Guest NINJYA Posted April 20, 2007 Share Posted April 20, 2007 Ninjya... Since the weather is good, why don't you and beth head down to the new forest and go camping. It is a cheap weekend away, and some of the camp sites are lovely... We did at the beginning of this month and it is so relaxing.. funny you should say that Gav - we are going to stay at my parents holiday home in New Milton - right next to the New Forest. Then Sunday we will go to Bournemouth - i could do with a break! Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Kranz Posted April 20, 2007 Share Posted April 20, 2007 - we are going to stay at my parents holiday home in New Milton - right next to the New Forest. In that case watch out for a drunken hoard of marauding off duty police officers bingeing on rough cider. My colleagues are away camping in the New Forest. They're probably in the campsite next to your mobile home Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Guest NINJYA Posted April 20, 2007 Share Posted April 20, 2007 In that case watch out for a drunken hoard of marauding off duty police officers bingeing on rough cider. My colleagues are away camping in the New Forest. They're probably in the campsite next to your mobile home Great - ill look out for them!! Thankyou for your advise i must say everything you said was true. I had begun to blame myself - i do feel like i should try and help him but i dont even know where he is. Maybe its just as well as we need to move on, hopefully the weekend will cheer us up - im looking forward to it! Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
SilverSoop Posted April 22, 2007 Share Posted April 22, 2007 Im so sorry, thats horrible what he's done to you and beth. Just keep your chin up and dont give him the satisfaction. Honestly he's not worth it. If he wants to throw his life away, then clearly in my eyes anyway, he doesnt give a crap which is very sad. I absoulutely hate drugs and what they can do to people, this is a prime example of what they can do, just stay away from him and be with beth because thats whats important now. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Blackie Posted April 22, 2007 Share Posted April 22, 2007 it is all very sad, but i am wondering how much crack you can actually get for a jack russel? Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
imi Posted April 22, 2007 Share Posted April 22, 2007 In saying that, I am not going to jump on the bandwagon of castigating your ex. Addictions in any form are a terrible disease and until people walk in those shoes then they really should not comment. CJ's turning into a softy....... Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
CJ Posted April 22, 2007 Share Posted April 22, 2007 CJ's turning into a softy....... It must be an age thing Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Suprash Posted April 22, 2007 Share Posted April 22, 2007 I've written two replies and not posted them to this thread now, but can't hold my fingers any longer. I have no sympathy for anyone that messes with Class A drugs. There's good reason they're outlawed and why will never even try one out of curiosity. I'm sensible enough to think, "what if I liked it?" To avoid destroying your life (and the others around you), just don't even try it! I do not feel the same about people that fall foul to alcoholism, smoking and other legalised social drugs. Sorry, but I just cannot bring myself to feel sorry for anyone that can't get over an addiction they shouldn't have had access to start in the first instance. I wont reply to this thread fully as like CJ some of your comments are getting to me, and you clearly show ignorance - pure and simple.....but to be blunt your comments Pete I think are backwards and once again ingnorant..........please dont take this personally, Im not having a go at 'you' so much, its just I personally feel very strongly about this subject, Im just airing my views..... Can you tell me why this comment is true? "I do not feel the same about people that fall foul to alcoholism, smoking and other legalised social drugs" What makes cigs, alcohol and other legalised drugs different, is it just for the fact the're legal......what if the goverment made Ectasy legal, would you not feel the same way about users of that then..... Your a typical media reading, black and white, cant see the shit for the stars sterio type, and people like you I have no time for their opinions either, cause you clearly dont know shit......and are clearly commenting on something you have never experienced. Just because one drug is legal and one isnt doesnt make one ok and not the other....... Do you realise the death rate through cigs and alcohol compared to say E's and coke.........Im sure you would agree that 'our' society could have got the clarrification of these drugs slightly mixed up then on that bases, then again you could argue that these drugs are only big killers like they are because its readily available, but you didnt. I do E's, coke and sometimes other drugs.......but Im not about to loose my house/job/life etc.......... in fact I have been managing pretty well for the last 8 years with my love for drugs.......... But thats the problem with some poeple, keeping things real, understanding and education in what your doing.......this world would be a whole lot further if we had more people that thought like Jake........ Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Suprash Posted April 22, 2007 Share Posted April 22, 2007 I feel bettter now........ Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Blackie Posted April 22, 2007 Share Posted April 22, 2007 well done suprash!! i also belive its easy for people to say how bad illegal drugs are and know nothing about them. the truth is, the people who sell there stuff and steal to buy coke and ecstacy would of been fckheads even with out the drugs, its in there makeup. the government have no control over the drug culture but if they did and could tax it, it would be another story...... Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Suprash Posted April 22, 2007 Share Posted April 22, 2007 well done suprash!! i also belive its easy for people to say how bad illegal drugs are and know nothing about them. the truth is, the people who sell there stuff and steal to buy coke and ecstacy would of been fckheads even with out the drugs, its in there makeup. the government have no control over the drug culture but if they did and could tax it, it would be another story...... I just dont see how people can blame the drugs, I believe I have a very addictive personality, maybe I have, maybe thats the reason come weekend time, yeah I want to get 'off' my head, but at the end of the day if you walk into a fire with your eyes shut, your gonna get burned. However I like to believe Im a little more wide eyed to this. I know that if Im still off my head on Sunday night with work on Monday morning then Im asking for trouble, and even possibly loosing my job. So I start on a friday night, if we got into Sat night cool, but come Sunday morning, its back on the pure orange juice and wind down time. As I said understanding and education, realising what my body has lacked over the weekend and taking things to compensate that. Also Im not a fan of people that go days on it without sleeping, sleep I believe is the biggest detox you can get, and never go more then one night with out getting my 6 hours in bed at a minimum....... Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
sooper-supra Posted April 22, 2007 Share Posted April 22, 2007 whata tosser... Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Homer Posted April 22, 2007 Share Posted April 22, 2007 I feel bettter now........ Glad you got that out eh? Must admit I agree with everything all you said. There's too much media hysteria about "illegal" drugs and so many people just don't differentiate between them, or even the legal drugs! Booze, Nicotine, Pot, MDMA, even coke is one thing... smack, meth, crack, etc are quite another! whata tosser... Come on, Ash is a nice fella really! Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
DaveK Posted April 22, 2007 Share Posted April 22, 2007 Booze, Nicotine, Pot, MDMA, even coke is one thing... smack, meth, crack, etc are quite another! I've avoided commenting on this thread, although I do have a definite opinion. However - I am curious about this statement. I admit - my knowledge of illegal drugs is virtually non-existent, and I don't plan to increase it, especially not first hand. But I would not have expected coke to be in the first part of the list. What distinction are you making? What causes some drugs to be OK, and some not? Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Homer Posted April 22, 2007 Share Posted April 22, 2007 What distinction are you making? What causes some drugs to be OK, and some not? It's a fair question Many will see things different but for me it's all about sensible usage. There are no long lasting effects from moderate usage of the first examples. The difference with the last examples is that they cannot be used in moderation. Addiction is incredibly fast and virtually irreversible (ever talked to an ex-addict and you'll understand, they're almost always severely damaged) That said, I think alcohol is one of the more damaging drugs available. Ex-alcoholics (if there is ever such a thing) full under the same class as any other ex-heavy drug users. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
CJ Posted April 22, 2007 Share Posted April 22, 2007 ... Ex-alcoholics (if there is ever such a thing) full under the same class as any other ex-heavy drug users. As you indicated old chap, there is no such thing as an ex-alcoholic. They are still alcoholics that don't drink any more. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
gaz1 Posted April 22, 2007 Share Posted April 22, 2007 christ just read through this, and really feel for you and the little un, really hope you find her dog, and i wish you both well Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Homer Posted April 22, 2007 Share Posted April 22, 2007 As you indicated old chap, there is no such thing as an ex-alcoholic. They are still alcoholics that don't drink any more. Yep, well put. It's the same with users of the other seriously hard drugs - Smack, crack, etc. The problem is that meth and crack addiction is so damaging it's almost impossible to kick. Nicotine, MDMA, pot, coke are relatively minor in addiction to those above. IME pot, MDMA, and many of the illegal drugs are far, far less additive than Nicotine (for example). Nicotine is legal though so is generally an acceptable addiction. Never know anyone addicted to pot or Ecstasy though! Maybe they just moved on to "better" things? Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Kranz Posted April 22, 2007 Share Posted April 22, 2007 Never know anyone addicted to pot I know a few. They get so reliant on the hit that they can't function without it. Most people just are regular or occasional recreational tokers, however some have to spend the hours between waking and final unconsiousness in a smoke filled daze, as the real world isn't quite right without it Side effects are few, but I believe it can cause MH problems if smoked heavily from a very young age. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Suprash Posted April 25, 2007 Share Posted April 25, 2007 Yep, well put. It's the same with users of the other seriously hard drugs - Smack, crack, etc. The problem is that meth and crack addiction is so damaging it's almost impossible to kick. Nicotine, MDMA, pot, coke are relatively minor in addiction to those above. IME pot, MDMA, and many of the illegal drugs are far, far less additive than Nicotine (for example). Nicotine is legal though so is generally an acceptable addiction. Never know anyone addicted to pot or Ecstasy though! Maybe they just moved on to "better" things? Forgot to check this thread, so without directly ressurecting it, well said Homer, my thoughts exactly, just wish I had the tact you have lol......... Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Guest NINJYA Posted April 28, 2007 Share Posted April 28, 2007 Reading alot of your comments i would just like to say if people choose to do drugs - smoke - drink even eat too much - thats up to them -its your body and your life. Its when your actions effect other people and hurt family or friends or even strangers. I know all about what drugs do to you and lived around them for over 10 years - i admit to doing them - i wont pretend to be an angel. But for the sake of my daughter i gave up - ok i never got so bad as to what my ex has done - but drugs are drugs. I dont drink, smoke or do any type of drugs - prescribed or illegal. I have never felt better - i know the effects of drugs - and id never ever touch anything again. But if you do them its up to you...your the one taking a risk. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Pete Posted April 28, 2007 Share Posted April 28, 2007 I wont reply to this thread fully as like CJ some of your comments are getting to me, and you clearly show ignorance - pure and simple.....but to be blunt your comments Pete I think are backwards and once again ingnorant..........please dont take this personally, Im not having a go at 'you' so much, its just I personally feel very strongly about this subject, Im just airing my views..... Hi Ash. Only just seen this. I like you and am trying to see where you're coming from and have a sensible discussion on this. Oooooaky... Can you tell me why this comment is true? "I do not feel the same about people that fall foul to alcoholism, smoking and other legalised social drugs" Because they're available in every corner shop and legal, therefore easier to slip into problems with. You could say the same about class A's, but that depends where you live I guess. What I'm trying to say is I have more sympathy for people that have problems kicking alcohol and fags as they're a part of society and every day life across the whole population. Banned substances aren't. You won't struggle to pay the bills because you're addicted to nicotine for instance. Your a typical media reading, black and white, cant see the shit for the stars stereo type, and people like you I have no time for their opinions either, cause you clearly don't know shit......and are clearly commenting on something you have never experienced. We have had alcoholics and people hooked an anti-depressants in the family if that's what you mean? No, no class A drug abusers though. Do you realise the death rate through cigs and alcohol compared to say E's and coke......... Yes it's a major widespread problem. More of a problem than class A's I'd agree. I didn't mean to infer that is wasn't. I do E's, coke and sometimes other drugs.......but Im not about to loose my house/job/life etc.......... in fact I have been managing pretty well for the last 8 years with my love for drugs.......... Lucky for you. I wouldn't take the risk. Maybe your body can take it...many others can't, abuse it and destroy their lives and others. Simple as. I worry about that "love of drugs" statement. But thats the problem with some poeple, keeping things real, understanding and education in what your doing.......this world would be a whole lot further if we had more people that thought like Jake........ What did Jake say? Can't see that. Educating people that Es are OK to take? "Just drink lots of water and don't take too many at once, you'll be ok"? or do you mean educating people that all substance abuse is bad regardless of what it is? I did receive this kind of education and the facts about them all. I'm not sure how that makes me ignorant? Any chance you could reply with less swearing? Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
brettjones Posted April 28, 2007 Share Posted April 28, 2007 just read throgh all the posts and none of it is relevant to how your little girl must be feeling hang in there we also have a jack and also have kids who have had problems with a parent it can get better be strong and lean on your friends we are all rooting for you Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Guest NINJYA Posted April 28, 2007 Share Posted April 28, 2007 just read throgh all the posts and none of it is relevant to how your little girl must be feeling hang in there we also have a jack and also have kids who have had problems with a parent it can get better be strong and lean on your friends we are all rooting for you you are so right - this arguement on whose right or wrong about bloody drugs, the one thing thats hurting the most in all this is my little girl. She's lost her dad to crack - people have said you cant blame the drugs - who do i blame - myself? I dont feel angry anymore at my ex - and we still dont know where he is. My little girl has to come to terms with the fact that she may never see her dad again. Why? I cant explain this to her. She seems ok most days but then we'll have a bad day and she'll play up over something silly. Then if i tell her off she says i dont love her and i dont want her, she walks all over me. I feel so bad for her i know this has screwed her up and she is bound to take it out on me. The kids are the ones that suffer most from situations like this - some kids are born crack addicts or heroin addicts. I just hope her dads ok - cos its been a month now with not even a phone call - to be honest im worried sick. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Havard Posted April 28, 2007 Share Posted April 28, 2007 you are so right - this arguement on whose right or wrong about bloody drugs, the one thing thats hurting the most in all this is my little girl. She's lost her dad to crack - people have said you cant blame the drugs - who do i blame - myself? I dont feel angry anymore at my ex - and we still dont know where he is. My little girl has to come to terms with the fact that she may never see her dad again. Why? I cant explain this to her. She seems ok most days but then we'll have a bad day and she'll play up over something silly. Then if i tell her off she says i dont love her and i dont want her, she walks all over me. I feel so bad for her i know this has screwed her up and she is bound to take it out on me. The kids are the ones that suffer most from situations like this - some kids are born crack addicts or heroin addicts. I just hope her dads ok - cos its been a month now with not even a phone call - to be honest im worried sick. Jesus!! You have my upmost sympathy Ninjya. I can only begin to understand how you feel at the moment. Even though I have had my fair share of "Family" issues, I have never experienced anything like this. Beth will be very confused and will probably take everything out on you. It is true that youyr hurt the people you love the most in times of disarray. You must remain strong and support her as best you can, but don't become a doormat as that will not help either of you in the long term. I won't be particulatly sympathetic to your ex as I have no time for people who are that selfish. I think if you didn't see him again, you would both be the better for it! H. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
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