Homer Posted May 30, 2007 Share Posted May 30, 2007 Can of worms time... There's been many threads in the last few months from newbie’s asking about Supra performance figures. I think it's time for a definitive FAQ article on the subject. I'm proposing we collect the following data: - 0-60mph - Top Speed - Peak Torque - Peak bhp And for the following models: - NA - UK TT - Jspec TT and possibly: - 1.2bar BPU UK TT - 1.2bar BPU Jspec TT - T61 single - GT4088 single - T67 single Are there any other figures I missed? Ideally I'd like to have 50-70 time, braking performance, etc, but then hardly any of us are able to measure these. Therefore I think it's best we keep it simple. Does anyone have the official figures for the stock models? I'd at least like to get those in the FAQ. Ones for the modified cars can come later. I'd also propose that we only accept figures that can be proved, so that’s from ECU data log, accelerometer logs, etc. Speedo readings and guesswork are pointless and will only detriment the FAQ. Over to you guys & gals… ************************************************* Data so far: Toyota Supra MkIV TT - UK spec Price: '93-'96 (£38k-£40k) Engine cc/cyl: 6/2997 Bhp/rpm: 326/5600 Lb ft/rpm: 323/3600 Weight: 1620kg Bhp/ton: 204 0-60mph: 4.9 (6spd manual), 5.1 (4spd auto) 0-100mph: - Max mph: 155 (limited), 169 (non-UK export model of same spec) Ins Group: 19 EC mpg: 25.5 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Mike B Posted May 30, 2007 Share Posted May 30, 2007 You could start with that article in the first issue of jap tuner.. there were some absolutely stock cars there with good figures.. realworld stuff..? as a final figure you could just do the average of everyone who submits.. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Homer Posted May 30, 2007 Author Share Posted May 30, 2007 You could start with that article in the first issue of jap tuner.. there were some absolutely stock cars there with good figures.. realworld stuff..? Good idea, I've got a copy of that around somewhere. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Pig Posted May 30, 2007 Share Posted May 30, 2007 Do you only want figures if we have them all? For example @ 1.2 bar i have 447 rwhp on a t61 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Homer Posted May 30, 2007 Author Share Posted May 30, 2007 Do you only want figures if we have them all? For example @ 1.2 bar i have 447 rwhp on a t61 Yes, it would have to be them all otherwise we'd have a mismatch. (e.g. someone else might have the 0-60 figures but with a lower or Higher bhp figure). I'd also like figures all from the same rolling road (moon on a stick anyone? ). Lets try and get the stock official figures first though. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Pixelfill Posted May 30, 2007 Share Posted May 30, 2007 This sounds like Daryl arranging a rolling road session at Surrey Rolling road Mike Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Pig Posted May 30, 2007 Share Posted May 30, 2007 When i next go for mapping could i ask dan for these figures? Would it not be worth having a common boost setting for the singles? As a T61 @ 1.2 will be very different to 1.6 bar??? Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Homer Posted May 30, 2007 Author Share Posted May 30, 2007 This sounds like Daryl arranging a rolling road session at Surrey Rolling road Where did you hear that rumour from? It's all true Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Homer Posted May 30, 2007 Author Share Posted May 30, 2007 When i next go for mapping could i ask dan for these figures? Would it not be worth having a common boost setting for the singles? As a T61 @ 1.2 will be very different to 1.6 bar??? You can't do it on a dyno, only on the road or somewhere like Pod. You'll need an accelermeter or data log from the ECU. Have a word with Dan, I'm sure he can let you know how to do it provided you have a laptop and the AEM software. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Gazboy Posted May 30, 2007 Share Posted May 30, 2007 I can offer you my bhp and torque from SRR when I was stock: 330bhp, 330bls.ft for my J-spec @ 0.75bar. Top speeds, well officialy they are 112 for jdm, 155 for export I doubt you'll find official figures for unrestricted cars. I've had a recorded 153 as stock after 1.5 miles of Bruntingthorpe runway, measured by lasers 1 meter apart. Unless a German magazine took a Supra to an autobahn, or even Era Lessien I doubt you'll get genuine top speeds. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Homer Posted May 30, 2007 Author Share Posted May 30, 2007 Thanks Gaz. Good point on the top speed... b*gger I wonder if the US spec NA is the same and if they were restricted too. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
grahamc Posted May 30, 2007 Share Posted May 30, 2007 what about something like autocar or topgear, dont they have the standard specs of our cars Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Gazboy Posted May 30, 2007 Share Posted May 30, 2007 what about something like autocar or topgear, dont they have the standard specs of our cars You could try autocar. Top Gear tested the UK/European version but their figures are embaressing (and the thru gear times don't tally with the in-gear times) Can't see a USDM N/A being restricted. I think mkiv.com has a test under 'publications' of a NA battle. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Thorin Posted May 31, 2007 Share Posted May 31, 2007 I've read 169mph top speed for export versions I'm sure. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Soop Dogg Posted May 31, 2007 Share Posted May 31, 2007 I've read 169mph top speed for export versions I'm sure. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
ivan Posted July 13, 2007 Share Posted July 13, 2007 I'm thinking of writing to EVO mag to get the Supra included in their "Knowledge" pages. What do you think of the following entry as a starting point? Toyota Supra MkIV TT Issue: - Price: '93-'96 (UK) '92-'02 (JDM) Engine cc/cyl: 6/2997 Bhp/rpm: 326/5600 Lb ft/rpm: 323/3600 Weight: 1620kg Bhp/ton: 204 0-60mph: 5.1 0-100mph: - Max mph: 155 Ins Group: 20 EC mpg: 25.5 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Matt Harwood Posted July 13, 2007 Share Posted July 13, 2007 I've read 169mph top speed for export versions I'm sure. I'll third that. I'm fairly sure the official line for the TT is something like... Auto 0-60 - 5.1 Manual 0-60 - 4.9 Top speed 155 (limited) BHP - 326 Torque - 323 lbft The JDM models are 'supposed' to be limited to 280 bhp, but personally, I suggest they're similar, if not identical to the export spec, although the peak figures will be at different points in the rpm band. - Just MHO Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
juanchan Posted July 13, 2007 Share Posted July 13, 2007 Sounds good. Only a couple of points though: Is peak torque really hit before the second turbo cuts in? I've no idea myself, but it would make sense to me if the rpm for that was over 4000. Isn't a UK Supra group 19? I think it was on Parkers last time I looked. Thirdly, I wish I got that mpg Must be the way I drive if people like Henk were getting over that though Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Bobbeh Posted July 13, 2007 Share Posted July 13, 2007 Can anyone find any Jap articles testing the JDM models at the point of their release? Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
ivan Posted July 13, 2007 Share Posted July 13, 2007 Sounds good. Only a couple of points though: Is peak torque really hit before the second turbo cuts in? I've no idea myself, but it would make sense to me if the rpm for that was over 4000. Isn't a UK Supra group 19? I think it was on Parkers last time I looked. Thirdly, I wish I got that mpg Must be the way I drive if people like Henk were getting over that though Torque seemed to be around 3600 rpm whichever model I looked at so I suppose it must be right. I wasn't sure about the insurance group. I knew that JDM were group 20 but didn't know the correct one for UK cars. As for the MPG, them's the official figures apparently. I wish I got them too on normal driving. So it's now amended to read: Toyota Supra MkIV TT Issue: - Price: '93-'96 (UK) '92-'02 (JDM) Engine cc/cyl: 6/2997 Bhp/rpm: 326/5600 Lb ft/rpm: 323/3600 Weight: 1620kg Bhp/ton: 204 0-60mph: 4.9 0-100mph: - Max mph: 155 (limited) Ins Group: 19 EC mpg: 25.5 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
juanchan Posted July 14, 2007 Share Posted July 14, 2007 I wasn't sure about the insurance group. I knew that JDM were group 20 but didn't know the correct one for UK cars. As for the MPG, them's the official figures apparently. I wish I got them too on normal driving. Those insurance groups would make sense, as insurance companies will do anything for an extra bit of cash Just looked on Parkers and they quote 25mpg!! WTF? Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Daston Posted July 14, 2007 Share Posted July 14, 2007 Thought the supra was only 1480 NA and 1510 for the TT Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
blackshadow Posted July 14, 2007 Share Posted July 14, 2007 Torque seemed to be around 3600 rpm whichever model I looked at so I suppose it must be right. I wasn't sure about the insurance group. I knew that JDM were group 20 but didn't know the correct one for UK cars. As for the MPG, them's the official figures apparently. I wish I got them too on normal driving. So it's now amended to read: Toyota Supra MkIV TT Issue: - Price: '93-'96 (UK) '92-'02 (JDM) Engine cc/cyl: 6/2997 Bhp/rpm: 326/5600 Lb ft/rpm: 323/3600 Weight: 1620kg Bhp/ton: 204 0-60mph: 4.9 0-100mph: - Max mph: 155 (limited) Ins Group: 19 EC mpg: 25.5 well what ever the correct list is a newbie like me would love this info thnks guys for taking the time big:d Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Markie Posted July 14, 2007 Share Posted July 14, 2007 What about us VVT-i owners.. I feel left out Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
juanchan Posted July 14, 2007 Share Posted July 14, 2007 Thought the supra was only 1480 NA and 1510 for the TT Not sure on official dry weight figures, but my car was 1620kg on a weighbridge I think the book says 1540 for the TT, but I could be wrong. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
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