What happened to the skyline thread

[dude]

Originally posted by TOKYO

Yeah I was pi55ed off the GTR thread was deleted as I had posted in that with no malice along with others. But all the same I think Dude has issues and felt the need to openly vent them. Such a shame that venting could/would cause bad feeling for the rest of you guys/gals.

 

Who the hell cares where cars form and how much they are. I never heard anyone dissing the CRD 9 sec Pod Supra from the GTR side and a GTR has never ran a 9 at the Pod.

 

Nah reality check yourselves before some of you's make total ar5es of yourselves and spoil what were great achievements at TOTB and no doubt will be in the future.

 

And Branners, was you 5hit stirring by putting that up on GTR as I can't think of any other genuine reason?

 

Glen

 

Glen what issues do you think i have ??? i may post up that your cars are slow etc but i tell you what if anyone needed help or whatever to get out and run against me at TOTB or anywhere in any make of car (taxi included) id do all i could to help and get em out , ive got no issues apart from the fact youve got a load of guys saying how great it is that a bloke called Tim is importing a car that could win TOTB4 , so what he hasnt built it specced it or done anything other than have a bussiness that enables him to purchase it , big deal. its called cheque book racing look at SUMO £140K +++ and a 10.2 wow etc etc , i think the skyline is great car, every rank should have one (joke) but it aint the all conquering vehicle people make out , id love to get £100K sponsorship to spend on the sup and see how fast it could go , it may just get under 10.2's i think .

 

Dude:flame Dev

[dude]

Originally posted by Gaz Walker

And your surprised after what he said

 

Gaz.

 

But WHAT did i say Gaz that wasnt true ????

If they dont like the facts then F**K em

 

Dude:flame Dev

[mawby]

Dude, do my a favour... get rid of those blank lines at the end of your signature! Please.

[geoffvalenti]

Originally posted by dude

ive got no issues apart from the fact youve got a load of guys saying how great it is that a bloke called Tim is importing a car that could win TOTB4 , so what he hasnt built it specced it or done anything other than have a bussiness that enables him to purchase it ,

 

This happens time and time again in the car world and as far as I'm concerned it sucks big time!

 

There's always someone with far more money than sense, that takes it upon himself to clean up in a certain year. IMO they are taking honours away from the real enthusiasts who stick with the cars through thick and thin and can't just chuck endless money at a project until it works

 

When I used to run Mopars there was always the guy who'd trailer the car to the event, pick up the prizes and then next year would be into something else (Fords, Chevys, Sheep ) It well and truly pissed us enthusiasts off then, and it still does now.

 

I'm sure it agravates some of those with Skylines that "had" a chance of being competitive as well as us Supra owners.

 

Then again if I could only win by having such an unfair advantage, I wouldn't think it would be worth winning anyway.

[dude]

Originally posted by mawby

Dude, do my a favour... get rid of those blank lines at the end of your signature! Please.

 

Blank lines !!!! how did i do that ??? the only lines i normally leave are 2 big black ones !!!

 

Dude:flame Dev

[TOKYO]

Originally posted by dude

Glen what issues do you think i have ??? i may post up that your cars are slow etc but i tell you what if anyone needed help or whatever to get out and run against me at TOTB or anywhere in any make of car (taxi included) id do all i could to help and get em out , ive got no issues apart from the fact youve got a load of guys saying how great it is that a bloke called Tim is importing a car that could win TOTB4 , so what he hasnt built it specced it or done anything other than have a bussiness that enables him to purchase it , big deal. its called cheque book racing look at SUMO £140K +++ and a 10.2 wow etc etc , i think the skyline is great car, every rank should have one (joke) but it aint the all conquering vehicle people make out , id love to get £100K sponsorship to spend on the sup and see how fast it could go , it may just get under 10.2's i think .

 

Dude:flame Dev

Dude. I believe you are talking the Top Secret 33 and you would be suprised how cheap it actually is for what it is. I think you would be best talking directly with the owner as he is buying it for it's historical value more than anything else. Bit like if the Jun Supra came up for sale at an affordable cost .

 

At the end of the day I like this site and will/would never say anything inflamatory here towards the owners or the cars you run. It's not right and would be disrespectful. I certainly would never sit in judgement of what people spend on there cars. If you really did have a point then you could have put it across a lot more sensibly than you did and as mentioned respectfully.

 

If you had a real point to make it's gone, and even worse your now making out you are having a laugh. Don't think so.

 

Glen

[GeordieSteve]

I'd like a Skyline. I prefer the Supra but it's more a styling choice coz let's face it... performance wise there aint much in it. There'll always be competition... let's keep it friendly eh? Leave the bitching to the Saxo Vs Corsa forums

[TOKYO]

Originally posted by GeordieSteve

I'd like a Skyline. I prefer the Supra but it's more a styling choice coz let's face it... performance wise there aint much in it. There'll always be competition... let's keep it friendly eh?

I'd like a Supra , and it is friendly, for 99.9% of people .

 

Whats up Dud, you realised now the costs/input involved to run a high 9, is that it? You gone as far as you can go without chucking loads of dough at it? Like someone said on GTR, cheap unfortunately never won a race .

 

And by the way, what does the accident I had whilst passengering with MartinF have to do with anything. Way over my head as well as a few others?

 

Glen

[tbourner]

I have to say having finally read bits of this thread (couldn't be arsed reading all of it - I got the idea), that I agree with the mods - whoever they may be.

 

All mod comments and replies I've read are exactly what I got a while back on theMGZR site, I was constantly getting flamed afterwards for everything I did, people saying I was a 'nazi' and just running the forum as I wanted cos I was 'power hungry', but they couldn't see all the conversations in the mod forum between me and the site admin, we decided as a group what should be deleted etc.

 

 

 

It's cleared up now but there are still about 4 people who don't talk to me (in a forum sense) and still make the odd comment about me.

 

Pissed me off because the slating of my moderating was done in the open forum and although all the mods tried to stop it there was no way we could firefight enough.

 

If the abuse had been PM'd to me or site admin, and sorted out privately as is stated in the r&r I wouldn't have minded.

 

 

 

 

 

 

Anyway that's this thread, I have no idea really what happened before and if the deleted stuff should've been deleted or not but that's the mods decision...... isn't it?

[Guest Terry S]

Originally posted by TOKYO

I'd like a Supra , and it is friendly, for 99.9% of people .

 

Whats up Dud, you realised now the costs/input involved to run a high 9, is that it? You gone as far as you can go without chucking loads of dough at it? Like someone said on GTR, cheap unfortunately never won a race .

 

And by the way, what does the accident I had whilst passengering with MartinF have to do with anything. Way over my head as well as a few others?

 

Glen

 

Can we leave it now guys. Getting too personal and TBH there is no need for it. Glen we always enjoyed your banter in the past and took it as good natured as did you.

[dude]

Originally posted by TOKYO

I'd like a Supra , and it is friendly, for 99.9% of people .

 

Whats up Dud, you realised now the costs/input involved to run a high 9, is that it? You gone as far as you can go without chucking loads of dough at it? Like someone said on GTR, cheap unfortunately never won a race .

 

And by the way, what does the accident I had whilst passengering with MartinF have to do with anything. Way over my head as well as a few others?

 

Glen

 

What races/ events have you ever won then glen ????, we'll see about 9's at the Jap performance show at the the pod , at least i can say ive raced and beat some big name cars (CRD , RC Developments , Fensport, GT Art ) unlike yourself who trys to come over and make it personal , my car is more than capable of running 9's thank you , in fact it never occured to me that it wouldnt /wont i suppose that goal is so unobtainable for a skyline it doesnt enter your heads that it can be done without going over the £100K mark , and as for high 9's theres another losers way of thinking i was thinking low 9's would be nice !!! Why have you picked the high 9 figure glenn as the only skyline ever to have run it was an imported drag car from Japan that was in no way shape or form a road car. We all know that your good friends with Martin and what he thinks of me so i would imagine that he using you as a glove puppet to come over here and try and be clever , still youve been making snide comments for years in the name of 'humour' looks like you cant take what you give out unlike most of your mates on the GTR board who DO actually realise its only a bit of banter , missed you on there last night , were the ranks busy ???

 

Dude:flame Dev

[Keith C]

Usually I'd close this now, but I think I'll leave it open...

[michael]

Originally posted by tbourner

I have to say having finally read bits of this thread (couldn't be arsed reading all of it - I got the idea), that I agree with the mods - whoever they may be.

 

Try reading the whole thread, maybe you missed some important points?

 

(Maybe you didn't)

 

Edit to add smiley as post wasn't serious and I don't want anyone getting in a strop

[michael]

Originally posted by TOKYO

Top Secret 33 and you would be suprised how cheap it actually is for what it is

 

Isn't he getting it for something crazy like £35k?

 

Seems an absolute bargain if that's true!

 

 

(As original thread was started to discuss this car in more detail I hope it's not considered rude to adopt this one for the cause now?)

[lust2luv]

Can't we all just get along!!! :hug: :hug:

 

[Matt Harwood]

Originally posted by lust2luv

Can't we all just get along!!! :hug: :hug:

 

 

Well said

 

The only way you could have said that better, would have been to highlight the 'we'.

[Roy]

Originally posted by Ian C

Oooh, I actually meant, "how many threads do you perceive we've removed in the last year", not the more nebulous "how many threads have we overmodded".

 

Not sure what to make of your second paragraph. Here is me, trying to get all the facts and viewpoints together before spouting forth and now that's the wrong thing to do?! Play fair It's no great experiment, simply if people's perceptions are that we've murdered x threads and it's too much, and we have in fact murdered x threads or even more than that, then we have to consider we are sticking the knife in too much too early. If you think we've done y threads and that's more than we have done then the perception is we are overmoderating when in fact we aren't, so there is something up with the perception and that's what needs to be addressed. However, if I blart out our figures first, the whole thing is up the swannee as people's perceptions will immediatly be changed by knowing the actual amounts. So bear with me. You may be suprised one way or the other with the actual amounts compared to your perceptions. This isn't just you btw, I'm asking anyone - Scooter, Mcanny, Stealth, anyone else who isn't a moderator. I'm actually trying to move forward with this rather than have another 'nazi moderator' bitch thread...

 

-Ian

 

ian - thank you for your reply. i take your point about the perception vs reality issue as far as answering the question if the mods have indeed been 'ham-fisted' in their judgement. if indeed the numbers do bear out your point then all well and good as that is what i was hoping to achieve as well.

 

however, this does not address the more specific issue of when a mod should step in. as esoteric a question like this makes a quantifiable answer difficult i'll grant you but nonetheless, does require consideration.

 

if we accept the premise that we are not children (well, save a few that is ..) then removing threads/posts will be seen by the liberal public as censorship which i am sure you will agree is a dirty word. nobody wants to be told what/when/how to do things and i only question the need for mods to step in (in certain cases) to begin with and then to what extent ?

 

some people have no problems with the actions so far and yet others are just asking questions. i do not doubt that the work the mods do is thankless and time-consuming and have been happy with the majority. i just hope that this question does not affect their commitment to do their best as this is an academic question at best.

 

i sincerely hope that this does not degenerate beyond this discussion stage as that was not my intention. i welcome all your input on this.

 

edited to add that i won't be necessarily adding to this thread anymore as all the necessary questions have been asked and some of them answered. a quick thanks to ian, keith and mawby for being open to discussion.

[TOKYO]

Well Dude you seem to have some underlying issues with me that are totally unfounded/uncalled for.

 

You are quoting things that bear absolutely no relevance to the thread that you started and are putting words into my mouth for some reason which I don't understand. And as for this 'I am coming over and making it personal', wtf are you on about. Nowhere have I personally stuck it on you or put down your achievements/goals. Read my posts.

 

Oh and please don't use me in your what appears to be personal vendetta towards MartinF. I hear what went on sometime ago but have no judgement based on right or wrong. And to insinuate that I am a glove puppet for Martin is actually taking the pi55 and a put down.

 

And how on earth does how many races have I won come into it? You are totally confusing and pointless.

 

Glen

[Lewis]

Guys, this is going well beyond the scope of the original thread.

 

As Keith said, it would normally be closed already (although I think this would heat the situation further), even I am getting bored of the argument now (and most know that I love a good argument).

 

Discuss it in PM if you have personal issues with each other.

[Steve W2]

Originally posted by Roy

ian - thank you for your reply. i take your point about the perception vs reality issue as far as answering the question if the mods have indeed been 'ham-fisted' in their judgement. if indeed the numbers do bear out your point then all well and good as that is what i was hoping to achieve as well.

 

however, this does not address the more specific issue of when a mod should step in. as esoteric a question like this makes a quantifiable answer difficult i'll grant you but nonetheless, does require consideration.

 

if we accept the premise that we are not children (well, save a few that is ..) then removing threads/posts will be seen by the liberal public as censorship which i am sure you will agree is a dirty word. nobody wants to be told what/when/how to do things and i only question the need for mods to step in (in certain cases) to begin with and then to what extent ?

 

some people have no problems with the actions so far and yet others are just asking questions. i do not doubt that the work the mods do is thankless and time-consuming and have been happy with the majority. i just hope that this question does not affect their commitment to do their best as this is an academic question at best.

 

i sincerely hope that this does not degenerate beyond this discussion stage as that was not my intention. i welcome all your input on this.

 

edited to add that i won't be necessarily adding to this thread anymore as all the necessary questions have been asked and some of them answered. a quick thanks to ian, keith and mawby for being open to discussion.

 

Didn't you and everyone else agree to abide the rules and regs of the forum. This includes moderation of threads, if you like it or not?

[mawby]

Originally posted by stealthhosts

Discuss it in PM if you have personal issues with each other.

Oh how many times have I said that, but it never happens. Your post about Keith should prove that, you might have 'removed' it but not before some of us read it.

[Roy]

Originally posted by Steve W2

Didn't you and everyone else agree to abide the rules and regs of the forum. This includes moderation of threads, if you like it or not?

 

yes i did. does this however mean that they cannot be re-considered ? i am sure that open and considered discussion cannot be a bad thing or even frowned upon ?

[Lewis]

Originally posted by mawby

Oh how many times have I said that, but it never happens. Your post about Keith should prove that, you might have 'removed' it but not before some of us read it.

 

I removed it for exactly that reason. I didn't think it was fair to leave it there in the public domain when it was only my opinion.

 

Don't attempt to turn it round onto me when I am not arguing with anyone!

[mawby]

Originally posted by stealthhosts

I removed it for exactly that reason. I didn't think it was fair to leave it there in the public domain when it was only my opinion.

 

Don't attempt to turn it round onto me when I am not arguing with anyone!

I wasn't, what I was simply pointing out is that you have quite rightly said that these matters should be discussed via PM, yet in the heat of the moment you didn't follow your own advice. Now unlike most, after the fact you reconsidered and removed the post which is fair enough, but a lot of people wouldn't have. So, in those situations should I as a mod have removed that post? Or tried to edit it? Or, as you were agreeing with earlier, leave it alone for it to run it's course?

 

Simple answer is, there is no simple answer. We have a set of guidelines, we don't adhere to them 100% because if we did this place would be shite. Nevertheless, when something like this does come up and we (as in a mod) makes a decision to act upon it, it would be nice if people just accepted it and got on with the good bits of the forum. We (at least I) really don't want to fomalise rules and then have to stick to them, that's just like zero tollerence with speeding - completely shite. As it stands us mods try to use our judgement as to what to do, knowing that if there is any come back then we always have the rules which you agreed to to fall back on. I must have said this a hundred times before, if someone doesn't agree with what a mod did then PM them. If you get what you consider is a snoty reply, then contact another mod. We are here to try and turn this forum into a successful club and we will always listen if people have suggestions or problems.

[TOKYO]

Originally posted by stealthhosts

Don't attempt to turn it round onto me when I am not arguing with anyone!

I know how you feel.

 

I have no issues with Dude or underlying problems yet am being subjected to an unprovoked personal attack. Don't want anyone to feel sorry for me , just wanted to put that bit across which I felt was missing from my last post.

 

I have always supported the Supras and have always wanted them to do well. It's been great this year seeing you guys in the 9's and putting up a very strong showing at TOTB. It's sad (and annoying) when I'm being made out to be something I'm not, and doing things I'm not actually doing.

 

Well I'm not going to explain myself anymore, I really don't need to. Just cut the head off this thread and get back to normality. Whatever that is :D .

 

Glen