Justin Posted January 24, 2005 Share Posted January 24, 2005 I think my pump is about to fail very soon as there is an aweful noise and vibration coming from where it is mounted. I'll let you know what happens. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
dangerous brain Posted January 24, 2005 Share Posted January 24, 2005 Thats what mine is doing awfull noise and vibration will have to dig out my paperwork and see when it was purchased and from where. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
dangerous brain Posted January 25, 2005 Share Posted January 25, 2005 I fitted the ERL system 4 years ago, 3 pumps have quit but always replaced by ERL with no quibble. Last one fitted about a year ago and still going strong. I use a mix of 70% methanol to 30% filtered water which seems to work well. Set it for >1BAR for best results, I found that below this it is a little overkill and can cause missfire on colder plugs. You got any details on who to speak to about this ERL pump replacement as my pump is vibrating so bad you can hear it over the engine, also feels like its trying to vibrate the front bumper and lights off. Mines mounted in between the intercooler and the radiator just under the shiny intercooler blanking plate. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Whitelightning Posted January 25, 2005 Share Posted January 25, 2005 WI - good enough for German Fighter planes - good enough for me Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Matt Harwood Posted January 25, 2005 Share Posted January 25, 2005 WI - good enough for German Fighter planes - good enough for me Germans? - Oh yeah, they were the ones that lost despite having the greater numbers Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Whitelightning Posted January 26, 2005 Share Posted January 26, 2005 Germans? - Oh yeah, they were the ones that lost despite having the greater numbers 1. Ref war and your assumption of German "Greater numbers" - You obviously dont do history. Here, have some history . . . http://web.jjay.cuny.edu/~jobrien/reference/ob62.html 2. The germans (amoungst others) utilised WI early: - Have a snippet of more history . . . The essential idea was developed in the first decade of the last century. The original purpose was enhanced cooling. By 1910 some engines which had been water-cooled were simply produced without water-jackets after addition of 'internal cooling', as water-injection was first called. Those engines had compression ratios around 4:1 and the phenomenon of pre ignition (knocking, pinking) was unknown. Later however this became the main reason for water injection which turns out to give spectacular octane improvement, allowing CR as high as 13:1. By the end of World War II many aero engines used water-injection. German versions used water-methanol mixtures, partly because straight water would freeze in winter. 3. And, lastly, I'd like to finish on a quoate from a German Ex-Girlfriend: "yes we lost - but it took the whole fekking world to stop us !" Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Matt Harwood Posted January 26, 2005 Share Posted January 26, 2005 LOL, maybe they lost the Battle of Britain because their WI pumps failed! Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Whitelightning Posted January 26, 2005 Share Posted January 26, 2005 I think when the rather fat Herman Goerring head of the Luftwaffe was asked what he needed from Hitler [to win the battle of Britain], he said Spitfires. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
SKI Posted January 26, 2005 Share Posted January 26, 2005 Can the stock headlight washers on the UK spec be modified to provide an aquamist type system.... Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Whitelightning Posted January 26, 2005 Share Posted January 26, 2005 Doubtful. Pump isnt that powerful. You really don't want those washers do you ! Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Chris Wilson Posted January 27, 2005 Share Posted January 27, 2005 You are confusing intercooler water spray with proper water INJECTION systems. See my article below: Water injection serves 2 closely related functions on a turbo engined car. Firstly it cools the charge air temperature by utilising an effect known as the latent heat of evaporation. This property can be self demonstrated very easily. If you pour something that evaporates quickly like petrol on your hand it feels very cold. This is the rapidly vaporising spirit removing heat from your skin and bloodstream by the aforementioned process. By spraying a very finely atomised mist of water into the inlet of a turbo engine when under boost conditions the evaporation of the water into steam causes a temperature reduction in the air and fuel intake charge. A cold charge is less likely to be subject to detonation than a hot charge. A cool charge is also denser, able to carry more air and fuel mix per unit of volume. These 2 properties of water injection allow either less chance of detonation at a given boost, maybe allowing lower octane fuel to be used, or to allow a rise in boost pressure usage without detonation. These are very desirable goals for any modifier of a turbo engine, or one using an engine mapped to run on a higher octane fuel than generally available in the UK. Japanese import turbo cars for example. People ask whether squirting water into an engine causes corrosion. In fact this is not a problem, the combustion temperatures under boost ensure the water is turned instantly to steam and is ejected out of the exhaust. The water mist is injected only when high boost is sensed via a supplied pressure sensor switch. The basic combustion process of hydrocarbon fuels causes LOTS of water to be generated anyway, which is why cars not driven on regular long journeys will rust out a mild steel exhaust system from the INSIDE out. If water is added in the correct volume, via the supplied, calibrated jets, this is not a problem. Even when used alongside a larger or more efficient intercooler, or indeed when an intercooler is used in an application where one was not present as standard, water injection can and does increase charge cooling still further. Water can be stored either in the existing windscreen washer bottle or in a separate, dedicated, container. In cold conditions it is essential to add an anti freeze additive to the water to stop pump damage through freezing. Windscreen washer additive serves this purpose fine and the engine won't mind ingesting this solution at all. Or you can add neat methanol, which is usually the anti freeze additive in washer fluid anyway. Using a 50 / 50 percent by volume water / methanol mix will actually help increase the octane of the intake charge, as an added benefit. As a yet further advantage the latent heat of evaporation of methanol is extremely high. A win / win situation. It is not however obligatory to use methanol as an additive. All components of the water injection kit that are in contact with the fluid are stainless steel or able to tolerate water and methanol or screen washer additive without degradation. A properly set up system does not use a vast amount of water, in fact a modern car sized screen washer bottle used also for the water injection reservoir will suffice admirably. A water filter is included to keep any sludge out of the pump or jet. This should be checked regularly for contamination and blown out if residue is apparent within. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
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