Crank pulley bolt, what am I doing wrong?

[Class One]

Did mine yesterday and replaced the crank pully in an hour and a half.

 

Put the car up on axle stands and went in from underneath. Had to move a cooler pipe out of the way, but nothing drastic.

 

Had a 3ft long torque wrench and because mine is an auto and I had a handy tip from a very friendly tech mod I used the car turning over on the crank by pulling the efi fuses and just cranking it for about 2/10ths of a second and that managed to get the nut undone and jammed the end of the wrench into the ground.

 

To put the new one on, we had to get right under the car into the bell housing and jammed up the flywheel to do it up.

 

It's now tightened up FT for now, but will get it checked at service time in 2 weeks.

[Shane]

get your man to fill his air gun with oil, itll make the gun much more powerful... Not a good idea but may get you out of a hole...

 

Tried that,(forgot to mention it in the first post) still didn't undo.

[Shane]

Did mine yesterday and replaced the crank pully in an hour and a half.

 

Put the car up on axle stands and went in from underneath. Had to move a cooler pipe out of the way, but nothing drastic.

 

Had a 3ft long torque wrench and because mine is an auto and I had a handy tip from a very friendly tech mod I used the car turning over on the crank by pulling the efi fuses and just cranking it for about 2/10ths of a second and that managed to get the nut undone and jammed the end of the wrench into the ground.

 

To put the new one on, we had to get right under the car into the bell housing and jammed up the flywheel to do it up.

 

 

 

It's now tightened up FT for now, but will get it checked at service time in 2 weeks.

 

We tried something very similar but used the underside of the cross member instead of the ground but that didn't work either. Looks like I am going to have to a) try and find a friendly dealer locally or b) jam the flywheel end and use a serious breaker.

 

Called the Toyota dealer in Northampton and not only did they not want to undo the bolt they also told me they would not do it as a job because it is an import!

[Shane]

yer we charge £96+vat a hour! but if all the undertray is off etc all you will have to do is put it on a ramp. remove the boost pipe and fit the tool.15 min job!

 

Where abouts in Essex are you then?

[D8MOA]

southend on sea! bit far for you to travel isnt it?

[Terminator]

 

Called the Toyota dealer in Northampton and not only did they not want to undo the bolt the bolt they also told me they would not do it as a job because it is an import!

 

Toyota is a global company, so should do any work on your car. You should contact Toyota UK and inform them their Northampton branch is refusing to do work on your car.

[Rob]

Toyota is a global company, so should do any work on your car. You should contact Toyota UK and inform them their Northampton branch is refusing to do work on your car.

 

Absolutely, Toyota UK made several press releases to this effect in and around 2000. Grass up the idiots in your branch Shane. There's no difference beween UK and JDM as far as the crank pulley nut goes.

[Shane]

southend on sea! bit far for you to travel isnt it?

 

Yeh I guess it is a fair way from here...but desperate people do desperate things sometimes.

[fastisnice]

I'll give you the solution, i had the same problem while in Greece and i was getting more desperate than you because i had to get back all the way to UK!. My dad gave me the solution, you need this:

http://www.fotosearch.com/thumb/ISI/ISI115/OEMEN034.JPG, something like a huge adjustable spanner(i think plumbers are using it), which will be big enough to grab the whole pulley(from the outside rubber side) and to stop it from spinning round the rubber part you, you place it against the ground(you need to find a locking spot). When you 've done this you will need to make or find a long tube (at least a meter and a half long) to create massive torque(you place the socket tool inside the tube) while undoing the centre pulley bolt..That will do it trust me! no matter how hard has been done!..Let me know of your results. Good luck

[b_have]

I'll give you the solution, i had the same problem while in Greece and i was getting more desperate than you because i had to get back all the way to UK!. My dad gave me the solution, you need this:

http://www.fotosearch.com/thumb/ISI/ISI115/OEMEN034.JPG, something like a huge adjustable spanner(i think plumbers are using it), which will be big enough to grab the whole pulley(from the outside rubber side) and to stop it from spinning round the rubber part you, you place it against the ground(you need to find a locking spot). When you 've done this you will need to make or find a long tube (at least a meter and a half long) to create massive torque(you place the socket tool inside the tube) while undoing the centre pulley bolt..That will do it trust me! no matter how hard has been done!..Let me know of your results. Good luck

 

Careful with this, if you hold via the harmonic rubber you will cause damage. If you can sacrifice the front pulley, use heat.

[fastisnice]

I know, my pulley was broken so i didnt care about the rubber part..get a boost logic one!

[JODY T]

boostlogic pulleys tend to fall apart mate! The bolts holding them together work loose and eventually snap! Dont like em..

 

MO obviously

[Ian C]

boostlogic pulleys tend to fall apart mate! The bolts holding them together work loose and eventually snap! Dont like em..

 

MO obviously

 

That's an interesting statement. Can you give the detail behind that? I don't see where opinion comes into it unless that's a way of saying "I heard this once on the internet but can't back it up"

 

-Ian

[b_have]

boostlogic pulleys tend to fall apart mate! The bolts holding them together work loose and eventually snap! Dont like em..

 

MO obviously

 

Thats a bit scarey, I have a BL one. Should these bolts be periodically re-torqued? Removed and loctite?

You have me worried now, is this personal experience?

[fastisnice]

Thats a wrong statement!, i've had one which broke due to unscrewed bolts. Thats the only reason it can break.

You have to make sure you do the screws before you fit it. I even put locktight inside the screw rounds to ensure they will stay there forever!.

[Ian C]

Thats a wrong statement!, i've had one which broke due to unscrewed bolts. Thats the only reason it can break.

You have to make sure you do the screws before you fit it. I even put locktight inside the screw rounds to ensure they will stay there forever!.

 

Are you saying you did all that and it still broke, or that's what you did with a new one after an untightened one broke?

 

Are you still on a stock bottom end btw, with that spec?

 

-Ian

[JODY T]

Happy to explain Ian,

All but one of the Boostlogic pulleys Ive dealt with have failed, in the same way. The bolts come loose and one by one they shear off... Untill the Ali piece of the pully falls off totally... leaving the hub that goes over the crank, jammed on, as when the pully fails it twists the hub so its not on straight and then it wont come off! To get them off Ive had to heat the hub on the crank and actually hit the hub with a chisel to break it off, As you know not a good idea!

[fastisnice]

Thats what happened without doing all the above(Just make sure you screw the bolts tight-use loctight-even better). When I got the 2nd one i did all the above and its been all good.

Apart from titanium spring ret&flowed cylinder head/ARP studs) yes all stock at the moment and have been for almost year. I dont even have to top up any oil!. Engine was taken apart while ago to check and its all like it was, perfect. Im not running though daily 1.7, but as long as fuelling is good i doubt it will ever go wrong.

[JODY T]

Thats a bit scarey, I have a BL one. Should these bolts be periodically re-torqued? Removed and loctite?

You have me worried now, is this personal experience?

 

Check the bolts, and put some lock tight in yes.. Im sure itll help, However from what i have seen of them i wouldnt put one on mine so i definatly wouldnt put one on a customer! Again MO

[JODY T]

I have a pic on my phone, if someone PMs me a number perhaps they can upload it?

[Ian C]

Apart from titanium spring ret&flowed cylinder head/ARP studs) yes all stock at the moment and have been for almost year. I dont even have to top up any oil!. Engine was taken apart while ago to check and its all like it was, perfect. Im not running though daily 1.7, but as long as fuelling is good i doubt it will ever go wrong.

 

Gotta love that engine

 

-Ian

[fastisnice]

{ Owen who mapped my Motec helps i suppose+my engine was bought with 30K }

 

I highly doubt if its all done properly boost logic will ever fail,

I've had mine tested @8,200 revs/close to 800bhp 200mph+

 

Almost a year now!!

[Shane]

As the title says, almost a week later it's finally out!

 

Made another tool and used this time used some old sockets as sleeves on the M8 bolts between the pulley and the underside of the tool. I ran a tap down the threads first and the bolts I used were case hardened bolts and manged to get them really tight, not only against the tool but also between the inner surface of the crank pulley and the underside of the tool. I used 2" steel angle for the tool. It took a 6foot long scaffold pole and the M8 bolts were wrecked afterwards, but it came undone.

 

This morning I went into SIMS Toyota in Northampton and explained the problem I was having to a "Muckanic" and it turned out that they don't even have a tool themselves. he said he knew of a "special way" using the starter..........told him I had tried that, and then he said I had no alternative but to use a air tool. Told him I used one of them too. In fairness, he did lend me a puller to get the pulley off should I manage to get the bolt out, but in fact my pulley came off with just the smallest of taps with the rubber hammer. This incidentally is the same dealer who last week told me that they wouldn't change my water pump and cambelt because mine is an import and they dont do imports. I took the advice of you guys on board and blagged it by saying that I had spoken to Toyota UK and they were most concerned that I had been told that, and that I should go back to the dealer and if I still had no joy then to let them know. Once I told the bird on reception this speel she went and spoke to someone and they all became very helpful.

 

 

Anyway it's off, the water pump is also off and as I suspected like Daston's the other week, my leak is coming from the small core plug at the rear of the stat housing. Next problem is finding one of them. Tried four places today and two of them didn't know what core plugs were, 1 didn't have one in stock the same size as I wanted, and the other said they don't stock them any more as "new cars don't use them". by this time I had had enough and told the guy this was rubbish but he was adament that new cars didn't use them, Muppet!

 

Don't really want to bodge the core plug now, after all the effort I have gone to getting to this stage, can anyone suggest where I can get one from?

 

Thanks for all the advice guys, got there in the end. Incidentally, I am very pleased that this has happened now rather than later as it appears that my cambelt was getting tired and needed changing anyhow. It's one of those things I had alsways thought since buying the car that I should do soon, but noticed on the outer edge that it looked like it had started to almost de-laminate.

[ChrisSZ]

Don't really want to bodge the core plug now, after all the effort I have gone to getting to this stage, can anyone suggest where I can get one from?

 

 

Don't Halfords sell them at all?

 

Glad you got Lucifer's bolt off finally :d

[Shane]

Don't Halfords sell them at all?

 

Glad you got Lucifer's bolt off finally :d

 

Hi Chris,

 

Fraid not, they were one of the places that didn't know what a core plug was!!!!

 

Have to laff don't you, while the 12 year old kid was serving me his colleague, a 13 year old girl with more spots than a pizza said to him "this blokes wants a bulb for a scorpion, what make is that?". But credit where it's due, he realised that the guy had said scorpio...but he still didn't know what a core plug was. My youngest works at the same branch and is on the "bike hut team", it was only last week that I was showing him how to adjust his cones, but now he is advising the general public about their bikes.

 

Anyhow, all is well now its off, finding a core plug is the least of my worries....I hope.