Thorin Posted April 20, 2007 Share Posted April 20, 2007 Oxymoron?! That's why he was sequestered. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
DaveK Posted April 20, 2007 Share Posted April 20, 2007 I did look into this when I signed up and so far it's not been an issue, in fact I'm even getting 3G / HSDPA in some fairly odd rural locations - I'm sure there will be places where it sucks but I rarely use voice calling anyway so I'll just keep driving until I get somewhere with a signal Just out of interest - how do you know you're getting HSDPA? Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
D3xt3r Posted April 20, 2007 Share Posted April 20, 2007 Ive got my N95 now for some days and absolutely love it. My best phone so far and I change my phones like underwear. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Thorin Posted April 20, 2007 Share Posted April 20, 2007 I'll probably get one next month when I'm due to upgrade but I must say battery life will probably be a pain, although with my current 6280 if I turn off GPRS "Always connected" & bluetooth, battery life doubles. I did say I'd get a smaller phone next time too... hmmm. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Clarkey Posted April 20, 2007 Share Posted April 20, 2007 Good phone. Bitch to test though. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Thorin Posted April 20, 2007 Share Posted April 20, 2007 Hmm, just looked into how much O2 are likely to want from me to upgrade, several limbs and my first born, and that's if I go for an 18 month contract. May have to look at something else I think. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
uk-rich Posted April 20, 2007 Share Posted April 20, 2007 its crap that they turn some of the features off Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
michael Posted April 20, 2007 Share Posted April 20, 2007 May have to look at something else I think. Just move from 02, they are a joke these days - they don't offer contracts that suit the kind of thing phones can do anymore, T-Mobile seem to be the only ones with their heads screwed on in that respect, hence me ditching 02 after 10+ years. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
carl0s Posted April 20, 2007 Share Posted April 20, 2007 Just out of interest - how do you know you're getting HSDPA? I'm curious too. I read parts of the manual, and don't remember anything specifically saying "This means you're receiving a HSDPA signal". All I ever see is 3G or GPRS. Perhaps Orange have no HSDPA infrastructure. I noticed there was no mention of HSDPA on the Orange N95 product information thingy. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Clarkey Posted April 20, 2007 Share Posted April 20, 2007 I'm curious too. I read parts of the manual, and don't remember anything specifically saying "This means you're receiving a HSDPA signal". All I ever see is 3G or GPRS. Perhaps Orange have no HSDPA infrastructure. I noticed there was no mention of HSDPA on the Orange N95 product information thingy. HSDPA - is supposed to be transparent to the user. As for the Orange bit - they don't ... yet. All they have is primarly is WCDMA for city areas and GSM EDGE for rural. You maybe suprised of the features on offer with 3G like video calls - that don't really need "WCDMA bandwidth". It's only a 64kilobit PS for the video and a standard CS TSL for the sound. EDGE can easily support that with a theoritical limit of 236kilobits on the DL based upon 4 TSLs for 1 MS. But the reason for the must have WCDMA, GSM can't do PS and CS calls simultaneously. They're maybe other reasons - can't think of them at the moment. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
bromy Posted April 20, 2007 Share Posted April 20, 2007 Basically I am not too impressed with this phone, now have two up for sale. Myself and the mrs had upgrades on vodaphone couple of weeks ago, we left one unopened and used one, within a week the speaker was knackered on the one we used and the GPS is not that good either so both will now be ebayed (vodaphone replaced the knackered one). Good job we got them for free and not the £500 they could have asked for them sim free Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
carl0s Posted April 20, 2007 Share Posted April 20, 2007 HSDPA - is supposed to be transparent to the user. As for the Orange bit - they don't ... yet. All they have is primarly is WCDMA for city areas and GSM EDGE for rural. You maybe suprised of the features on offer with 3G like video calls - that don't really need "WCDMA bandwidth". It's only a 64kilobit PS for the video and a standard CS TSL for the sound. EDGE can easily support that with a theoritical limit of 236kilobits on the DL based upon 4 TSLs for 1 MS. But the reason for the must have WCDMA, GSM can't do PS and CS calls simultaneously. They're maybe other reasons - can't think of them at the moment. Wooosh. I take it you work in mobile telecoms networking! Anyway, this raises another question.. my Sony Ericsson phones could and indeed would do 3G data and a phone call at the same time, but the Nokias don't. I could be using 3G over bluetooth on my laptop, and chat away on the phone, provided there was a 3G signal. The two S60 Nokias I've had (E-70 and N95) both place the packet data connection "on hold" when a call comes in, or is placed. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Clarkey Posted April 20, 2007 Share Posted April 20, 2007 Wooosh. I take it you work in mobile telecoms networking! Anyway, this raises another question.. my Sony Ericsson phones could and indeed would do 3G data and a phone call at the same time, but the Nokias don't. I could be using 3G over bluetooth on my laptop, and chat away on the phone, provided there was a 3G signal. The two S60 Nokias I've had (E-70 and N95) both place the packet data connection "on hold" when a call comes in, or is placed. The only thing I can think of is the Nokia's you mention are Class B mobiles. I've not seen a Class A. Did a google for it - but didn't come up. Certainly a handy feature tho! Mobile devices are further categorised by their ability to use both GPRS and GSM services. There are 3 classifications, A, B and C. Class A This class describes mobile phones that can be connected to both GPRS and GSM services simultaneously. Class B Devices in this classification can be attached to both GPRS and GSM services. They can be used on only one service at a time. A Class B mobile enables the making or receiving of a voice call, or the sending and or receiving of a SMS message during a GPRS connection. During voice calls or texting the GPRS service is suspended only to be automatically reinstated when the voice call or SMS session is complete. Class C This classification covers phones that can be attached to either GPRS or GSM services. The user needs to switch manually between the two different types. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Guest gzaerojon Posted April 20, 2007 Share Posted April 20, 2007 anyone found a use for the barcode reader yet? no idea how it works lol Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
R Black Posted April 21, 2007 Share Posted April 21, 2007 O2 are apparantly doing something equivalent to web'n'walk before the end of the month, which is what i'm holding out 4, there are supposedly no N95's in stock for online O2 at present anyways. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
francis Posted April 21, 2007 Share Posted April 21, 2007 Great phone, seems fairly stable, great features, nice camera, wireless lan works well, good as an MP3 player, haven't tried the GPS as the build in software is a bit crappy but look forward to using TomTom if they bring out a fix to use the built-in GPS. Only gripe is the battery life which is probably around a day listening to an hour or so of MP3s plus moderate use, guess that's to be expected though. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
michael Posted April 21, 2007 Share Posted April 21, 2007 haven't tried the GPS as the build in software is a bit crappy Unlock Maps for a month, it's not that bad in navigation mode - it's no TomTom but it's OK until they get their act together. For the chap with the speaker issue - sadly a known problem with a batch of them, I know 2 others with this, Nokia have replaced them already. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
DaveK Posted April 21, 2007 Share Posted April 21, 2007 Wooosh. I take it you work in mobile telecoms networking! Anyway, this raises another question.. my Sony Ericsson phones could and indeed would do 3G data and a phone call at the same time, but the Nokias don't. I could be using 3G over bluetooth on my laptop, and chat away on the phone, provided there was a 3G signal. The two S60 Nokias I've had (E-70 and N95) both place the packet data connection "on hold" when a call comes in, or is placed. Nokia's certainly can handle a data call and voice call simultaneously in 3G. However - if it's an HSDPA data call - many networks cannot (yet) do that at the same time as a voice call and they handle it in different ways. The reason that I asked Michael how he knew he was getting HSDPA is because I don't believe the N95 indicates this to the user - although later Nokia's will. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
michael Posted April 21, 2007 Share Posted April 21, 2007 The reason that I asked Michael how he knew he was getting HSDPA is because I don't believe the N95 indicates this to the user - although later Nokia's will. That's an error on my part - this is my first 3G phone - I was just impressed with the speed of the connection and internet browsing, it may well be regular 3G, I thought it might be HSDPA as it seemed so quick but now realise that it's probably just regular 3G. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Ric Posted April 21, 2007 Share Posted April 21, 2007 I have a 3g card in my laptop. when the signals alright, 2bars or more it connects at 384kbps so its quite a decent speed for wireless Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
DaveK Posted April 21, 2007 Share Posted April 21, 2007 That's an error on my part - this is my first 3G phone - I was just impressed with the speed of the connection and internet browsing, it may well be regular 3G, I thought it might be HSDPA as it seemed so quick but now realise that it's probably just regular 3G. Regular 3G is pretty quick - in a strong field you'll get 384Kb/s. HSDPA is probably less impressive than you might expect, but I don't really want to get into that. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
michael Posted April 21, 2007 Share Posted April 21, 2007 Regular 3G is pretty quick - in a strong field you'll get 384Kb/s. HSDPA is probably less impressive than you might expect, but I don't really want to get into that. I'm happy enough with what it's doing now anyway Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Clarkey Posted April 21, 2007 Share Posted April 21, 2007 Regular 3G is pretty quick - in a strong field you'll get 384Kb/s. That's a theoretical throughput isn't ? You'd have RF losses, RF reflection, interference. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
DaveK Posted April 21, 2007 Share Posted April 21, 2007 That's a theoretical throughput isn't ? You'd have RF losses, RF reflection, interference. In a strong field, it wouldn't be much less. 350kb/s is certainly achievable. And there are other factors that affect the speed of HSDPA. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
carl0s Posted April 21, 2007 Share Posted April 21, 2007 Realistically, I would get ~20 - 22KB/sec, which is about 170kbps. That's pretty good though. Faster than two bonded ISDN B channels - through a mobile phone! Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
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