... a super car but not a supercar" he was right. Clarkson et al were basing their opinion on a UK spec stock car. I think their opinion would be different if it was a BPU+ vvti motor. Stock Supra's don't have much of a thrill as far as power is concerned. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Chris Wilson Posted June 8, 2007 Share Posted June 8, 2007 My problem is that I have raced for many years, and still have a couple of nice modern race cars to play with. After that *ANY* road car feels slow, heavy and floaty. I just haven't got a kick from driving on the road for ten or more years. For sure I like nice road cars, but drive a Volvo, and just use a mildly modded Skyline GTS for the odd track day as I can take jane and friends out for a bit of fun in it. If I had a ton of spare cash i wouldn't put it into a road car at all, it'd be a race car that would not devalue, or into a different house. As a slight aside, being lucky enough to drive lots of Supras, Skylines, RX-7 FD's and the like, the ones with modest sized turbos and good mapping *ALWAYS* blow the pants of the mega turbo ones, as a road car. Whilst a big turbo is wheezing its way towards proper boost, a little turbo, or healthy J-Spec stock ones, are up and running and the cars like a rabbit out of the corners. It is VERY easy to build a big dyno HP engine that's a total dog in a road car One day someone will drop an ali big block V8 Chevy in a Supra and those that get to ride in it will desperately want one. Turbos are great, modern well set up turbos, superb, but for that instant pin backed in the seat feeling, you need a BIG but fairly light N/A with stump pulling torque (in a heavy road car). If I was forced to spend a lot of money on a fast road car, what would I reluctantly buy? Depends just how much money I was made to squander, but none classic stuff aside, maybe a McLaren F1 or on a slightly less heady budget, a Mosler MT900 would be quite fun, if very impractical. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Mad Cas Posted June 8, 2007 Share Posted June 8, 2007 You could have a gas turbine engined F1 car, some b@stard would come up with something that went faster and handled better... Its important to have a car that: A] you feel good/comfortable driving -A car is like wearing an outfit. Lets face it as nice as porches and ferraris are round a track I for one would feel like a poser stock broker or something just driving it around town. Its like wearing a tuxedo for a trip to tescos, whereas the supra is a good all round smart-casual : B] You can afford. no point busting your ass trying to afford a car that you'll then struggle to insure/fuel/service/repair. That takes the fun out of it. C] A car you can see yourself keeping. for at least the forseeable. If you start wondering what your going to get next after only having the car a while. I'm a bit left of centre with cars. Most people have one pride and joy and are 'Monogomous'. I'm more of a Bigamist when it comes to cars, If I really like something I'll keep it, and still get the next one. Horses for courses and all that, cant have any one car that fulfills every request. Thats why I have about 7 cars at the moment! Oops! Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Daston Posted June 8, 2007 Share Posted June 8, 2007 Went out in a 500bhp Ultima GTR and oh my god I have never been in something that handled the way it did the stopping power was stupidly hard and the acceleration was everything that the supra isnt just gut renching with just raw power on tap from the 7ltr V8. As you sit right infront of the engine that has a rather short straight through exausts its also sounds awesome couldnt really talk in it though and deffently not a just popping to the shops type car but I am going to have one in a few years when the insuance drops. Ok I understand compairing a car 2 seater MR £50k+ super car to the humble supra is a bit unfair I still just remind myself I have nearly 400 horses at the age of 23 much more than most people my age. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
SUPRASUZUKI Posted June 8, 2007 Share Posted June 8, 2007 I've borrowed an Esprit V8GT to go to Paris for a stag weekend. I'll be an intersting comparison. Specially in the wet.... Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
AndrewOW Posted June 8, 2007 Share Posted June 8, 2007 What you lot all need to get the most out of your Supras is the CG Lock. You will completely connect with the car, if you're held in place like using a harness. I'm getting the most out of my car now, because I'm not having to brace myself on every bend and tight corner. Excellent. I'm trying to sort out a group buy for these. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
captainchaos Posted June 8, 2007 Share Posted June 8, 2007 The new Dodge Challenger, coming out in 2008, is the only thing that's made my heart and mind start to stray from the Supra. Mmmm, Challenger.... I'd probably have to wait 3 years for a 2nd hand one though. By which time the Supra will be worthless, so I'd just have to have both -Ian Ahhhh you havnt seen the new camaro have you? http://automotive-links.mustangv8.com/RSS-directory/modules/coppermine/albums/userpics/10000/normal_2009camaro.jpg now that thing is mean Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Chris Wilson Posted June 8, 2007 Share Posted June 8, 2007 Another example of trans atlantic good taste Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Ian C Posted June 8, 2007 Share Posted June 8, 2007 Nope, Camaro is a wannabe See attached. E. Vil. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Ian C Posted June 8, 2007 Share Posted June 8, 2007 http://www.dodge.com/en/challenger/gallery/index.html Gaddammit I want one. 6.1l Hemi V8, 500bhp out the factory. Snarl. And it won't be silly money like Porsches with half the power. I don't really car much about extracting that last 0.01g of cornering, I just like a car to feel taut and connected to the road and be able to accelerate and brake nicely. SO I'd be happy with this and chances are I'd fit in it too -Ian Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
DaveK Posted June 8, 2007 Share Posted June 8, 2007 Nope, Camaro is a wannabe See attached. E. Vil. Er - that looks like a Ford Cortina! I do like the look of the Camaro. Looks like it's about to pick a fight. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Ian W Posted June 8, 2007 Share Posted June 8, 2007 http://www.dodge.com/en/challenger/gallery/index.html Gaddammit I want one. 6.1l Hemi V8, 500bhp out the factory. Snarl. And it won't be silly money like Porsches with half the power. I don't really car much about extracting that last 0.01g of cornering, I just like a car to feel taut and connected to the road and be able to accelerate and brake nicely. SO I'd be happy with this and chances are I'd fit in it too that is niiiiice! gotta love the 'telemetry' screen in the dials too listing 1/4 mile time etc LHD only as per usual then? Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Cable Posted June 8, 2007 Share Posted June 8, 2007 Strangely mine is my recent purchase of an old MX5. Though the Supra is a hell of a lot faster, the steering feel, handling and fun of the MX5 does make my Supra feel a little dull and detached. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
bolarbag Posted June 8, 2007 Share Posted June 8, 2007 I'm sorry but it seems to me that the guys that would contemplate owning another car for reasons of performance in this argument are ones that (in particular thread starter) dont use the supra to its full advantage...how can you feel what a supra is like in an auto form? I've never understood how anycar can be labelled in performance in the auto form! True, it would be financially viable to just buy a porsche, and if I had the money(and the sense) I'd just save for the porsche turbo too, but it would not be for performance reasons, stock manual supvs new car then yes, I understand the argument. But bpu + or a good set-up single sup and your clutching at straws in terms of performance comparisons For me the Ultima GT(Probably due to it being within my price range) would be a car I'd sell the sup for if I was looking for a performance 'upgrade', I know the porsche would be very nice, but just not as thrilling as the sup, esp in 6spd Single form Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
DaveK Posted June 8, 2007 Share Posted June 8, 2007 I'm sorry but it seems to me that the guys that would contemplate owning another car for reasons of performance in this argument are ones that (in particular thread starter) dont use the supra to its full advantage...how can you feel what a supra is like in an auto form? I've never understood how anycar can be labelled in performance in the auto form! Wow, did you just upset a lot of members. Mind you - I've only got an NA so even though it's manual I guess I'm probably worse off than the auto turbo boys (and girls). Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
stevie_b Posted June 8, 2007 Share Posted June 8, 2007 You could have a gas turbine engined F1 car, some b@stard would come up with something that went faster and handled better... Its important to have a car that: A] you feel good/comfortable driving -A car is like wearing an outfit. Lets face it as nice as porches and ferraris are round a track I for one would feel like a poser stock broker or something just driving it around town. Its like wearing a tuxedo for a trip to tescos, whereas the supra is a good all round smart-casual : B] You can afford. no point busting your ass trying to afford a car that you'll then struggle to insure/fuel/service/repair. That takes the fun out of it. Wise words, my friend. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
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