Elmo Posted May 22, 2007 Share Posted May 22, 2007 Some of you may have seen this on Sky news this morning. http://news.sky.com/skynews/video/videoplayer/0,,30000-1266788,.html The clip is quite disturbing so be warned! Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Snooze Posted May 22, 2007 Share Posted May 22, 2007 Vicious, uncaring animal slaughter up north posted as a joke: http://www.mkivsupra.net/vbb/showthread.php?t=111790 Oh no - I forgot - it's only abuse if said animal is cute or fluffy...... Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
dibbleyuk Posted May 22, 2007 Share Posted May 22, 2007 Its not right at all! what they go through during training etc isnt right they are beaten and wiped to be trained. i did laugh when i saw the bear riding the moped though hahaha Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
turbonut Posted May 22, 2007 Share Posted May 22, 2007 I saw this on the screens at the gym this morning. i didnt hear the commentary but it was sickening enough just to watch it. But then coming from a country that is rapidly killing/blighting people and the environment in its race towards industrialisation, its hardly surprising Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Elmo Posted May 22, 2007 Author Share Posted May 22, 2007 Its not right at all! what they go through during training etc isnt right they are beaten and wiped to be trained. i did laugh when i saw the bear riding the moped though hahaha What about the poor cows being dumped in the middle of a tiger enclosure so they can be eaten alive and purely for the entertainment of the visitors! Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Branners Posted May 22, 2007 Share Posted May 22, 2007 apart from feedling livestock to the tigers I would suggest that the UK were doing similar things over 30 years ago. Its only in the last 10 years that circuses have stopped using live animals such as performing seals, monkeys and lion tamers. London Zoo was also a seriously bad place for animals 30 years ago, concrete enclosures just like China. Even now its hardly a paradise compared to the large safari parks. Im sure now the BBC have latched on to it the animals will all be saved, shame the people of China arent quite so lucky. JB Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
dibbleyuk Posted May 22, 2007 Share Posted May 22, 2007 I dont agree with any of it and the people watching the tigers eatting the live cows was horrible! it is sick! Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Elmo Posted May 22, 2007 Author Share Posted May 22, 2007 I've also seen some horrible films and images of the Chinese brutally killing dogs for their fur, that really was horrendous! Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
neil tt Posted May 22, 2007 Share Posted May 22, 2007 Thats just so wrong:( Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Elmo Posted May 22, 2007 Author Share Posted May 22, 2007 They should get hold of the guy that runs the zoo and drop him in the tiger enclosure! Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Scoboblio Posted May 22, 2007 Share Posted May 22, 2007 To be honest when I first saw the clip of the cow being eaten I didn't particularly care - after all, tigers eat animals, the cow's an animal.... no more shocking than feeding mice to a snake. But apparantly the tigers are overweight and unhealthy due to being fed so much, and can't even kill their prey properly (ie quickly and on their own). Poor bloody cow was still alive after 10 minutes. The monkey enclosures and the tricks they were training them to do were just wrong. Branners is right though, Colchester zoo used to have concrete enclosures up until recently (about 15 years ago I think). Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Elmo Posted May 22, 2007 Author Share Posted May 22, 2007 To be honest when I first saw the clip of the cow being eaten I didn't particularly care - after all, tigers eat animals, the cow's an animal.... no more shocking than feeding mice to a snake. But apparantly the tigers are overweight and unhealthy due to being fed so much, and can't even kill their prey properly (ie quickly and on their own). Poor bloody cow was still alive after 10 minutes. At least in the wild prey animals are aware of their surroundings and their preditors and have a chance to escape if hunted. A cow being dumped in the middle of a ring of buses which contains a dozen tigers or so doesn't give the confused cow a chance at all, and like you said, the tigers have never hunted or been taught to kill properly so the animal is basically eaten alive! Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
mikeyb10supra Posted May 22, 2007 Share Posted May 22, 2007 its another one of these threads is it....great Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Snooze Posted May 22, 2007 Share Posted May 22, 2007 Good job we in the west don't condone the cutting down of rain forests and mass slaughter of cattle to the order of over 1,000,000,000 lb beef per year just so we can eat a burger at McDonalds, or else critisizing the Chinese might seem a bit hypocritical. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Elmo Posted May 22, 2007 Author Share Posted May 22, 2007 Good job we in the west don't condone the cutting down of rain forests and mass slaughter of cattle to the order of over 1,000,000,000 lb beef per year just so we can eat a burger at McDonalds, or else critisizing the Chinese might seem a bit hypocritical. Hypocritical, maybe. However, just because multi-billion pound corporations such as McDonalds do business this way and it doesn't mean we have to condone animal cruelty. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Snooze Posted May 22, 2007 Share Posted May 22, 2007 Certainly not, Elmo, mate - and it's by no means intended as a personal dig - I've no idea if you eat at McDonalds at all - heck - I've no idea whether you even eat meat at all. I just like people to think before they jump on the bandwagon. There's too many people who are eager to leap onto their moral high horse and look down their supposedly-PC nose at others without even considering their own actions. Personally, I'm an evil, meat-eating, McDonalds-frequenting, zoo-visiting individual. I do tend towards free-range meat and "animal-friendly" zoos (and actually avoid McDonalds altogether, to be fair), but still eat meat when it's unnecessary, visit zoos occasionally and even grab the odd fast-food meal too (actions which all have the knock-on effect of some form of animal cruelty) and therefore do not feel justified in judging others in their animal-related behaviour. Anyone who lives their life better than me, I genuinely applaud and truly support their right to criticise people like the Chinese (and people like myself, of course). Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Supragal Posted May 22, 2007 Share Posted May 22, 2007 IMHo there is a difference between animals being humanely slaughtered for food, and them being shoved in the back of a truck, alone, TIPPED out of the back of a truck into the mouths of tigers just because people want to watch that? Same with the birds. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Snooze Posted May 22, 2007 Share Posted May 22, 2007 "humanely slaughtered" :D Sorry - just suddenly struck me as quite an amusing turn of phrase. I DO agree with you, though, Rosie, but my question would be do we really know how "humanely" the animals that provide the meat that we eat have been treated. What about the animals' environments that are destroyed to provide our other luxuries. Just because we can't see it, and the unfortunate animals are not direct victims, it doesn't mean it's not happening! Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Charlotte Posted May 22, 2007 Share Posted May 22, 2007 I'm not sure if this is the same place (I can't see the clip at work) but there was a zoo in China, that featured on an itv news report that was feeding tiger to the people (in the restaurant) that watched the tigers too. They kept large amounts of dead tiger in freezers, I mean like piles of them. When confronted the zoo owner went mad and turfed the film crew out. If it is the same zoo I would suggest that animal welfare isn't high on their agenda. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Supragal Posted May 22, 2007 Share Posted May 22, 2007 Snooze, there are a lot of regulations around how animals are killed for human consumption here, so, as far as anyone can be sure then yes... Same as animal testing. Necessary evil or not? Always a good debate. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Cable Posted May 22, 2007 Share Posted May 22, 2007 Their human rights are shocking so I don't think they're gonna give a toss about some animals. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Snooze Posted May 22, 2007 Share Posted May 22, 2007 Snooze, there are a lot of regulations around how animals are killed for human consumption here, so, as far as anyone can be sure then yes... Same as animal testing. Necessary evil or not? Always a good debate. Yes there are regulations for how animals are killed for consumption here, but do those regulations apply when all the beef (for our burgers) comes from (the demolished rainforests of) South America? And what of the UK regulations? This is from an RSPCA report on legitimate UK-regulated poultry farming: Researcher found that some 5.1 per cent of birds reared to the industry standards die while being reared. This compares to 1.8 per cent for farms operating to RSPCA rules. The RSPCA said 'Red Tractor' standards allocate less space than a sheet of A4 paper to each chicken in a shed. The birds are kept in near constant dim light. This keeps the birds eating for longer and discourages activity to maximise their growth. They are bred to grow very quickly which can cause them a variety of health problems such as heart failure and lameness. Many collapse onto the floors of the sheds, which exposes them to acidic ammonia. Today, factory farm chicken grow to slaughter weight of around two kilos in just 38 days, which is more than twice the growth rate of 30 years ago. Doesn't sound very humane to me. Mind you - doesn't stop me eating chicken, of course! Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
mathew Posted May 22, 2007 Share Posted May 22, 2007 il never forget the time that the goat appeared in the t-rex cage in jurassic park. im completely against that sorta cruelty which is purely for entertainment Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Matt H Posted May 22, 2007 Share Posted May 22, 2007 Thats out of order. sick and evil Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Kittyclaws Posted May 23, 2007 Share Posted May 23, 2007 They should get hold of the guy that runs the zoo and drop him in the tiger enclosure! With you there on that one Matey, along with his staff too. On a lighter note, we could tip one of my cats in there too. After she has kicked some stripey arse, she will still be in a Tortie frenzy, we could then throw her in one of the buses. That would wipe the smile off the f#ckers faces Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
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