sathorburn Posted April 30, 2007 Share Posted April 30, 2007 after a long think about the future of my NA, I have decided that I want to keep it, and not get another supra, as the bodywork etc is virtually perfect. However, I want more power and decided that as opposed to and NA-T, I would prefer a TT engine in there. Damn going to turbofit and hearing those lovely engine sounds. Could someone please give me an indication of the cost envolved, and also who I could speak to about this. actually, any advice on where to start would be great. if it matters I have a 1994 NA manual. Cheers in advance guys. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
sathorburn Posted April 30, 2007 Author Share Posted April 30, 2007 oh, not really bothered if it ends up manual or auto. although would prefer to keep the box it has (manual). cheers Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Scooter Posted April 30, 2007 Share Posted April 30, 2007 well its been done.............i think Intercooler stuff, engine loom + ecu are minimums on top of getting the engine (if it has all ancillaries etc). going auto means a potentially more reliable drive train.....but you'll need prop diff (driveshafts?) etc.....plus some interior bits and pieces....... Staying manual and using the stock prop and diff (prob open)etc means possible clutch/gearbox problems, and NA gearing....... Going to 6 speed is expensive........... Easiest way IMO is stick to the 5 speed, live with the short'ish' gearing and budget for an immediate uprated clutch...... Does your car have abs? When you've spent all the money required will it really end up being any better than say the Red uk auto for sale at £6500 ono? Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Lucifer Posted April 30, 2007 Share Posted April 30, 2007 £3500 all in for everything is the usual Bill. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
sathorburn Posted April 30, 2007 Author Share Posted April 30, 2007 £3500 all in for everything is the usual Bill. when you say usual bill, what would that be for? and where would it be done... could I expect to walk in, hand over £3500, come back in a week and have a TT waiting for my right foot?? If so, i think i'll take one!!! Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
b.weeks Posted April 30, 2007 Share Posted April 30, 2007 Hi Stuart, You might want to speak to Jezzy (aka "jezzybabes"). You never know - he might have a TT engine you could have (although suspect these get snapped up pretty quick). I would probably stick with the manual you have (although possibly a few issues of having a 5-speed box which isn't quite as strong apparently). Of course my autobox is now available if you want that ;-) I can see your reasoning for sticking with your car. The way I see it, it takes time to buy and sell cars to get what you want ("time = money"), and you can consider it a hobby getting from what you have to what you really want - I've learnt quite a bit (still loads more to learn!). EDIT: You could always get this: http://cgi.ebay.co.uk/Toyota-Aristo-with-3-0-Twin-Turbo-Supra-Engine-2JZ-44k_W0QQitemZ110091409358QQihZ001QQcategoryZ18290QQssPageNameZWDVWQQrdZ1QQcmdZViewItem Swap the engines and sell it again, or sell it bit by bit if the labour is too much to put your engine in it. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
sathorburn Posted May 1, 2007 Author Share Posted May 1, 2007 EDIT: You could always get this: http://cgi.ebay.co.uk/Toyota-Aristo-with-3-0-Twin-Turbo-Supra-Engine-2JZ-44k_W0QQitemZ110091409358QQihZ001QQcategoryZ18290QQssPageNameZWDVWQQrdZ1QQcmdZViewItem Swap the engines and sell it again, or sell it bit by bit if the labour is too much to put your engine in it. cheers Ben, my cryptic text message was due to the fact I was looking at that Aristo, and having that very thought........ going to keep on thinking for a while then make a decision as the summer heat starts effecting my judgement:sly: oh and your auto box, may be of interest Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Lucifer Posted May 1, 2007 Share Posted May 1, 2007 when you say usual bill, what would that be for? and where would it be done... could I expect to walk in, hand over £3500, come back in a week and have a TT waiting for my right foot?? If so, i think i'll take one!!! Yes thats about right. Buy a complete kit from Jezzy - £1700 ish, then the rest is labour. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Lucifer Posted May 1, 2007 Share Posted May 1, 2007 Arist Engines are quite different you know. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
jim_supra Posted May 1, 2007 Share Posted May 1, 2007 I did my TT engine conversion a couple of weeks back. I bought the (ultra low mileage!!) TT engine, autobox, turbo's and everything else needed for the conversion from Jezzybabes and did the conversion myself in a just over a weekend (was spread out over a few days waiting for various bit's and bobs i'd forgotten) Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
rick001 Posted May 1, 2007 Share Posted May 1, 2007 I did my TT engine conversion a couple of weeks back. I bought the (ultra low mileage!!) TT engine, autobox, turbo's and everything else needed for the conversion from Jezzybabes and did the conversion myself in a weekend. Hi jim, just took a gander at your baby in ya garage - beautifull car mate, really stunning, whats it like now you have the TT installed? rick Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
jim_supra Posted May 1, 2007 Share Posted May 1, 2007 Hi Rick, Thanks, the car runs ALOT faster now, and sounds superb with the turbo whistle!! it drinks a little bit more fuel now aswell, but that's to be expected! Oh and it's a little bit more of a handful in the wet, but i need wider wheels at the back to help with that a little. I need to update my garage soon with pics of the TT engine rather than the NA Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
sathorburn Posted May 1, 2007 Author Share Posted May 1, 2007 I did my TT engine conversion a couple of weeks back. I bought the (ultra low mileage!!) TT engine, autobox, turbo's and everything else needed for the conversion from Jezzybabes and did the conversion myself in a weekend. sounds really promising, I don't think i'm quite up to doing the swap myself. I'm not really up to changing the oil myself if I'm brutally honest?!?! want to do another one?? lol when you say every everything else needed for the conversion, what else did you buy? could you pm me a list, or post here. cheers for the input so far guys, this is really helping. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
rick001 Posted May 1, 2007 Share Posted May 1, 2007 Great sense of acheivment as well i bet as you did it yourself? Was it much of a balls ache to swap as might choose to go this way myself?? rick Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
jim_supra Posted May 1, 2007 Share Posted May 1, 2007 right, here's is the list of parts i got from jezzy, i'm remembering as i go so the list will get longer!! engine complete with all anscillaries, alternator, air con pump, power steering pump, power steering reservoir etc. TT automatic Gearbox (this was left attached to the engine) TT automatic gearbox support bracket. Turbo's and all associated pipework (again these were still bolted to the engine) Engine wiring loom. Ignitor pack. TT engine ECU TT automatic gearbox ECU Side mount intercooler plus all intercooler pipework. Standard airbox plus pipework. TT viscous fan (different than on the NA) Prop shaft (both sections) Dial cluster from a TT. (The NA rev counter doesn't work with a TT engine conversion and the speedo reads slightly out) with the prop shaft I had a bit of trouble, where the prop shaft bolts up to the rear diff. On the TT the hole centres are larger than those on the NA. I did manage to bolt the prop shaft to the NA diff but it took a while!! I would advise to avoid this problem in getting a TT LSD aswell. In hindsight I should have done this! Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
jim_supra Posted May 1, 2007 Share Posted May 1, 2007 Great sense of acheivment as well i bet as you did it yourself? Was it much of a balls ache to swap as might choose to go this way myself?? rick Yes it was a great sense of acheivement! after a weekend of great frustration!! It was a bit of a ball ache as it was pretty new to me. now I know what's involved it's not that bad. If either of you guys decide to go down this route I'll be more than willing to lend a hand. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
rick001 Posted May 1, 2007 Share Posted May 1, 2007 Yes it was a great sense of acheivement! after a weekend of great frustration!! It was a bit of a ball ache as it was pretty new to me. now I know what's involved it's not that bad. If either of you guys decide to go down this route I'll be more than willing to lend a hand. Hey thanks jim - really appreciate that good luck with the "NEW CAR" mate will have a gander on ya garage when you post up your new pics rick Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
dibbleyuk Posted May 1, 2007 Share Posted May 1, 2007 Anychance anyone can put up a list of everything you need if keeping your 5speed manual box? Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
jim_supra Posted May 1, 2007 Share Posted May 1, 2007 Anychance anyone can put up a list of everything you need if keeping your 5speed manual box? I presume it would be pretty much the same as the auto conversion, except you wouldn't need the auto box, support bracket or prop shaft. not sure what would need to be done with regards to the ECU as the TT never came with a 5 speed 'box, so not sure if a 6spd ECU or the auto ECU would work. Oh and you would most definitely need an uprated clutch. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
JODY T Posted May 1, 2007 Share Posted May 1, 2007 You can use any TT ecu....... You control the box, so the ECU doesnt care haow many gears you have! Its a great conversion, I did one for Iain2010.... It was very fun.. He went BPU too, and that was very interesting, but again more expensive! Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Jezz Posted May 1, 2007 Share Posted May 1, 2007 When I supply the whole shabbang for a Na-TT conversion, the engine itself will come complete straight out of its donor engine bay in one lump. Turbo side untouched, and inlet side untouched. Full engine harness still attached. So basically a complete 'running' unit ready to bolt in. Intercooler and pipework, power steering pot, and master cylinder vac hose all supplied. And as Jim said, anything you need along the way but find to be missing, is included. 5 GTE setups in stock currently. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
PAG Posted May 1, 2007 Share Posted May 1, 2007 Very intresting posts lads iv got silly thoughts in my head now can i ask if the wiring looms are different from the n/a and the tt?Cheers. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
dini_the_owl Posted May 1, 2007 Share Posted May 1, 2007 yep wiring looms are slightly different, fusebox will need re wiring as the n/a plugs are different,quite simple just need to rewire in for efi no2 relay and fuel pump relay as i recall.best is to get a cut tt fusebox and just change the plug side to the n.a and swap the connectors for the appropriate relays.ecu side is one small difference of the white connector(not the earth one on n/a) just ignore that unless your planning on rewiring the whole front end for the trac control/uprated abs.. since most people run without trac anyway...good luck m8 fyi as already stated you can run any stock tt ecu on a 5 spd but obviously you do get a engine check light Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
PAG Posted May 2, 2007 Share Posted May 2, 2007 Cheers for the info dosent really sound like the swap is to complicated think this may well happen in the next couple of years had best start saving lol. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
dini_the_owl Posted May 2, 2007 Share Posted May 2, 2007 it depends on how far you are willing to go,mines been off the road for aprox 5 months now, just doing it at weekends and stuff but its coming on great,ive only a handfull of jobs to do so she should see summer at least....... Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
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