mawby Posted August 17, 2004 Share Posted August 17, 2004 Could do, but the problem is there's a wide range of people on this forum from many different backgrounds. Getting everyone to agree would be pretty difficult. Then take into account that peoples opinions change when it's about them, stealthhosts statement " in heinsight after I cooled down I could see his point about the posts in the thread that was closed" is a good example. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Faye Posted August 17, 2004 Share Posted August 17, 2004 I know this may look as though I have a vested interest in standing up for Keith, but to be perfectly honest this whole thing is a joke and its so ******* boring hearing how you all feel hard done by. I've had some of my posts removed recently it happens to us all. Grow up. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Scooter Posted August 17, 2004 Share Posted August 17, 2004 what i'm not sure on with these closed/deleted threads is what i'm or anyone else is being 'saved from'? maybe i'm missing something and there can be dire consequences from these heated discussions.............. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Roy Posted August 17, 2004 Share Posted August 17, 2004 mawby - your point is taken with due respect (can't please all of the people all of the time etc). people may reflect differently after the 'heated' part of the discussion is over but i think most would agree that the ability to air one's view's without censorship is important ? i also acknowledge the caveat that some consideration needs to be used prior to posting views. faye - i take your point about having had posts deleted in the past but i must ask if we should blindly accept this to be the norm ? surely as scooter says, we are all adults and that we can make up our own minds as to what is acceptable ? i don't think anyone is going to point fingers about you standing up for keith at all - we are very aware that you have your own thoughts on this matter and therein lies the crux of the matter - i just think others are doing the same .... scooter - good post ...... i am not trying to be combative but constructive in deeming what extent mods should have to step in or not. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Faye Posted August 17, 2004 Share Posted August 17, 2004 Originally posted by Roy i don't think anyone is going to point fingers about you standing up for keith at all - we are very aware that you have your own thoughts on this matter and therein lies the crux of the matter - i just think others are doing the same .... Not so sure about that mate!!! I agree that there seems to be vastly different styles to moderation. Keith is quite harsh, I've sat there and said he went OTT on one occasion, however there is a distinct case of undermoderation too. Bringing up a recent thread with Paul Laing, in my opinion should have been closed a long time before it finally came to a close. People were just getting plain nasty and it was all directed at one person, it wasn't funny at all and I'm pretty sure Paul didn't think it was either. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
mawby Posted August 17, 2004 Share Posted August 17, 2004 There lies the problem. If we spot something early and stop it before it gets nasty, people complain about over moderation. If we leave it so it does get nasty and everyone can see it then the people involved take offence and we are then claimed to be under moderating. You can't win, so unless it's really over or under moderated, can't people just live with it? Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Bobbeh Posted August 17, 2004 Share Posted August 17, 2004 AT the end of the day, what was that thread gonna solve.. it was gonna do nothing but turn into a slanging match. (hence the use of my popcorn munching smiley. Personally I would have just stripped out the useless posts and left the half decent ones in there. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Roy Posted August 17, 2004 Share Posted August 17, 2004 faye - while it may possibly be that 'under-moderation exists', i think that the opposite tends to happen more often (unless i am mistaken) and this has caused a few questions to be raised ... hence the interest in this thread it isn't the actual content of the thread that is in question here - i believe it to be more an issue of perceived censorship ... i think the mods on here do fairly well in what must be a difficult situation but maybe a bit less chopping at the initial stage maybe be worth considering ? or maybe lock (not remove) the thread after pruning out the undesirable (offensive) bits ... ?? edited ... Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
michael Posted August 17, 2004 Share Posted August 17, 2004 I see it this way: We had a thread that anyone interested in was able to view and add input on. Those people too timid to accept the content or with no interest in it could move onto the next one. Nobody who was 'under attack' seems to have been concerned with the content (I doubt Dude used the "Report this post..." button when someone called him a dirty name?) and only people who has zero input appear to be the ones making the choices for the rest of us who would have liked to have seen the thread run it's course. Or maybe it got deleted before I saw something that prompted all this? Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Ian C Posted August 17, 2004 Share Posted August 17, 2004 Originally posted by Roy faye - while it may possibly be that 'under-moderation exists', i think that the opposite tends to happen more often (unless i am mistaken) and this has caused a few questions to be raised ... hence the interest in this thread You tell me how many, not including driveby car sales posts and trader arguments, threads you think the moderators have removed in the past 12 months. I'm interested in the public perception of this. -Ian Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Roy Posted August 17, 2004 Share Posted August 17, 2004 Ian - i would not profess to know exact numbers (no access to this kind of info obviously) but it would seem to me that over-moderation has been more of an issue than under-moderation ? IIRC - more people have in the past asked about degrees of moderation needed than to censure mods for not having done their jobs enough ? i assume that you the relevant info available to you - if so, why don't you post it up. i am sure you will be able to correct the detractors that way ? if i am incorrect in this assumption, then pls accept my acknowledgement of a genuine mistake made. this however does not change the fact that the question of moderation is a topic that many people have an opinion on and hence worth discussing. to what extent should mods interfere with the progress of a particular thread i believe is the salient issue .... Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
mawby Posted August 17, 2004 Share Posted August 17, 2004 I'm going to use this one again. Click the "Register" button up top, then look for the paragraph that starts "We reserve the right to". Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Soonto_HAS_soop Posted August 17, 2004 Share Posted August 17, 2004 Originally posted by Ian C You tell me how many, not including driveby car sales posts and trader arguments, threads you think the moderators have removed in the past 12 months. I'm interested in the public perception of this. -Ian I'd be interested in the total number of posts deleted, not threads. Personally it seems to me that a lot more people use this forum than when I first joined it, and back then you tended to get a "Warning" post from the moderators before a thread or post got deleted. Now, with the larger number of people using the board, it seems (my perception) that the moderators tend to just delete. How many threads have arisen from peoples threads being deleted. Maybe if the moderators delete a thread, a PM should go to the original poster explaining why it has been deleted. In summary, play nice people! Ben.. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Keith C Posted August 17, 2004 Share Posted August 17, 2004 I closed the thread initially, and all and sundry would have been able to see why. But then the thread on the GTR board disappeared, so in the interests of fair play I removed the one over here too. I will close threads when experience tells me when it's going downhill. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Ian C Posted August 17, 2004 Share Posted August 17, 2004 Originally posted by Soonto"HAS"soop I'd be interested in the total number of posts deleted, not threads. Well, I'd take that up with Mcanny, as he wants posts deleted rather than threads. We can't do both, so I ask those who know better than us to supply a silver bullet to this dilemma please Can you now get a feel of the impossibility of pleasing everyone? And to be syntactically correct, we don't delete posts, we move them to a 'moderated' section. -Ian Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Ian C Posted August 17, 2004 Share Posted August 17, 2004 Originally posted by Roy Ian - i would not profess to know exact numbers (no access to this kind of info obviously) but it would seem to me that over-moderation has been more of an issue than under-moderation ? IIRC - more people have in the past asked about degrees of moderation needed than to censure mods for not having done their jobs enough ? i assume that you the relevant info available to you - if so, why don't you post it up. i am sure you will be able to correct the detractors that way ? I'm not posting up the figures until I get an idea of what people's perception is. C'mon, ballpark figure. Anyone else can join in. If you think over-moderating is going on, you've gotta be thinking something like "this is like the 50th thread they have binned without consultation"... I've got a theory over this whole issue but until I can get an idea of what everyone else thinks (and I do believe this approach is what you folks are after so bear with me!) I'm saying nowt. -Ian Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Scooter Posted August 17, 2004 Share Posted August 17, 2004 i still have yet to be convinced there is any real problem if in anyone's view a thread starts going downhill....... .........what do these threads ultimately result in thats so bad they need to be stopped? As Roy says i do not believe under-moderating is a problem, is it? Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Faye Posted August 17, 2004 Share Posted August 17, 2004 I think the moderation is about right IMO and think you chaps do a good job. What I find interesting is that the moderated threads always have the same people involved, now is that a mod or a member issue :flame Dev Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Keith C Posted August 17, 2004 Share Posted August 17, 2004 Originally posted by Scooter .........what do these threads ultimately result in thats so bad they need to be stopped? Bad feeling between cars clubs, the subsequent non-sharing of information, the aggressive oneupmanship that results. Just to name a couple of aspects. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Roy Posted August 17, 2004 Share Posted August 17, 2004 Ian, just my uneducated wild guess between 3-5 over vs every 1 (maybe!) that is under modded ? how's that for a ball-park figure ? BTW - what great socio/psychological experiment are you hoping to embark upon by keeping mum till people speculate ? just curious as to your view on effifacy (sp.) regarding this ? Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
michael Posted August 17, 2004 Share Posted August 17, 2004 Originally posted by Ian C Well, I'd take that up with Mcanny, as he wants posts deleted rather than threads. We can't do both, so I ask those who know better than us to supply a silver bullet to this dilemma please Can you now get a feel of the impossibility of pleasing everyone? And to be syntactically correct, we don't delete posts, we move them to a 'moderated' section. -Ian Why take it up with me? I simply stated that a more acceptable approach on that thread would have been to trim out any undesirable aspects and put a small message up to state the reasons for moderation rather than a deletion of the entire thread - it's been done in the past, why is it an issue now? Had the thread started with "Skyline owners are a bunch of *****'s and they smell of wee" then yeah delete it all but it was a genuine chit chat style thread which might have been of interest to some given it's content. Why all of a sudden can't some threads be edited and some deleted? And why does it always have to get nasty when this issue is raised? You have a few members asking questions and suddenly a gang of mods appears to shoot you down until you are quiet. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
mawby Posted August 17, 2004 Share Posted August 17, 2004 Originally posted by mcanny And why does it always have to get nasty when this issue is raised? You have a few members asking questions and suddenly a gang of mods appears to shoot you down until you are quiet. Excuse me! I've been sat here for the last few hours trying to answer everyones questions as best I can. If that's your attitude then I wont bother anymore. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Keith C Posted August 17, 2004 Share Posted August 17, 2004 Originally posted by mcanny it was a genuine chit chat style thread which might have been of interest to some given it's content. "Might" have. To "some". Not "would" to "most", but "might" to "some". That's the crux. The moderators are here to serve the majority that want an informative, useful BBS where they can find out what to do, where to do it and who else they can meet. They don't want a vitriolic flame-fest of insults and aggression. They want a peaceful life with a bit of fun. Originally posted by mcanny Why all of a sudden can't some threads be edited and some deleted? Time. Closing/moving a thread takes seconds, whereas I've spent an hour editing/tidying a thread before now. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Scooter Posted August 17, 2004 Share Posted August 17, 2004 Originally posted by mawby Excuse me! I've been sat here for the last few hours trying to answer everyones questions as best I can. and ended up by posting the following "I'm going to use this one again. Click the "Register" button up top, then look for the paragraph that starts "We reserve the right to" Which says to me 'we can do as we please' Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Guest Terry S Posted August 17, 2004 Share Posted August 17, 2004 Guys you really must understand that the moderators were selected and appointed to protect the well being of the BBS. You may not always agree with them but they are only doing what they believe is best for the BBS. It is a thankless task believe me. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
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